by Miki » Wed 13 Sep 2006, 15:52:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', 'A')re you fucking nuts if Israel had continued their attack Hezbollah and unfortantely Lebaon would have been destroyed. Only because the U.S. put some pressure on Isreal did they stop, because right now the America government Needs things to be ok or kind of ok in the middle east until after the elections.
Oh, really? So the American government basically changed its mind about whether it wanted "things to be ok" in the ME in the course of a month?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')ts our culture that the radical muslims dont want more then anything. You can already see how its affecting most of the young in the middle east countries and this of course is what they want to stop and will stop at nothing to get it,
Oh please! All the Arab dictators are taking care of that already.
Besides, I think there are more legitimate reasons for the Islamic terrorists to atack America, and those are the reasons they're using to recruit their followers. The minority of extremists that does hate your culture would not be able to recruit hundreds of thousands of followers, if it was not for the fact that your government gives plenty of legitimate reasons for the Arabs to hate you. You killed and oppressed their people---THAT is why they hate you. Check the polls that I posted in the "what Arabs realy think of 9/11" thread.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I was a muslim I would do everything possible right now to stop these radicals before its to late and they do something really stupid like use a dirty bomb or nuke or even bio weapon, because then I feel the world just might fall into a real religious world war and the muslims wont win nor will it be pretty. Iran controls more terrorism then you guys think or want to accept. this is just mho
Well, the way the Arabs see it, your government will atack them anyway. It already did in Iran and Lebanon, when those two nations had nothing to do with 9/11. It already did in Palestine for 40 years and counting. Americans and Israelis find excuses and kill us anyway. No one can hold them accountable for any of their crimes and violations of human rights. They reserve the right to violate UN resolutions. There is no law, no justice, no rights. So why should we abide by law, and justice, and rights, when the world does nothing to enforce those laws and rights and justice on the US and Israel?
The Arabs don't trust your government and its good intentions for the ME--and with good reason. Your government has done nothing, but to steal their resources, slaughter their civilians, allow the illegal occupation of their lands, and support oppression, dictatorships, and violations of human rights.
If I was American, I'd put pressure on my government to stop violating the rights of others, so that others won't have rightful reasons to violate the rights of Americans.
by mekrob » Wed 13 Sep 2006, 19:34:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you jam an anti missle system?
Scramble the electric field maybe so that then the messages that are sent to the system are messed up and the system won't work properly. I'm not an electrictian.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are so full of shit, we steal their resources ? hmmm interesting here I thought they got money for their oil?
First, we install dictators who oppress them. Then we give them paper for oil that is worth a shitload (20,000 man-hours of work). The people get very little of what is theirs. That is stealing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')a your right we supported the oppression of the average muslim woman who are treated as nothing more then possessions and baby carriers not to mention to be beaten on at anytime.
Do you only listen to what the media, Ann Coulter and O'Reilly tell you? Have you ever been to the Middle East? Ever met any Arabs or Muslims? Have even read a book on any of the countries?
The nation you are describing is the former Afghanistan and not any of the Arab nations. Arab nations generally care very much about their sisters, mothers, wives and daughters. They don't let them become whores for 40 year old men. The only ones that beat and rape them are the dictators that the US supports. Did you know that the 'radical' Hizbullah supports women's suffrage and even openly supports women running for political offices? 68 of the 249-member legislature in Afghanistan are women. 25% of Iraqi parliament is composed of women. Those are both higher percentages than women in the US Congress! Seems like women are more than just baby-makers in the Middle East.
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by Free » Wed 13 Sep 2006, 19:43:02
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')How do you crack field communications between units? We supposedly have essentially uncrackable encryption on home PC's these days, surely even field units should be heavily encrypted.
Yeah this doesn't make sense and I don't buy it.
As far as I understood the Hezbollah simply intercepted mobile phone calls by stupid Israeli reservists, which are of course easy to crack.
This would make very much sense. After my own little experience in the military, at least in maneuvres people are very tempted to use cell phones as a "short cut" instead of complicated clumsy radio communication, because of course it's much more convenient to get a straight line of communication to whomever you want.
Even if this is strongly verboten in theory, my guess it happens a lot in reality. It's like in computer security, you can build the strongest anti-virus protection in the world, there is always that one guy who clicks on the "NAKED PARIS HILTON PICS" email attachment...
