[Eli]

Mekrob we will have to wait and see. I think the that Iran and Hezbollah are much more willing to accept loses than Israel.

I think the nuclear playing field will be leveled shortly , by Iran.

Thanks Miki good point, I had many Persian friends in school very nice people. A lot of people in the US are ignorant of the situation also it is interesting to note how many Christians are cheering for Lebanon's destruction even though a third of the population is Christian.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'M')ekrob we will have to wait and see. I think the that Iran and Hezbollah are much more willing to accept loses than Israel.

I think the nuclear playing field will be leveled shortly , by Iran.

Thanks Miki good point, I had many Persian friends in school very nice people. A lot of people in the US are ignorant of the situation also it is interesting to note how many Christians are cheering for Lebanon's destruction even though a third of the population is Christian.

[mjpete]

I wouldn't count Israel our quite yet. Can they destroy Hezbollah, probably not. However, there is no way Hezbollah is going to knock off Israel. Democracies always look weak and inept when fighting agressive wars. Change the tune to a war for survival and everything turns. Israel as a state is going to be around for a very long time.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mjpete', 'I') wouldn't count Israel our quite yet. Can they destroy Hezbollah, probably not. However, there is no way Hezbollah is going to knock off Israel. Democracies always look weak and inept when fighting agressive wars. Change the tune to a war for survival and everything turns. Israel as a state is going to be around for a very long time.

[Eli]

Miki you are right a person that Cheers for a Nation's destruction is not Christian.

That is why I think Israel is going way too far in Lebanon. Everything they are doing is making the whole world ask, is this right? is this just?

And other than a few right wing chicken hawks, some hardcore Zionists and some very confused Christians, I think the answer is no.

And don't get me wrong either I do not wish to see Israel destroyed either I just think there is far too much bad blood between Israel and her neighbors for a true lasting peace.

You make a very good point about the Palestinians the Lebanese do not want them to become citizens neither do Jordanians and really rightly so. Israel likes to pretend as if this is the fault of the Lebanese or the Jordanians when at the very heart of it is Israel's problem.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'A')nd don't get me wrong either I do not wish to see Israel destroyed either I just think there is far too much bad blood between Israel and her neighbors for a true lasting peace.

[Eli]

It appears as if Syria is trying behind closed doors to setup a peace conference to broker a long term peace solution.


Syria

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')
By Salah Nasrawi
An AP NEWS ANALYSIS
CAIRO (AP)--Syria appears intent on wresting political gains from the standoff in Lebanon, privately telling Arab diplomats that it won't aid cease-fire efforts unless that results in less isolation for it, and more focus on the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights, diplomats and analysts said Tuesday.
Syria's push to link any cease-fire to what it calls a comprehensive and lasting Mideast peace plan comes at a time when U.S. President George W. Bush also has said he wants a cease-fire linked to a broader Mideast peace plan.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I')t appears as if Syria is trying behind closed doors to setup a peace conference to broker a long term peace solution.


Syria

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')
By Salah Nasrawi
An AP NEWS ANALYSIS
CAIRO (AP)--Syria appears intent on wresting political gains from the standoff in Lebanon, privately telling Arab diplomats that it won't aid cease-fire efforts unless that results in less isolation for it, and more focus on the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights, diplomats and analysts said Tuesday.
Syria's push to link any cease-fire to what it calls a comprehensive and lasting Mideast peace plan comes at a time when U.S. President George W. Bush also has said he wants a cease-fire linked to a broader Mideast peace plan.

[erl]

I should say "truth."

Link

Apparently Hezbollah sank an Australian warship!!!

Sheesh.

[Eli]

Well erl,

You obviously have never heard of the Muslim concept of

"al-Taqiyya".al-Taqiyya

[erl]

I confess my ignorance. Thanks for the article.

I think another word for it would be "propaganda."

Seems to be a lot of it floating around.

[nwildmand]

wow. nice links guys. helps justify my prejudice. honesty is on of the most important virtues a man can have. and now i read that a man can lie to his wife. i alway new arabs were liars and now i know why.

i guess this throws negotiating with arabs out the window because you know their side is alway lieing.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'I') should say "truth."

Link

Apparently Hezbollah sank an Australian warship!!!

Sheesh.

[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou should call the IDF and tell them, cause they thought it was an IDF ship, but I'm sure you know better than them.

[napoleon]

I'm certain Israel never lied about anything.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'w')ow. nice links guys. helps justify my prejudice. honesty is on of the most important virtues a man can have. and now i read that a man can lie to his wife. i alway new arabs were liars and now i know why.

i guess this throws negotiating with arabs out the window because you know their side is alway lieing.

[erl]

The linked article on "al-Taqiyya" is replete with terms and phrases like:

"The meaning is that the tongue is permitted to utter anything in a
time of need..."

"concealment"

"utters disbelief"

"Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..."

"Dissimulation"

Of course, all are under compulsion and that is the excuse the article says excuses all these.

But, I am still unaware how any of these are anything but euphemisms for "lies."

And I fail to see the compusion that forced Hezbollah to post the picture of the Australian Naval vessel and claim it was a photo of their missle hitting the Israeli ship.

[nwildmand]

diplomacy = concealing ones beliefs = lying.

now who taking shit out of context. you dont give the readers here enough credit. they are reading the article.

its funny how muslims equate lying with diplomacy.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'i')ts funny how muslims equate lying with diplomacy.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou should call the IDF and tell them, cause they thought it was an IDF ship, but I'm sure you know better than them.