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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby nth » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 13:23:27

This is US oil. US claims this area.

As for this discovery, I believe they already made a public announcement about this in 2004. So, this is just recycle news. They are going to drill another test well in 2007. So, we won't see this producing anytime soon.350ft of pay dirt
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Cynus » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 13:26:33

Hooray! We might have found a lot of oil! So what are we going to do with it? Use it to fuel our military for the next, well, forever? Use it to build up our rail systems? Use it to power the factories pumping out solar panels? Use it to redevelop our communities to become sustainable? Nope, we're going to burn it in our SUVs.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby gego » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 13:36:58

Those drilling depths are something else. Commercial airliners fly in the 30,000 ft. range to give you a sense of how deep they are needing to drill to extract this oil.

If this is the biggest find in many years, and it, at best only provides six months of worldwide production, then we clearly are in trouble, not to mention the dangerous location of this field.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby jeezlouise » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 14:18:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'T')his is US oil. US claims this area.

As for this discovery, I believe they already made a public announcement about this in 2004. So, this is just recycle news. They are going to drill another test well in 2007. So, we won't see this producing anytime soon.350ft of pay dirt


2013 before the first drop is pulled, I'm hearing. What figure is demand supposed to be by then? This may only serve to increase the "peak #2" that some are forecasting: demand drops due to recession/depression which itself is due to being past Peak #1 (true peak) and then production picks up somewhat if the economy can pick itself up, but not at all near the original flow rate.

And oh yeah, many new miles of pipe need to be constructed at incredible depths to reach those new areas, whose costs may derail the whole shebang.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby mjdlight » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 14:20:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'N')ope, we're going to burn it in our SUVs.


The SUV is as dead as the station wagon, unless we see crude fall below 50 bucks a barrel for a long period of time. I'm not holding my breath...:)

Detroit made the same mistake they made in the 70s with regards to fleet fuel consumption and gas prices, except this time, I think the blow might be fatal.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby nth » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 14:26:05

Why is the news media rereporting this?

They already reported this in 2004. Did they get new info? No, it is same info. Are we going to see them republish other news of new oil fields from 2005?
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 14:38:15

double plus good
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 15:43:31

With all this talk about how much is or isn't in the ground, considering recent meterological events in the Gulf of Mexico, might this all turn out to be redundant should Mother Nature decide to throw a few breezy "spanners" into the mix.

Hurricaine Katrina and Rita as examples anyone?
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Mechler » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 15:55:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'I') haven't seen any news reports yet about how energy companies will deal with hurricanes in that area with 170 MPH winds. Does anyone think the technology will be available to stand up to these hurricane forces?


Good point! More production from the GOM will only lead to greater vulnerability and wild price swings every hurricane season.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'B')y the way, I spoke withe the chairman of ASPO yesterday. He said the succes of deep offshore is what will shape the peak and decide the exact year of peak production.


Co-founder Steve Andrews gave a talk to the Colorado Renewable Energy Society (CRES) last week, and basically said the same thing. However, their 2015 year of peak prediction pretty much factors in some large deep-water finds. So news like this is expected. These finds will most likely be overshadowed by the decline of mature fields around the world.

As some other people mentioned, though, news like this gives the general population a warm-fuzzy so they can go on with their consumerism (of which I'm guilty of as well).
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:00:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'F')irst of all, is this the agreed upon definition of peak oil? . . .

"If economics don't play in, PO is however believed to co-inside with the time half of the worlds oil is extracted. "

I thought that peak oil was when production peaked, not when the amount out of the ground is half.

In any event, much of the oil in the world is not extratable at commerciall viable prices, so if you use the "1/2" the world's oil method, then you probably never reach peak oil, because more than 1/2 is probably unrecoverable.

If you mean 1/2 of the commercially extractable oil, then you are talking about price. The 1/2 changes with price. At $200 per barrel, the "peak" shifts dramatically into the future relative to $70 a barrel.

So I like the production peak, because, economically, it is much more relevant than volume peak.


From the multitude of oil peaks (production, consumption, 1/2 of reserves, etc), clearly the most painful is the peak "extraction rate". It really doesn't matter how much quality oil still is in the ground if it cannot be extracted fast enough to feed the global consumption paranoia.

The world economy needs every single day its drug dose (currently at 84-85 mbpd) to keep it running. If the oil extraction rate falls measurably under that, bubye economic growth, hello recession.

So even if the Gulf of Mexico discovery contains 10 trillion barrels of sweet light crude, it's completely useless if the maximum possible extraction rate is say 100 kbpd, due to geopolitical factors, location, infrastructure, terrorism, etc.

How long can this party continue? I honestly think that the theoretical maximum global extraction rate will never be achieved, because of many limits imposed by nature or man.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby ChicknLittle » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:01:35

The cynical progressive in me guesses that this "news" was re-released in advance of the November elections to help the mood of the Voters. Don't worry, Be Happy, Vote Republican.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:13:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', '
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From the multitude of oil peaks (production, consumption, 1/2 of reserves, etc), clearly the most painful is the peak "extraction rate". It really doesn't matter how much quality oil still is in the ground if it cannot be extracted fast enough to feed the global consumption paranoia.

