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')These $10,000 electric cars and $500-$2500 electric bikes (which exist RIGHT NOW) can only get cheaper and faster and more efficient as the market moves from SUV's, foreign oil, and the rest of the dominant paradigm.
We just have to pray for high oil prices to continue.
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Re: All electric car available on eBay right now (Sept 22nd)
by joewp » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 13:56:19
Unfortunately, since I'm sure these bikes and cars are made using oil and other fossil fuels, as oil prices rise, so will the manufacturing costs for these vehicles. I'd buy them now while you can!
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Re: All electric car available on eBay right now (Sept 22nd)
by BrazilianPO » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 22:02:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', ' ')Unfortunately, since I'm sure these bikes and cars are made using oil and other fossil fuels, as oil prices rise, so will the manufacturing costs for these vehicles. I'd buy them now while you can!
I am not sure about the importance of oil in the final prices of goods. You see, oil was U$10-20 five years ago and now it is 3-5 times more expensive. However, cars, clothes, and most industrial goods are still the same price or became just a little more expensive. Food and energy, of course, not.
But I think we overestimate the importance of oil in the final price of most goods. I think this goes towards that idea that the world economy is much less reliable on oil, and uses it more efficiently.
I am going through an optimistic phase lately, after being doomerish for the last two to three years...
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Re: All electric car available on eBay right now (Sept 22nd)
by Revi » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 23:11:35
We spent the weekend buzzing around in our Sun Neighborhood electric vehicle. It goes over 12 miles on a charge, has 3 deep cycle batteries, and charges itself with the sun. It weighs 1/3 of the weight of a golf cart. It was a real hit at the Commonground Fair on Friday! Kits are going to be available in the spring. Be the first kid on your block to have one! It'll cost less than half the price of the Xebra, but it's top speed is only 25.
Here's the website:
www.sunnev.com
Here's the website:
www.sunnev.com
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Re: All electric car available on eBay right now (Sept 22nd)
by Vexed » Sun 24 Sep 2006, 13:50:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', '
')These $10,000 electric cars and $500-$2500 electric bikes (which exist RIGHT NOW) can only get cheaper and faster and more efficient as the market moves from SUV's, foreign oil, and the rest of the dominant paradigm.
We just have to pray for high oil prices to continue.
')These $10,000 electric cars and $500-$2500 electric bikes (which exist RIGHT NOW) can only get cheaper and faster and more efficient as the market moves from SUV's, foreign oil, and the rest of the dominant paradigm.
We just have to pray for high oil prices to continue.
Unfortunately, since I'm sure these bikes and cars are made using oil and other fossil fuels, as oil prices rise, so will the manufacturing costs for these vehicles. I'd buy them now while you can!
But...
Common sense says: Far less oil goes into the manufacture of an ICE vehicle than that ICE vehicle will likely consume in its life span on the road.
So, the more EV’s we put on the road in the States, the greater the reduction in the 25% annual oil consumption in the transportation sector.
IOW, even if EV’s still use oil in their manufacture, they are still reducing overall oil consumption in their implementation because they are more efficient.
The trick, as I see it, is maintaining an environment in which Green companies such as Zap can continue to innovate produce and distribute their vehicles and products without a sudden precipitous fall in oil price. …which Venezuela and Saudi Arabia might angle for if Green industries start to take off.
Its the second oldest story: Lower your prices to kill your competition, and then raise them up when the threat to your profits has been removed. Wal-Mart executives know what I am talking about.
I can just imagine a Prius for sale on every corner. Right under a big gas sign that says: “Unleaded $1.15”
And two years later, the Green companies vanquished, the same sign: “Unleaded $4.00”
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