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Re: I love fox news

Postby Miki » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 19:45:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prof Joel Beinin', 'C')onsequently, students and faculty did not understand what was at stake in the fight against terrorism and were undermining the defence of civilization by asking too many questions


I love it, students at university were asking too many questions.

Pol Pot would be proud.


Oh that's nothing. Did you check Horrowitz' book on Dangerous Professors? One of the professors mentioned was almost fired for telling his students that he thought 9/11 was a invention of the Bush administration! Another talked about a class where "students" were sent to spy on him.

The 101 Most Dangerous Academics

Not surprisingly, Israel also has advocates for these "monitoring" mechanisms on education:


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Re: I love fox news

Postby rogerhb » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 20:32:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')lick to view the list of 358 Israeli academics who are working to destroy Israel! ...

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Re: I love fox news

Postby CrudeAwakening » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 04:51:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prof Joel Beinin', 'C')onsequently, students and faculty did not understand what was at stake in the fight against terrorism and were undermining the defence of civilization by asking too many questions


I love it, students at university were asking too many questions.

Pol Pot would be proud.

"..defence of civilization". That's rich.

Sooner or later, freedom of thought becomes intolerable..

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry http://www.secularhumanism.org/fi/
Spring 2003; 5-11-03

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to (sic) media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


Pretty much sums up a certain country that consider itself the bastion of freedom...
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Re: I love fox news

Postby Miki » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 06:05:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', 'T')he 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry http://www.secularhumanism.org/fi/
Spring 2003; 5-11-03

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:


Wow. It's a perfect fit with the current US administration. Much more than I personally was aware of. And Bush talks about the Islamist Fascists. Projection at its best: by showing "them" as the Fascists he distracts American attention from his own Fascism, and justifies his violation of basic human rights in the name of "national security". I bet Hitler brainwashed the Germans with a similar story to be able to gas all the Jews with their utmost approval.
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Re: I love fox news

Postby Lighthouse » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 07:54:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')Quis Custodiet Ipso Custodes?


Aren't we people supposed to do this? But we don't because we are well fed well housed and have Australian Idol and the OC to watch ...
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Re: I love fox news

Postby rogerhb » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 08:03:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')Quis Custodiet Ipso Custodes?


Aren't we people supposed to do this? But we don't because we are well fed well housed and have Australian Idol and the OC to watch ...


But like voting and jury service it was too much effort so we delegated the task to Rupert[sup]1[/sup].

[sup]1[/sup]Murdoch.
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Re: I love fox news

Postby Lighthouse » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 08:08:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'W')ow. It's a perfect fit with the current US administration. Much more than I personally was aware of. And Bush talks about the Islamist Fascists. Projection at its best: by showing "them" as the Fascists he distracts American attention from his own Fascism, and justifies his violation of basic human rights in the name of "national security". I bet Hitler brainwashed the Germans with a similar story to be able to gas all the Jews with their utmost approval.


Yes Miki, that's a bet you will win. You hit the nail on the head.

Are you still thinking Gerd Gaiser was wrong with the idea of the responsibility of each individual for the action of a nation?
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Re: I love fox news

Postby rwwff » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 08:16:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'W')ow. It's a perfect fit with the current US administration. Much more than I personally was aware of. And Bush talks about the Islamist Fascists. Projection at its best: by showing "them" as the Fascists he distracts American attention from his own Fascism, and justifies his violation of basic human rights in the name of "national security". I bet Hitler brainwashed the Germans with a similar story to be able to gas all the Jews with their utmost approval.


I know most people want to find a way to blame someone other than the people, for the decisions of the people; but there is a tendency in people to prefer security and order over freedom; as long as it is mostly other people's freedoms that are getting scrunched.

Both parties are guilty of this, though they typically go after different sets of freedoms.
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Re: I love fox news

Postby Lighthouse » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 08:18:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'B')ut like voting and jury service it was too much effort so we delegated the task to Rupert[sup]1[/sup].

[sup]1[/sup]Murdoch.


You mean Knecht Rupert?

But for many children, Nikolaus also elicited fear, as he was often accompanied by Knecht Ruprecht, who would threaten to beat, or sometimes actually eat the children for misbehaviour. Knecht Rupert furthermore was equipped with goatlegs.
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Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby dukey » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 11:18:13

i was just doing a random google search .. and came up with this. Kinda interesting perhaps

Fox News:
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

MSNCB
CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313
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Re: Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby TITAN » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 12:55:34

It is already well known, to anyone with a brain, that FAUX 'news' is just an outlet for neocon propaganda.

It is encouraging to see that their ratings and viewership is steadily dropping...
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Re: Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby emailking » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 14:02:25

Personally, I find the Fox story to be more accurate. If there were 500 chemical weapons found, then there were 500 chemical weapons found. MSNBC story essentially says that such stuff may be found but it doesn't matter. In any event, the facts surrounding the 500 make it pretty clear this is not what we supposedly went to Iraq for.
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Re: Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby rogerhb » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 19:23:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ffering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.


Digging up a rusted mustard gas shell in a muddy field in the Somme area does not mean that France is threatening the world with mushroom clouds.
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Re: Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby emersonbiggins » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 19:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ffering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.


Digging up a rusted mustard gas shell in a muddy field in the Somme area does not mean that France is threatening the world with mushroom clouds.


We instantly recognized the ones in Iraq, as they matched our receipts from twenty years ago...
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Re: Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby NEOPO » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 21:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ffering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.


Digging up a rusted mustard gas shell in a muddy field in the Somme area does not mean that France is threatening the world with mushroom clouds.


We instantly recognized the ones in Iraq, as they matched our receipts from twenty years ago...


Thats exactly right!
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Yeah it doesnt take long to figure out which side people are on.
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Re: Fox News vs MSNCB

Postby emailking » Mon 27 Nov 2006, 21:59:03

I watch all of MSNBC, Faux, and CNN. Faux is the most ridiculous but sometimes it has some good stuff, and in any case it's good to know what a good portion of America thinks.
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Faux News

Postby dukey » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 10:36:47

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Re: Faux News

Postby MD » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 10:51:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'h')ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8775995341064689390&q=outfoxed


The message is fine, but there appears to be quite a bit of in stream editing, which makes me discount the messenger.

If I were one of the interviewees, I would object to having my commentary cut and pasted to the extremes I saw in this video, even if I whole heartedly supported the message.

And no, I don't think what I saw was digital stutter.
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Re: Faux News

Postby dukey » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 12:03:51

it's just the interviews from a longer film
hence the cut points
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Re: Faux News

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