[gg3]

First they require you to show your genitals to your boss (or your boss' appointed surrogate), up-close and personal (urine testing).
Next they want to stick spy chips in your arm as a condition of employment.
Anyone see a pattern here? As for me, "over my dead body!"

[Dukat_Reloaded]

I remember Dave Morgan talking about those chips, they use silver in them and he said if they become mainstream the silver price will explode.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'I') remember Dave Morgan talking about those chips, they use silver in them and he said if they become mainstream the silver price will explode.

[Dreamtwister]

This has been in the works for a while now. Eventually, all of your personal information will be attached to your chip's ID number, for your protection, of course. It's no coincidence that the human-grade RFID chips transmit the same number of digits as an SSN.

Their only saving grace is that even the most powerful transponders can only work reliably from a few feet away. I wonder how long it will be until there's a market for chips stolen from other people...

[Aaron]

I personally can't wait for this practice to become mainstream. This is yet another example of "old-think" meets "new reality".

The backwards morons in the movie & music business can't see it, and neither can these guys. The days when "top down control" sweeps the intentions of the individual away, are coming to a close.

The information Genie is out of it's bottle, and won't be put back. But I suspect it will take quite some time for the "old guard" to recognize this condition.

What happens when a million or 2 Chinese hackers release millions of fake chips implanted in migratory birds?
Or fish?
Or rodents?

The center cannot hold... things fall apart.

[Ludi]

The astonishing thing to me is that any self-respecting human being would accept a job under those conditions.

[RonMN]

The all-time best seller, written 2000 years ago & slowing comming true.

"And it will cause all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the bond, to have a mark on their right hand or on thier foreheads. and it will bring about that no one may be able to buy or sell, except him who has the mark" Apocalypse 13: 16

[Dukat_Reloaded]

TheTurtle, no It doesn't, economics is just another idea of the way the world works much like the environment but for people, it's learning about how the gears work against each other, and the more you understand it, basicly the more you understand in general and have different opinions than others who do not understand as well. People here generally think I have little understanding of the environment and how things work, not true, I have as much understanding as many people here, but what they don't realise is clouding their view. They view ecosystem colapse too depressing to comprehend because the diversity of life is diminishing. If you cut down a forest and kill all the animals in it does not mean you will die, the environmentalists view this as themselves dying as they believe they are one with the planet, and can't comprehend life without the forests and would rather die themselves than live without the forests, much like I suppose a mother losing her baby, the world is all over and can't see past the fact that it is just her baby that has died....but life goes on. For the environmentalists, economics has more to do with enviromental destruction than an understanding of the environmental systems. If you want to help the environment, learn about economics and then see what you can do change the economics of a particular system so that pressure on a particular ecosystem in that area can be reduced. I Doubt you could change anything knowing about economics, just as in the same way you can't change anything knowing about environmental systems. You can inform people and help them understand what is happening right now, how it is happening and why it is happening, which gives you more credit when speaking, but your just informing people, nothing is going to change what is going to happen, but for people, they like to be informed on what is happening and I'm just throwing out my views on the current trends and is going to be happening in the short term future.

The RFID chip.....I don't really care, they can implant me with one or herd of cows I don't care. The conspircy of these chips and barcodes assumes the government cares about what your doing anyway, and if your a "current day criminal" I have no problem of these people getting busted for crimes which were able to be proved with the RFID chips.

I mentioned silver being used in the chips because many people on this board are invested in silver, if they were using copper, I would not have bothered. From what I read in the morgan report, every artical of clothing, candy bars, consumer items will include these chips in the future and you can imagine trillions of these chips will be produced every year, whatever resources these chips use, they will increase in value. I havn't read any current articals about these chips for over 9 months ago now, thought it was already old news lol.

[Ludi]

No, Dukat honey, you don't understand the ecosystem. You have proven that with your dopey posts about palm and soy plantations replacing the Amazon.

You kid yourself mightily.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'P')eople here generally think I have little understanding of the environment and how things works, not true, I have as much understanding as the best of them, but what they don't realise is clouding their view. They view ecosystem colapse too depressing to comprehend because the diversity of life is diminishing. If you cut down a forest and kill all the animals in it does not mean you will die, the environmentalists view this as themselves dying as they believe they are one with the planet, and can't comprehend life without the forests and would rather die themselves than live without the forests...

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', ' ')What happens when a million or 2 Chinese hackers release millions of fake chips implanted in migratory birds?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')heir only saving grace is that even the most powerful transponders can only work reliably from a few feet away.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')t's amazing what people will put up with. I spent some time during residency in a Planned Parenthood in Washington State. In order to clock in, you stuck your hand in the time clock and it would read your finger prints. Creepy s--t IMHO. Also the PYXIS machines in all the hospitals (basically big vending machines that hold all the meds and supplies) are all thumbprint activated now.

