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Re: Mexico To Strike Oil?

Postby rockdoc123 » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 13:44:46

Just so everyone will understand how statistically improbable it would be to discover a single field of >10 Billion barrels in the GOM I thought I would plot up the field size distribution. First off here is a plot of field size "families" or ranges of reserve sizes for the US and Mexico GOM including both shallow and deepwater:

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Note there is only 1 field where reserves greater than 10 billion barrels have been discovered....part of Cantrell. If we look at time series probablility reserve size distributions you end up with:

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Which tells us there is a very low chance of finding a single field of 10 billion barrels size. Not only that but the second time series (later discoveries in the cycle) have a much lower P10 and P50 reserve size...suggesting that there is less chance now than there was say 5 years ago.

That being said this part of the GOM is very underexplored ....there are only a few wells so it is quite possible that we haven't completed sampled the "universe" . The likelihood, however, is that there will be a lot of separate fields....perhaps they would add up to the number Fox is muttering about, should be interesting to see.
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Re: Mexico To Strike Oil?

Postby AirlinePilot » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 20:37:56

could

aux.v.

Past tense of can

Used to indicate ability or permission in the past: I could run faster then. Only men could go to the club in those days.
Used with hypothetical or conditional force: If we could help, we would.
Used to indicate tentativeness or politeness: I could be wrong. Could you come over here?

Not quite what I thought it would say, but I do understand the definition. If we could produce 10Gb of oil from this field we would, but it does not mean that we can.

Could is not will or shall. Frankly I doubt it's anything more than a politically expedient event they are using to calm the masses worried about Cantarell's decline.
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Re: Mexico's Fox To Announce New Deep Water Oil Find

Postby cudabachi » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 12:43:14

Reading those blurbs about BP's ThunderHorse floating production platform really bring to mind how long it takes to get oil from Deep Water GOM finds to the market.

At the time I left the oilfield in June of 2000, my company was involved in the evaluation of the reservoir fluids from the discovery well, which I believe had been drilled in late 1999.

With all the money and technology available to BP, it appears they've still not brought any of that oil to market.....which might help explain the gigantic yawn the market gave to Fox's announcement.
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Re: Mexico's Fox To Announce New Deep Water Oil Find

Postby Leanan » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 12:52:42

Analysts Skeptical of Claims of a Large Mexican Oil Find

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nalysts say they are skeptical of news this week from the Mexican state oil monopoly that exploratory drilling in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico shows signs of a giant new oil field.

Petróleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, says that early indications suggest that the field could be as large as 10 billion barrels. But analysts said that it was premature to make an estimate based on preliminary drilling.

"To me it's entirely speculative and hypothetical," said David Shields, an oil analyst and consultant in Mexico City.


Sounds like "political barrels" to me.
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Re: Mexico May Have Hit the Mother Lode in Oil Find..

Postby nth » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 13:41:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '
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Yup. And there you see the problem. It took awhile to build the infrastructure to produce the oil. It's not "low-hanging fruit." The new fields coming online will probably be even more challenging. After all, there's a good reason why they haven't been produced before.



First, I apologize for not using the link function.

Now, I totally agree with your above statement. Low-hanging fruits are gone. The new fields we found are going to be more difficult.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It might. Word is, this oil is heavier than Cantarell's. That means it will be harder to get out of the ground - assuming the find is as good as they hope, whiich is highly unlikely.


I don't know how heavy is Cantarell's oil, but I do know this is heavy oil. Definitely not very good quality.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We don't know 10+ is true. And even if it is...Mexico might have another hump, just as we did with Prudhoe, but it won't change the world peak any.


Well, there is a big difference between geological limitations to oil production versus economic or geopolitical limitations.
Pemex is going to face economic and political issues rather than geological limitations to maintaining or increasing oil production. This is pretty much true from what I read. No one seems to doubt Pemex can find more oil if given the resources.
Your opinion is based on not only oil Peaking, but that will drop quite a bit afterwards before 2020 when this field be in full production.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The graph is not what proves the peak is now. It's merely suggestive. It's "Hubbert linearization" that predicted the 2005 peak.


