[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '
')We need to start aborting and sterilizing asap.

[holmes]

Energy limp wristed is in the house! hahahaha! I find you rather amusing. {threat of illegal act deleted - TheTurtle}.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')flame

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')elll...if the problem is that too few people take the offer, maybe the reward should be sweeter. How about "Get a vasectomy, get out of the draft."?

[Ludi]

the reason vasectomies are suggested isn't any kind of discrimination against men, it's that vasectomies are simpler (cheaper, faster, safer)surgery than tubals.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'O')ne fertile child per family.

First female untouched. Everyone after that sterilized.



Edit: sorry sterilized not serialized. That comes later...

[whiteknight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') don't think I have ever weighed in on abortion before on this forum and I am reluctant to now but...

I am against both of these things

1) destroying human life 2) destroying human liberty

And I think that the paradox of the abortion issue is that we seem not to be able to have a protection of both life and liberty. It seems to arise from the intersection of rights.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whiteknight', '
')Why do the "rights" of a lump of cells matter? Do you worry about the "rights" of your toenails when you get a pedicure? Do you worry about the "rights" of your hair when you get a haircut?

What about the rights of the people who will be victimized by that child born into poverty? Why do you ignore them in favor of a lump of cells that someday will rob, rape and murder innocent people? What about their liberty?

[EnergyUnlimited]

Here you have a non-barbaric proposal, how to encourage really vast numbers of peoples worlwide to undergo completely voluntary sterilisations:

Any woman aged below 40 or any man aged below 60, who would agree to undergo sterilization, would have his/her credit card bill erased with no other consequences whatsoever

Third World would not be a problem either.
$50 or $100 credit limit cards could be issued there to anyone not sterilized yet and of qualifying age, who applies, with no questions asked.

World Bank or other appropriate finnancial institution would supervise entire project.

Poor countries would be easy convinced to participate in the project.
Their national debt (or at least large proportion of it) would be erased in exchange for participation.

Here you have a simple idea, how to achieve Earth wide prosperity for long, long time.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Any woman aged below 40 or any man aged below 60, who would agree to undergo sterilization, would have his/her credit card bill erased with no other consequences whatsoever.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Any woman aged below 40 or any man aged below 60, who would agree to undergo sterilization, would have his/her credit card bill erased with no other consequences whatsoever.

[RonMN]

I have a question to all Pro-Abortionists out there (and 1 question only). We all began life as a fetus (which is latin for "little one")...I don't believe there can be any debate on this fact.
If we all began as a fetus...then if any of us were aborted...we would not be alive right now.

Thus...how is abortion NOT murder? Is it...You are only a "life" once you've developed the physical power to defend yourself & emerge victorious?

OOOH MY! Jack may have a field day with the responses to this one Please...tell me about a womans RIGHT to murder the defenseless for the fourth time, so she can have sex next weekend with multiple partners...I'm listening...

[HEADER_RACK]

This thread serves only one purpose and that is to create an argument. An argument that has been argued by both sides to exshaustive ends with neither side swaying the other.
I would hope with the problems looming before human kind you could have found something better to discuss. Unless your only point is to pick a fight because thats all this will do.
Instead of finding topics to pull people apart why not find something that brings people more together?

[dukey]

i suppose u can technically call abortion murder

But what if a woman has been raped and ends up pregnant as a result ? What if a woman doesn't live in a stable enviroment where she can raise a child ? Does anyone remember being alive or conscious when they are inside their mothers ? I don't think so.

Heres a question for you. What if someone killed your baby ? What if baby killing were government policy ? Heres a thought, women who take flu shots whilst pregnant, a lot of the time it kills the child.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Thimerosal has been shown to cause abortions in every animal study it was used in. There are reports of abortions after the flu vaccine in the CDC's own database, including 5 from North Carolina in 2005, all in the same week, in shared vaccine lots ...this is what epidemiologists call a temporal and geographical cluster...in other words, a for certain association. Try reading a flu vaccine insert....they all say that it has never been tested in pregnancy and not known if it can cause birth defects and reproductive harm. Add the fact that thimerosal and flu vaccine were both associated with birth defects when given to pregnant women from data in the 1970's would suggest that this is an insane policy.

[RonMN]

dukey wrote:
But what if a woman has been raped and ends up pregnant as a result ? What if a woman doesn't live in a stable enviroment where she can raise a child ?

That says i should have the RIGHT to stick my forcefull knee into a pregnant womans mid-section (something I would never do) and she lose her baby, and I get off with a simple assault charge.

No loss of life (because the fetus isn't a life)...nothing more than simple assault.

Is that ok with you?

And what if she was raped? what did the baby do to deserve capitol punishment?

[dukey]

im not arguing abortion is killing. It's not something i especially like.
but if it becomes illegal
You are gonna get woman trying to abort themselves ! And that would be a bit of a catratrophe.

[RonMN]

Please understand...If i were CEASAR...I would NOT outlaw abortions (simply because that law would take more life than it would save)...

But...I don't see any viable argument comming from the pro-abortionists that make me believe this is not cold blooded murder.

Please...prove me wrong!

[dukey]

im not really 'pro' abortion. It's not something i really dwell on. I don't have a uterus. I think there are far more pressing things to be concerned with.

ie the war
half a million dead, 2 countries destroyed
etc

The possibility of war with Iran.

[RonMN]

A meer half a million dead?

How many abortions have been performed in the past 4 years?

How many hundreds of billions?

(no holicaust here...nothing to look at people...keep walking...look away...).