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THE Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Thread (merged)

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Unread postby ArimoDave » Tue 31 May 2005, 15:16:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'e')dit: Really, there are more important things to worry about, like the Patriot Act. That one sucks major ass (to quote Kyle in South Park).

Does anyone think that if the conditions did not exist to make the Patriot Act possible, that the National ID system would even have been considered in the first place?
I tend to think not. The public in this case would see the National IDs as the internal passport that it is, not a method to curb illegal activity -- terrorism or otherwise.
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Unread postby kerosene » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 03:53:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')he US is a hundred times more free than Sweden. During the latest 100 years, one party has been in power for 88 years - the Social Democrats. Hopefully we will throw them out in the 2006 election.

HAH! Because people vote for them. How many parties do you have in your political system? Do the important party memebers have to answer in public if they lie in major issues? Is there open critique going on?

I would not vote for social democrat, but if people want that then they they choose it. And in Sweden's case I can guarantee you that that choise is far more likely to be based on what the politicians really represent. Here it is one on one scripted soap opera concentrating on totally secondary issues.

Have swedish government tried to push a law that basically says that pain less than equivalent of losing an organ or death is not torture?
Can people be arrested for any period time without charges and without notifying anyone?
Is all levels of education free in sweden? Eh - not really because you get paid when you are in university or college.
I do not know if you were being sarcastic or not but high taxes doesn't necessarily mean you have less freedom.

Sorry for sidetrack.
getting back to the track. Yeah in Europe the whole issue of citizen information is very different. Everyone is on record and nobody seems to care. You cannot invent social security number - identity theft is practically impossible - anyways compared to us. People - like me - have really hard time understanding the whole fear of being in the registry.
You can't do anything (study, drive car, travel, get pension, work, get medical services - emergency excluded etc.) without existing paperwork or status. I think the big difference here is
a) you get a lot from the public part, its not only a pain in the ass (think when do you need your driver's license - usually not fun).
b) the system is somewhat secure for citicens - the identity tfeft is practically impossible compared to usa.

And of course current moves towards the draft and other us actions are kind of scary - this makes me very well understand why an american would not like to have a line in the list.
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Unread postby Daculling » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 10:27:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kerosene', 'A')nd of course current moves towards the draft and other us actions are kind of scary - this makes me very well understand why an american would not like to have a line in the list.

That should'nt be an issue. All males 18 and over must be registered with "Selective Services." If you don't register by some time period after 18 you can be toss in prison. This is our military draft system which is still in existance and ready to be put in effect. Now, I know people who are not registered and they don't toss you in prison but forget getting a goverment job or security clearance if your not registered.
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Unread postby lowem » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 09:57:39

Singapore has had a national ID card for decades. We call it the NRIC - National Registration Identity Card. Over here, when you're born, you get an ID number on your birth certificate. The same number stays with you for life. When you're around 12, you get your NRIC card. And around 21 or so, you have to update the photo. When you die, the government collects the card back.
Here's a sample (not mine, obviously, lol) :
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At best, I think, it's a unique identifier. Computer science / engineering students or graduates should be familiar with the concept of OID, or Object ID. Only that the object in question is *you.* Sure, there're probably megabytes' worth in databases everywhere linking my NRIC number to me, from credit cards to library cards, to insurance coverage, car ownership and whatnot.

For the paranoid but believing-in-peak-oil readers, just think about how long all these computer, hard-drive based, complex systems are gonna last in a post-peak world, anyway, perhaps you might feel a little better. :lol: Remember Joseph Tainter's writings on complex societies? And T-101's (Arnold whatshisname lol) words - "One day, all this will be gone".

Fret all you like, but what can one do? 1. move to another place which doesn't have an ID system (and don't tell me Siberia or Timbuktoo), 2. cut all links with society and move deep in the countryside, or 3. join the Rebellion against the Empire? lol
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 10:02:57

I don't think peak oil will be a problem. That's why you have the rising police state. The elites have aren't just going to say one day, Oops, the oil ran out! Allowing panic and kaos occur.
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RFID chips

Unread postby kelee877 » Mon 05 Sep 2005, 18:36:19

I am watching them trying to re-unite the families from the hurricane and do you think that this will bring the RFID chip in a lot faster... Some of us beleive this is the mark of the beast, but if all of these people had and RFID chip it would be easier to re-ubite them..thoughts please...
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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby tivoli » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 11:50:34

Well, they have been microchipping dogs, cats, and horses for awhile...
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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby Doly » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 11:51:39

What is a RFID chip?
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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby Daculling » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 12:08:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'W')hat is a RFID chip?

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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby Doly » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 12:16:49

No, quite obviously credit cards are the sign of the beast.
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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 14:00:11

RFID chips in people? Where's Thomas Jefferson when you need him?

If they start putting those things in people, I'm moving. I'm not putting up with that kind of tyranny.
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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 14:14:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'R')FID chips in people? Where's Thomas Jefferson when you need him?
If they start putting those things in people, I'm moving. I'm not putting up with that kind of tyranny.

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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby MD » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 17:27:44

For those that haven't been paying attention:

[sermon]
"The beast" is the global system of commerce, specifically referring to the final global system responsible for the near destruction of the planet as its relentless consumption spirals exponentially out of control. "The mark" is the final means by which the system controls its subjects. Those unwilling to take "the mark" will not be allowed to operate within the system.

The speculation is that the final economic structure will be a world wide monetary system following the collapse of the dollar that will operate entirely through electronic transfer with implants(the mark)[/sermon]

by the way, I first heard this sermon in 1978. Identity theft is a primary driver towards implant use.
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Re: RFID chips

Unread postby kelee877 » Wed 07 Sep 2005, 15:17:50

Well worded MD thank you
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RFID - No chip, no work

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 03:18:08

The implications of this are just downright scary. Now, the article does state RFID implants are not required to maintain employment, but that by not having them you arent allowed access to the data canter......Well, what if your job is IN the data center?! Click

Company requires RFID injection Published: 2006-02-10
Two employees have been injected with RFID chips this week as part of a new requirement to access their company's datacenter.
Cincinnati based surveillance company CityWatcher.com created the policy with the hopes of increasing security in the datacenter where video surveillance tapes are stored. In the past, employees accessed the room with an RFID tag which hung from their keychains, however under the new regulations an implantable, glass encapsulated RFID tag from VeriChip must be injected into the bicep to gain access, a release from spychips.com said on Thursday.
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Re: RFID - No chip, no work

Unread postby fossil_fuel » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 03:20:03

is it just a coincidence, or do you get content for many of your topics from arfcom?

i'm surfing these two forums at the same time, and every time i see an interesting article posted on arfcom, you post it here about 3 minutes later... :-D
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Re: RFID - No chip, no work

Unread postby aflatoxin » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 03:24:07

This was on Slashdot as well. I think a pellet gun loaded with these RFID tags would be just the thing at a riot-not.
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Re: RFID - No chip, no work

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 03:26:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fossil_fuel', 'i')s it just a coincidence, or do you get content for many of your topics from arfcom? i'm surfing these two forums at the same time, and every time i see an interesting article posted on arfcom, you post it here about 3 minutes later... :-D

I get alot of them off ATOT as well. You ARE an ATOT member right?
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Re: RFID - No chip, no work

Unread postby fossil_fuel » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 03:42:00

what's ATOT?
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Re: RFID - No chip, no work

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 03:47:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fossil_fuel', 'w')hat's ATOT?

Begone peasant. :p anandtech.com -> off topic. ATOT.
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