The world economy needs every single day its drug dose (currently at 84-85 mbpd) to keep it running. If the oil extraction rate falls measurably under that, bubye economic growth, hello recession.

So even if the Gulf of Mexico discovery contains 10 trillion barrels of sweet light crude, it's completely useless if the maximum possible extraction rate is say 100 kbpd, due to geopolitical factors, location, infrastructure, terrorism, etc.



I agree completely with your assessment regards peak extraction rate. This is the whole problem "cheap easy to get energy" that sustains our modern economy.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby joewp » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:31:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ChicknLittle', 'T')he cynical progressive in me guesses that this "news" was released in advance of the November elections to help the mood of the Voters. Don't worry, Be Happy, Vote Republican.


I think you're right. Here's the press release and here's a couple of quotes that can reasonably support your opinion, you cynical progressive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he test was conducted during the second quarter of 2006...


So why wait till September 5th to announce it?

Oh wait!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hevron announced discovery of the Jack prospect in September 2004.


So why announce it again and have the breathless media pronounce it a "new discovery"?

I think your explanation holds the most water, ChicknLittle. The freaking sky is falling, isn't it?
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:51:33

Trying to visualize drilling at those depths is mind boggling. That's one LONG straw.

I wonder what the per barrel cost is of extracting that oil?

I'm happy that this is the Gulf of Mexico and not the Caspian Sea. Hurricanes give more notice than terrorists.

This probably means more U.S. jobs as well, as opposed to a discovery on the other side of the world.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:53:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', 'I') agree completely with your assessment regards peak extraction rate. This is the whole problem "cheap easy to get energy" that sustains our modern economy.


We reached the point of no return long ago, maybe in the sixties.

The problem is we have to cross the intersection because the traffic light is red, but on the other side the road is blocked by a tall, thick concrete wall.

We are truly fcuked. If we continue to use oil at the present rate we are doomed. If we suddenly stop the consumption we are doomed. And everything in between these extremes smells like the mother of all recessions with no end in sight.

The scary thing is that the present rate of consumption is expected to increase and nothing is really being done (by the major players at least) to curb it, only to exacerbate it.

More people, more houses, more appliances, more cars, more plastic toys is obviously not the answer, but every single politician and economist is talking only about that.

Disaster is looming, and you don't need to have a PhD in peak-o-logy to understand that.

Remember the formula: I= P x A x T ?

Impact = Population x Affluence x Technology.

Well it's easy to see that our current economic model and everything that sustains it preaches exactly the opposite of rational thinking: increase the population, make it more affluent, and last but not least continue to develop the technology.

The impact on the environment (from resource depletion to pollution) cannot be efficiently reduced unless we address all 3 factors in the equation.

We must reduce the population, stop making it more affluent and curb our technological advances. Call me crazy but I don't see anything of the above happening soon and on our own will.

More oil discoveries? Recipe for disaster, unless we use it wisely, and we won't.

More oil discoveries? Postponing the inevitable, prolonging the agony.

The cure is to surgically remove the tumor, not to give the patient more nutrients to grow the cancer.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby o2ny » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:07:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'O')h wait!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hevron announced discovery of the Jack prospect in September 2004.


So why announce it again and have the breathless media pronounce it a "new discovery"?


Is it possible they discovered the prospect in '04, but just recently completed the testing phase on the area, thus requiring a new press release?
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby rwwff » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:11:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'N')ope, we're going to burn it in our SUVs.


Amen, alleluia!! There ought to be a few juicy deals remaining on used Ford F250's with relatively low mileage on the car lots still. $3 price shock, and all the silly people bailed on a perfectly useful piece of hardware.

Maybe I'll get me that Hummer for Christmas afterall.
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby mjdlight » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:19:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'N')ope, we're going to burn it in our SUVs.


Amen, alleluia!! There ought to be a few juicy deals remaining on used Ford F250's with relatively low mileage on the car lots still. $3 price shock, and all the silly people bailed on a perfectly useful piece of hardware.

Maybe I'll get me that Hummer for Christmas afterall.


Do you honestly think we're not going to be heading back to the days of $3 (and way beyond) gas sooner rather than later?

Heck, maybe we'll go back to .99 cents a gallon! Then I'll see your Hummer and raise you an M1A Abrams tank. And if you so much as look at me the wrong way, I'll squash your pathetic Hummer like a bug!

YEEHAH! :)
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Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Unread postby joewp » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:35:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('o2ny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'O')h wait!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hevron announced discovery of the Jack prospect in September 2004.


So why announce it again and have the breathless media pronounce it a "new discovery"?


Is it possible they discovered the prospect in '04, but just recently completed the testing phase on the area, thus requiring a new press release?


This was the second test well dug there, the first in 2004 when it was "discovered" and this one this year. In this press release they mention that the field was discovered in 2004, but CNBC was crowing all day that this was a "new" discovery!

They lie. Form your own reasons why they're lying.
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Jack, deepwater GOM question

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:47:00

Im seeing that this is not neccesarily the news we might think it is. How much of this is factored in to current estimates and depletion/peak models?

Is this just the hype I think it is? Or is it really a new large discovery? I am particularly interested in the estimates, 3-15 billion barrels seems like a huge uncertainty to me.

Anyone in the know have some rational answers?

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