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Trader's Corner 2006

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Where will the price of WTIC oil be on December 29, 2006?

Less than $50
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Around $55
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Around $60
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Around $65
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Around $70
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More than $80
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 08:49:34

Sorry no comments here. Kind of a nothing day. Tried to sell short last night near the close, but instead of getting a surge higher to sell into at the close, it dropped, so my thoughts of where I could get short turned out to be too ambitious. Too bad. It is lower today. Better short with something in the $70-71 range than $68-69.

With copper hitting a high and a 3-4 day long weekend (US/UK) coming up, it is hard to see the market aggressively selling off today, but will stay with the charts, which tell me at the moment to be short on the hourly until proven wrong. Will keep a tight stop loss and likely get chopped around once NY comes in as they test both sides to find the direction of least resistance.

Here is something interesting from the FED:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The study projects a slower pace of workforce growth than most economists now forecast, suggesting the economy can't keep growing at the present-day pace without generating pressure for higher wages and inflation. To prevent that, the Fed will have to enforce a lower speed limit on the economy by pushing up interest rates.

The study suggests that growth over the next 10 years will average less than 3 percent, instead of the 3.3 percent of the last decade, economists said. A 0.3 percentage point difference in growth in the $12 trillion U.S. economy translates into $360 billion over 10 years, equal to the size of Switzerland's economy. Payroll gains, which averaged 200,000 a month in the 1990s, may be half that.


`Revolutionary' Fed Study Has Economists Rethinking Forecasts
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 09:07:03

Mr. Bill,

I have BTU and also ACI (as far as coal stocks). I've also bought some rail stocks, as coal is transported by rail. Our rail capacity is maxed out in the States.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 09:17:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'M')r. Bill,

I have BTU and also ACI (as far as coal stocks). I've also bought some rail stocks, as coal is transported by rail. Our rail capacity is maxed out in the States.


Thanks Seahorse. Guess I will just have to time my entry with the underlying price of crude, if we see a significant pullback in this rally? In any case, found some missing barrels of oil for you:

Texas Oil Buffoon Pumping 8,000 Barrels Of Oil Into Ground Every Day

That is at least 8K bpd now I just need to find the other 1.5-2.0 mbpd?
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 14 Apr 2006, 03:19:25

A very strong close the trading week ahead of the Easter weekend. It is very rare that the market does exactly what you would expect it to, and that is close strong ahead of a long weekend, as normally when everyone is expecting the same thing to happen, the market does the opposite. This time it did what it was expected to do. Hmm?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')thers watch the price charts, looking at particular patterns for clues on how to play the market on any given day. But these chartists might just as well gaze at the stars to predict the next move, their critics say.

Technical analysis: predicting the unpredictable

So here we are June WTI and Brent are both over $70.00 now. WTI closed right at the high from last August in the wake of Hurricane Katerina when the markets were close to panic, and the IEA felt compelled to release SPR stocks to calm the market. And now here we are again, as calm as though we had just crossed an imaginary line with no meaning like $30, $40, $50, $60 and now $70. I must say the market is taking it in stride.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n influx of fresh fund buying and geopolitical worries will most likely push oil prices to new record highs soon, analysts said on Tuesday, while the most bullish predicted prices to eventually climb to $100 a barrel.

Supply concerns in Nigeria, Iran and other key oil-producing countries have ignited U.S. crude prices, up 13 percent this year and within $2 of the all-time record high of $70.85, reached in late August 2005 in the wake of hurricane damage in the United States.

Analysts predicted the market to rally even further as high oil prices have failed to reduce global demand.

Oil prices likely to surge to new record highs
And not just oil, copper also had a good day, and overall the metals are well supported. If comments by the FED can be taken at face value, then I think commodities and energy may have a way to go if the FED is nearing the end of its rate tightening cycle with so much inflationary pressure still in the pipeline?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') April 13 (Reuters) - Federal Reserve Governor Mark Olson said on Thursday monetary policy has reached the level policy-makers had previously considered neutral, suggesting the Fed was close to ending its long campaign of interest-rate increases.
"For 15 meetings in a row we have raised the target rate one-quarter of a point, and we have now reached the point that we had previously identified as neutral," Olson said in response to a question following a speech at the University of Arkansas in Little Rock.
"In our description of our decision at the last meeting we did indicate that some additional tightening may be required, but we also were quite careful to say that that would be dependent on the information that comes in," he added.
Olson also said the Fed was closely watching commodity price increases to gauge whether there would be a pass-through to underlying inflation, but he said policy-makers did not use a basket of commodities to determine monetary policy.