The problem is that it is not suggesting anything.
I am not familiar with what data Ken uses, but it seems Campbell and others don't agree with him. When looking at known projects, it doesn't seem Ken's prediction is going to hold, but we will know by year end. If 2006 produces less than 2005, I will concede that Ken is right, even though one year decline does not mean PO is right.
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Re: Mexico's Fox To Announce New Deep Water Oil Find

Postby Leanan » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 13:57:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am not familiar with what data Ken uses, but it seems Campbell and others don't agree with him.


It's not so much the data he uses as what he does with it. Deffeyes uses "Hubbert linearization." That is, he assumes that the after finding the first few fields, you can calculate how much more there will be. Because the largest fields are found first. The strength of this method is that once you have enough data, more finds really don't change the peak. Just as Prudhoe didn't change the U.S. peak.

The weakness of the method is if you try it too early - when not enough early fields have been found - it may be misleading. So if this new field means there's a lot more out there to be found, it might mean it's too early to do a Hubbert linearization for Mexico.

I think what some others are doing is trying to add up all the current production, subtract declines in production, and add in new production. The problems are obvious with this method. You have to estimate decline rates, which isn't easy, and you have to assume that the scheduled new project will come online as when predicted, and produce the amount predicted, which rarely happens.

There's also the question of what they are counting as "oil." Tar sands, oil shale, NGLs, etc. Some count 'em, some don't.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen looking at known projects, it doesn't seem Ken's prediction is going to hold, but we will know by year end.


I doubt it. Even the cornucopians are predicting this year is likely to be a bad one for oil production. Next year they hope for an increase. If 2007 shows a decline, too, that will indicate to me that Deffeyes is right.
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Re: Mexico To Strike Oil?

Postby nth » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 15:24:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'J')ust so everyone will understand how statistically improbable it would be to discover a single field of >10 Billion barrels in the GOM [...]



I don't agree with using probabilities to state whether this is true or not. The reason is that any large oil field is hard to find. Outside of Middle East, how many 10+ oil fields are there? What are the chances of finding one?

The answer is that it is nearly impossible to find one.
This does not mean we have to view all large finds skeptically. If there is evidence shown, then we should evaluate based on evidence. If no evidence, then believe based on faith as there is no logical reason.
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Re: Mexico's Fox To Announce New Deep Water Oil Find

Postby rockdoc123 » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 15:51:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't agree with using probabilities to state whether this is true or not. The reason is that any large oil field is hard to find. Outside of Middle East, how many 10+ oil fields are there? What are the chances of finding one?

The answer is that it is nearly impossible to find one.
This does not mean we have to view all large finds skeptically. If there is evidence shown, then we should evaluate based on evidence. If no evidence, then believe based on faith as there is no logical reason.


Your statement is certainly true where there isn't a lot of existing drilling information.....hence my own comment that in the particular area of deepwater they are talking about drilling is sparse. That being said there is considerable drilling in the GOM and it is all more or less one basin. Each of these wells tests the Tertiary petroleum systems.....and what the distribution tells us is that the chance of finding something of that size in a single field is extremely small.
Sure if they gave some evidence to prove otherwise....but they did not and I guarantee you it won't be forthcoming in the near future. So my argument holds.....they made a discovery...so what is the most likely outcome ....statistically it is the mean of the existing distribution which is much less than 10 billion barrels.

BTW this is a technique that is applied pretty much everywhere the oil industry does exploration. In the above case if I knew, for instance that the economic field size cutoff for 1000m was 5 billion barrels I would likely not want to invest any money drilling a well as the chance of finding something that size is less than 10%. Worse yet even if the prospect I intended to drill was relatively unrisky lets say a 1:2 chance of success then the actual chance of finding something that is economic becomes less than 5%.....not the kind of odds most would fancy.
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Re: Mexico's Fox To Announce New Deep Water Oil Find

Postby pedalling_faster » Wed 22 Mar 2006, 12:19:38

the well is about 185 miles south of New Orleans (i think)

the water temp in key west is ... 77 degrees F.