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by rwwff » Wed 13 Sep 2006, 19:53:54
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'u')mm off the topic of if this is a good or a bad thing Can't we all agree that this makes the wests reliance on technology and our supposed big advantage over everyone else look questionable?
Not really. It appears more a rules of engagement issue. The Israelis apparently weren't ready to ramp it up and take a more direct whack at Iran and Syria, so that provided sanctuary; and with sanctuary, you can do a heck of a lot to disrupt a technologically dependent military force. Choose to not permit sanctuary, and all that counter tech becomes worthless rubble for the price of a 500 lb laser guided bomb.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you jam an anti missle system? do our ships really require outside communications to know that there is a missle coming in and to target it? Or is this a case of confusing the system with some form of counter measures?
A lot of Naval systems depend on a network of ships to create a defensible perimiter. Since they were not permitted to destroy the source of the interference, they apparently couldn't build the network.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow did the communications get through to iran and syria? I'm assuming it was radio of some sort since wires would be bombed easily and quickly.
Satellite phones.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e've long viewed the armies of the middle east as technologically backwards and easy targets. Why is it that in a little skirmish where surely there best wasn't used we find that an area we dominate isn't so secure?
by Miki » Thu 14 Sep 2006, 12:40:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', 'Y')ou are so full of shit,
You need to learn a lot about what your government has done in the ME in the last 50 years. A LOT.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e steal their resources ? hmmm interesting here I thought they got money for their oil?
When you invade Irak and slaughter 50 000 people with the only intention of achieving a regime change, so you can plant your military bases and your oil bases in their country, so that you can use
an Iraki resource to benefit your rich people while the poor Iraki people die in their poverty, YOU ARE STEALING.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')a your right we supported the oppression of the average muslim woman who are treated as nothing more then possessions and baby carriers not to mention to be beaten on at anytime. But yes your right when you say the western culture has nothing to do with radical muslim thinking other then our freedoms we give to all not just men.
Yes, face reality: your government supports quite a few dictators and criminals in the ME, in spite of their violations of civil rights and human rights. Starting with Israel---one of thye most criminal governments in the world.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')top your crying boo hoo boo hoo get over it already and face the real future instead of trying to hold onto the past.
by Miki » Thu 14 Sep 2006, 13:10:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mnesty International has accused Hezbollah of acts amounting to war crimes in the conflict with Israel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5343188.stmi just could not help but laugh when i saw this. trully ironic.
1-Please explain to me what is so funny about civilians dieing in both sides of the conflict.
2-Amnesty had also accused Israel of war crimes some weeks ago.
3-While firing unprecise rockets at civilian areas is a war crime, I wouldn't go as far as to accuse Hisballah of "targeting" civilians. Because:
a-There are many military targets in the areas where the rockets were landing and Hisballah had intelligence on several of its locations. I'm not an expert in military devices, but I understand that they had sent a drone some time ago to spy on the area. Thus, it is likely that they were targeting those military places.
b- Most Israeli civilians were in bomb shelters. What would be the use of sending rockets to target them, if the civilians were not even in the streets to start with? And if they were targeting them, how come out of thousands of rockets fired, only 40 civilians died in 34 days of war?
c-Israel has a censorship law by which reporters are forbidden to tell where the rockets actually landed. If we knew where they landed, we could have a better idea of what they were really targeting. If we can't know where they landed, we are left with the information that the IDF allows reporters to give---and that leads to a very biased understanding of what were the real targets.
Disclaimer for Black and Whites: I'm not justifying war crimes or the firing of rockets to civilian areas. I'm just clarifying that Hisballah's actions are often portrayed so as to distort their real agendas, actions, or intentions. This is of course thanks to the Israeli PR machine, one of the most rich and efficient in the world.
Other than that, KUdos for Amnesty. I hope justice is achieved for all those who suffered from the atack of Israel on Lebanon, 90% of which were Lebanese.
by Specop_007 » Thu 14 Sep 2006, 13:14:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', ' ')Now reap what you sow, or DO SOMETHING for your government to stop helping the terrorists recruit followers.
I do do something.
I vote Republican and support the war effort so we can kill lots of Arabs. Every dead Arab is one less terrorist.
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. All the boats have descriptions in Arabic. I'll PM Mekrob to see if he can translate them for us.