[Laurasia]

"It's amazing what people will put up with" Funny you should say that, Smallpoxgirl; it reminded me of something we put up with at the place where I work. We use phones a lot; our phones are used to clock in and clock out, to indicate that we are in a meeing, many things. And of course our phone conversations may be monitored. But what is the most outrageous, is that the phones can also be used as listening devices. Someone monitoring us can, if they choose, listen in when we talk to our co-workers at our desks. This is the truth; a manager showed that function to us not long after we had the new phones installed. Perhaps he had an attack of conscience?
Regards,
L.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', ' ')But what is the most outrageous, is that the phones can also be used as listening devices. Someone monitoring us can, if they choose, listen in when we talk to our co-workers at our desks. This is the truth; a manager showed that function to us not long after we had the new phones installed. Perhaps he had an attack of conscience?

[formandfile]

Isnt RFID defeated by aluminum foil?

[gg3]

Laurasia, what brand of phone system do you have? Look at the name on the phone at your desk; and turn it over to get the model number on the little tag underneath. I'd be interested to know because I'm a PBX engineer (design and program phone systems), and often get asked about surveillance & countermeasures.

Monitoring features, in general, are assigned per "class of service" settings in the PBX, and are activated with a feature code. Many companies (including many of my clients) have the software to do routine maintenance on their PBXs, and it would be trivial for someone (the authorized person or someone else) to go in and assign themselves -or their friends- the COS setting that enables the feature code to be used from their own extensions.

Re. people not having time to listen in: Not unless they have some reason to "get" you, for example you're flagged as a dissenter or otherwise "different." Someone with a stalker mentality could play office politics by using that feature against his (usually it's a he) targets. In any case it's just plain wrong on principle. (This is a different case than the monitoring of phone calls for training call center employees, and that in turn does not justify monitoring them during personal calls.)

And if you combine that kind of passive monitoring with word-recognition software, what you get is a kind of broad-spectrum surveillance where every private employer has an NSA-like ability to monitor at will and only have humans listening to the "interesting" parts, for example where the boss' name occurs in the same sentence as the word "asshole."

Back to RFID: Oh I would dearly love it if someone hacked the system to pieces!

The Biblical "mark of the Beast" is right on target, and it shocks me that Christians, particularly fundamentalists, aren't all over this issue.

By the way, some of these chips can be read from satellites. Lost pet? Lost kid? How do you think they are found, if the chips can't be read from a distance?

These chips will also be a boon to stalkers and terrorists of all kinds, who want to track their victims to the ends of the earth.

Re. candy bars & other consumer goods having them: They won't be edible, they'll be in the candy wrappers which get thrown away; but they could turn up in other goods for example hidden inside new appliances. For this there will be a market in inexpensive chip detectors, to enable people to find the damn things and squish them like cockroaches. And as for "warranty terms," f--- the warranty, liberate yourself and hack your appliances.

Already I have seen on the web a few appliance hacks, for such diverse items as washing machines and dishwashers. There is a resurgence of interest in appliances that do not have electronic controls, i.e. back to the old mechanical pushbuttons, timers, and sequencers that readily lend themselves to being hacked. Soon enough people will figure out how to hack the firmware in processor-controlled appliances. In fact the maker of the Roomba robotic vacuum/sweeper is supposed to be publishing the information that will enable users to hack the code and make the machine behave differently. While these are relatively inoccuous (sp?) instances, they act against the propagation of taboos against taking control of one's technology.

It's safe to predict that if there ever comes a time when government tries to mandate everyone get injected with chips, armed revolt will break out the next day.

[rvijay]

BILL WOULD BAN FORCED MICROCHIP IMPLANTS link
A proposal moving through the Legislature would prohibit anyone from requiring people to have the tiny chips embedded in them or doing so without their knowledge. Violators would face fines of up to $10,000.

Comments: This is good news. No more reason to fear RFID chips, tagging, monitoring. Looks like more postive developments can be expected against these.

[UIUCstudent01]

I'm sure it can be repealed and/or ignored with a presidential order.

Laws and freedoms are only respected by government only so long as it is too expensive to deny them.

If it ever is deemed important to use it, I'm sure they'll use it. In the meantime, credit cards, satellites (looking down), cell phones, and cameras on every street is enough to track you and keep the masses in line. They don't need microchip implants.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rvijay', 'N')o more reason to fear RFID chips, tagging, monitoring.