This can be best evidenced by the 10-year UST that has seen yields march higher to 5.045% now, and the overall US yield curve is now fully back in contango erasing its inverted status, which caused so much concern about a possible recession just around the corner. The benchmark 10-year UST is used as a marker for many other interest rates, so this will have ripple effects on all sorts of debt classes, raising the cost of variable rate mortgages and the cost of corporate borrowing.

I am a bit concerned about the strength of the dollar. Despite high commodity prices and lower US bond prices, the dollar has remain steady at $1.2100 against the euro and 118/119 yen. However, several comments coming from China may have an impact on the dollar going forward.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')With this promise of yet another strong year, the G7 will most likely opt to reiterate its long-standing, three-way prescription to cure the underlying imbalances.

These, in essence, are steps to boost U.S. government and household savings, reforms to stimulate European and Japanese domestic demand and currency flexibility in China and emerging Asia nations.

The problem is no country has committed to immediate steps toward these goals and neither China, nor any other emerging economic power in Asia or elsewhere, is a member of the group.

It is not difficult to see why few expect any grand bargain akin to 1985's Plaza Accord to weaken the dollar and thus reduce then-rising U.S. trade deficits
G7 Club increasingly marginalized/irrelevant

First Chinese foreign exchange reserves have hit a record $875.10 billion surpassing even Japanese reserves in size. And more and more we are reading comments by Chinese economists and officials that China may have reached what they perceive as optimal exposure to the US dollar, and are therefore looking at alternatives to building-up even larger reserves, with all their distorting side effects not the least of which are huge global financial imbalances, especially between the USA and China.

Some of the ideas trotted out recently by the Chinese have been to use some of those reserves (or future reserves) to re-capitalize Chinese state banks ahead of partial privatization and the opening of the Chinese banking sector to foreign competition; to use reserves to buy crude to fill China's own SPR; and to buy more gold as a natural hedge against a falling US dollar. However, as crude and gold are at high nominal levels right now, one has to question their market timing, and keep in mind that Chinese officials have a knack for losing money in commodity and currency markets which has ended the career/life of more than one Chinese official.


Secondly, it was announced that Chinese citizens may now be able to buy foreign assets. Individuals will be allowed to convert yuan deposits with banks to invest abroad in offshore bonds and equities. An outflow of foreign currencies can ease pressure on the yuan to appreciate, but also remove excess money from domestic money markets, which has been fuelling over investment in some Chinese sectors not in need of a boost due to over capacity in any case. This also shifts the currency risk to individuals and away from the central bank.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') China relaxed its capital controls on Friday to make it much easier for individuals and companies to buy foreign currencies and invest abroad.

The move will permit President Hu Jintao to tell President Bush when they meet next Thursday that China has made another notable move toward a market-driven exchange rate
China frees up overseas investment by banks, funds

This may cause a serious problem for the US as well. Theoretically, it does not matter whether the PBOC or the people buy US treasuries, but the PBOC is understandably more risk adverse. Individuals may prefer riskier assets that hold the promise of higher returns, similar to what they might expect in a fast growing Chinese economy and shun US treasuries for something spicier. If they are allowed to invest in foreign funds and equities some of that money (maybe more) might also find its way back into booming commodity markets. The Chinese understand gold as an asset class to be sure. They may see China's demand for copper as a natural investment as well. Certainly, as they see domestic gasoline and diesel prices rising they will think energy investments as well.

Net/net that may mean significantly less demand for US treasuries just as the US trade, budget and current account deficits all reach epic proportions in real and relative terms. This may cause the US dollar to weaken. Which would of course have knock-on effects on energy and commodity prices denominated in dollars as well.

I must say this is a cagey move on behalf of China ahead of meetings with US officials in April. It would be quite ironical if US demands that China liberalize their foreign exchange policy, and open their markets to greater competition from foreign banks, funds and insurance companies, resulted in China buying fewer US treasuries driving-up interest rates and weakening the US dollar just at the time when America needs the money to fund their deficits the most, and as the Fed reaches what they felt were neutral rates for the economy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he brisk sell-off in bonds may take the yield on benchmark U.S. Treasury notes to as high as 5.5 percent this quarter, strategists said, particularly now that a key psychological level has been breached.

The 10-year yield moved decisively above 5 percent on Thursday to its highest level in nearly four years and will probably continue to rise on the prospects for economic growth, interest-rate hikes and elevated commodities prices.

Treasury benchmark may see 5.5 percent

As has been noted, the Fed controls short-term rates as lender of last resort, but they do not control long-term rates. US long bonds are not looking like a very attractive investment right now, if one has to take currency risk on the US dollar as well. The US had better hope that the Arabs still have an appetite for US assets with their petrol-dollars going forward.

