[Kickinthegob]

Hmmm, excellent to hear the US will not force people to accept chip implants for less than 10 thousand dollars a piece! Here is a story from up here in Canada City to track employees by computer
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ity officials are insisting a plan to use a global positioning system to track blue-collar workers is not an attempt to spy on them. ... Some city employees' work habits made headlines recently when it was revealed that they spent most of their shifts on coffee break and aimlessly driving around the city.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rvijay', 'N')o more reason to fear RFID chips, tagging, monitoring.

[rvijay]

More Than 9,000 Fugitives Caught in a Week: link
This seems very interesting. 9000 is a huge number. How to track them all? RFID, of course! But wait a minute, can't we all be accused of something and then tagged ?

[MacG]

The great RFID hacking game is shaping up. RFID will be a geyser of joy for all criminals out there...
link

[ironborne]

I thought this was old news too. Alex Jones and the AP news have been talking about it for months. I am still laughing about what The Turtle said. Would it BE possible to have a thread that doesn't talk about silver or gold. What Dukat_Reloaded said makes some sense but we need to expand it to say that "if two peakers are in the woods.. are they discussing silver?"

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', ' ')But what is the most outrageous, is that the phones can also be used as listening devices. Someone monitoring us can, if they choose, listen in when we talk to our co-workers at our desks. This is the truth; a manager showed that function to us not long after we had the new phones installed. Perhaps he had an attack of conscience?

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's safe to predict that if there ever comes a time when government tries to mandate everyone get injected with chips, armed revolt will break out the next day.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') think they will just have to spin it right. They could have gotten something like this in if they'd done it at the height of the 911 scare. IF they threaten the masses enough they'd sell their mothers, just for the chance to be one of the ones who survive this.

[ironborne]

I'm with alot of people in the thought that I won't let them do it to me. I recently came across some information that "they" are trying to put chips in all farm animals; goats, poultry, horses, etc. for the purpose of tracking. The article said that the chips would be trackable by satellite and would impact homesteaders the most, thats us. By us I mean the us whose short range plans include obtaining animals for meat.

[strider3700]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', ' ')Seems to me like they are indifferent of any type of consumer backlash.

[strider3700]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ironborne', 'T')he article said that the chips would be trackable by satellite and ...

[RonMN]

it really wouldnt have to be by satalite...the chip could be scanned every time you enter a store with "shoplifting security sensors"...or a tollbooth, airport metal detector, ATM...hell, even a small box mounted on a highway overpass could probably do the job.

[ironborne]

I admit I found the story on a conspiracy site but tagging animals to find out who is buying and selling would be another gov't control. The site said that the tags were being pushed by "Big Agriculture"

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ironborne', 'I') admit I found the story on a conspiracy site but tagging animals to find out who is buying and selling would be another gov't control. The site said that the tags were being pushed by "Big Agriculture"

[ironborne]

The sins of Halliburton would require its own forum. Shh don't tell'em I said that.

[MountainHiker]

With any luck all of this foolishness with RFID chips will greatly expedite the development and expansion of the underground economy of the Post Peak world. I believe this is a good thing. Personally, I'll avoid employment in these RFID "high-tech" prisons. After spending a year in the self-important high tech world, I want nothing to do with any of it. Move to transactions in cash, bartering or silver coins, etc... whenever possible. Staying in the system just means they skim more and more from you to support the politician parasites and their corporate masters.

Like all things that require a higher level of order, RFID chips will require a lot of energy to avoid devolving into chaos. This is just the thing hackers thrive on. It'll be interesting to watch, hopefully from the sidelines.

[gg3]

Bingo! Mountainhiker scores!

Underground economy: exactly.

That also means no taxes paid. Not as the primary effect, but as a side effect.

Actually I'd like to see this: Covert ranchers operating covert cattle farms, and paying exactly the correct amount of tax but claiming it from different (non-cattle) sources of income. That would be interesting.

One could also cite a religious objection to "the mark of the Beast." Not an objection to properly tracking one's own cattle, of course, just an objection to the detestible RFID tags. Develop a different technology, which could be as simple as tattooing a bar code on each animal, and then force the issue in court. Back it up with a decent sized armed militia who would simply stand at attention outside the court building each day the trial was in progress.

Yes, it is getting to that point.

[PrairieMule]

I'll 2nd GG3's comments-

Well put MT! On the subject of underground economy for ranchers. I see it happening all the time with timber on the property. A 20-30 year old Loblolly pine tree goes for $50-100 and a mature oak will go for $25.

Frequently labor is traded under the table with "Pulpwooders"(Independent loggers) in exchange for timber, as long as no one clear cuts. Example: I want a 1/4 acre cleared to build a cabin, the pulpwooder crew comes in and in 3 hours they have $500 in timber the land owner now has saved the cost of "Hiring a crew" and may get some dozer work done for free by the pulpwooder crew on another part of the property.

I'd like to see the Goverment try to chip all the trees.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith any luck all of this foolishness with RFID chips will greatly expedite the development and expansion of the underground economy of the Post Peak world. I believe this is a good thing. Personally, I'll avoid employment in these RFID "high-tech" prisons.