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/egof.html

this relates to hurricanes.

i think most of us will be surprised if Hurricane Season 2006 is a lightweight.

the relation between Peak Oil and Climate Change becomes a little more apparent.
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Re: Mexico's Fox To Announce New Deep Water Oil Find

Postby nth » Thu 23 Mar 2006, 13:16:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '
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I doubt it. Even the cornucopians are predicting this year is likely to be a bad one for oil production. Next year they hope for an increase. If 2007 shows a decline, too, that will indicate to me that Deffeyes is right.


I am a lot more pessimistic. If 2006 drop below 2005, then I think that is it. I fail to see 2007 surpassing 2006. New oil production projects are coming on a rate of 3-4m per year. Depletion is 4-5m per year and may go up as number of exhausted fields increase and lack of resources to implement advance recovery methods.

According Chris, 2008 should be PO date based on mega projects. I think at best 2010. With Chevron not finding huge fields offshore Nigeria in the past few months, it is turning into a very bad year for Chevron. Remember they had a major setback in US GoM. They abandoned one major oil field due to drilling difficulties.
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MARS GOM Platform

Postby Tanada » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 07:14:18

It has now been a couple of weeks since MARS went back online but the press releases are near identicle. Does anyone have a solid number on what level production is producing right now?

May 22 report

May 28 report
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Re: MARS GOM Platform

Postby DantesPeak » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 09:22:36

OIL'S NOT WELL YET IN GULF
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il industry still fixing damage from Katrina
Wednesday, May 31, 2006
By Pam Radtke Russell
Business writer

Despite Herculean efforts to get oil production restarted in the Gulf of Mexico after last fall's storms, if such storms hit again, the results will again be painful for Americans at the gas pump.

"We feel like there's been a tremendous amount of work done, as much work as possible, but we're not about to declare victory," said Bud Danenberger, chief of offshore regulatory programs at the federal Minerals Management Service. "We're going to continue to work."

Shell Oil's Mars platform, which started producing last week, and will be producing at its full capacity by the end of June, will restore 130,000 barrels of oil a day to the Gulf's production.


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Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby smiley » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 14:42:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico in record numbers, threatening to put upward pressure on U.S. oil and natural gas prices, according to a report published Wednesday.

Drilling companies are increasingly signing long-term deals with oil firms to send their rigs to more promising drilling regions overseas, said the Wall Street Journal.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/05/news/ec ... /index.htm

Big Oil's answer to the hurricane threat.
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Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Ancien_Opus » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 14:48:49

Follow the money.

Matt Simmons is all over this. Saudi Arabia is paying 2-3 times the going rate for rigs and the exodus from the Gulf of Mexico started long before Katrina hit. The Saudi's appear to emmulating the behavior of West Texas in the 1970's, drill-drill-& even more drilling. Of course it did not reverse the decline. Just another sign that perhaps all is not well in the desert kingdom.
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Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Leanan » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 14:56:44

Yup. TOD had an article article about it recently.

In particular, check out this graph. The blue line is the number of rigs. The green and purple lines are two different estimates of Saudi production. Rig count is going through the roof. Production is not.
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Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby SoothSayer » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 15:07:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico in record numbers, threatening to put upward pressure on U.S. oil and natural gas prices, according to a report published Wednesday.

Drilling companies are increasingly signing long-term deals with oil firms to send their rigs to more promising drilling regions overseas, said the Wall Street Journal.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/05/news/ec ... /index.htm

Big Oil's answer to the hurricane threat.


No panic - they are simply making their way to the oil rig breeding grounds in Cromarty. The migration happens every 12 years. They'll be back after a few months of gambolling in the ocean waves. They will of course bring their new baby offspring with them - although not all will survive the journey.

Oil rigs streaming into the breeding grounds at Cromarty
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A fully grown male oil rig looking for a mate
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A view of the complicated mating process
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Proud parents with their new child (being watched by the Coastguard)
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Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby strider3700 » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 15:18:28

LOL :lol:
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Geko45 » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 15:19:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'A') fully grown male oil rig looking for a mate

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LMAO!
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Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby pepper2000 » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 15:21:14

Another theory put forward is that the Saudis are using their newfound wealth to buy up rigs and run the price of oil up. I don't know if I believe this is true, but it's an idea.
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