Well, I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter (or Passover as the case may be). I am off next week to Egypt, back on April 24th. Have a nice weekend and speak to you then. Cheers.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Sun 16 Apr 2006, 09:40:16

Ah, the Sudan's & Chad's of the world are catching onto Iran's & Nigeria's game of oil as a weapon in all disputes. Asymetrical warfare. This makes the topside the path of least resistance. The UN, World Bank, & IMF? Totally irrelevant going forward.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Chad's oil minister threatened Saturday to shut down a pipeline delivering oil to the international market unless a dispute with the World Bank is settled in the country's favor.
Mahamat Hassan Nasser told the Associated Press that Chad wanted the World Bank to release $125 million in oil royalties held in an escrow account in London.
The World Bank has suspended the payments when Chad used a portion of earlier proceeds for military purposes, which violated a bilateral agreement.
Chad export 160,000 barrels per day.
The government of President Idriss Deby needs weapons to combat rebels who unsuccessfully attacked the capital N'Djamena on Thursday.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Sun 16 Apr 2006, 09:45:48

From Market Watch. Some good points, but not all.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')RROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- Behavioral finance took center stage a few years ago when the Nobel Prize for Economics went to a psychologist. Behavioral finance is the psychology of investment decisions, a science that shows investors are irrational. The award should have killed off Wall Street's myth of the "rational investor."

Unfortunately, investors are still asleep: Most investors don't realize they're in denial. They still assume they're making rational investment decisions. Worse yet, most investors are not only clueless about being irrational, they're clueless about being clueless.

There are three reasons for this ongoing psychology of denial. First, many investors hate being irrational. Their weak egos need the myth of rationality. Second, Wall Street loves having investors trapped in the myth. A clueless investor is easy to manipulate when it comes to fees and commissions. The third reason is that most behavioral-finance books are dull, boring texts filled with jargon and cryptic formulas.

So here's my quickie 10-question behavioral-finance quiz. Maybe it'll help you become a little more aware of how you're trapped in denial, playing an irrational game which is controlled by Wall Street and your friendly fund industry. They write the rules and fix the odds in their favor, like a Vegas casino.

Here we focus on historical realities, avoiding short-term quarterly-report nonsense. Here are 10 facts Wall Street would rather you continue denying. These 10 facts will reveal the intensity of your denial. See how many of the 10 you can accept.

1. Regardless of the facts, you cannot admit failure

What causes failure? "Confronting Reality" co-authors Larry Bossidy, former Honeywell CEO, and management guru Ram Charan say: "The greatest consistent damage to businesses and their owners is the result not of poor management but of the failure, sometimes willful, to confront reality." Same with investors and governments.

2. The market loves making fools of everybody
Ask yourself: Does 2006 look good because the first quarter closed with the best gain since 1999? Or is it a sucker's rally? History's more important than quarterly reports. Looking back six years the market's a loser: the DJIA, Nasdaq and S&P 500 are still below 2000's record highs. In "Stocks for the Long Run" Jeremy Siegel studied history, the biggest up and down days from 1801 to 2000. His conclusion: Markets are random. There's no rationale for 75% of the moves that trigger most long-term gains or losses. Investing is unpredictable.

3. Optimism is the investor's worst nightmare

Morningstar put together some long-term price-to-earnings ratios for us: All nine fund categories and eight sectors, about 10,000 funds. Why focus on P/E ratios? Yale economist Robert Shiller did in "Irrational Exuberance," the psychological profile of 1990s mania. P/E ratios reflect optimism, your worst nightmare. Long-term, P/Es are still high. They've been under 15 most of the last century and peaked at 44.3 in 2000. They spiked over 15 twice before, once in the 1920s before the Great Depression. Again in the 1960s bull, before an 18-year sideways market. Today P/Es are 21.4, below the peak but still deceptively high. Are you overly optimistic?

4. America is like an addict who can't stop
In "American Mania: When More is Not Enough," psychiatrist Peter Whybrow says we're addicts; "more" really is never enough. Our savings rate is below zero so we borrow $67 billion a month to feed our addictive consumerism. We're insatiable, only crashing will stop us. If you're not saving 10%, you're spending too much.

5. Kids will rebel against their out-of-control elders
Kids rioting over labor laws in France; immigration in America. More ahead! In "The Coming Generational Storm," economists Larry Klotnikoff and Scott Burns warn us about the massive debt we're piling on our kids: Social Security, Medicare, government deficits, trade debt, corporate pensions, mortgages, credit cards. Our kids will rebel against the $70 trillion legacy created by today's reckless out-of-control spenders.

6. We're selling our power to Asia and the world
Thomas Friedman warns: "The World is Flat." And getting flatter and more competitive as the global playing field levels, according to "Three Billion New Capitalists: The Great Shift of Wealth & Power to The East." Back in his 1997 "Megatrends Asia," John Naisbitt predicted: "the 21st Century belongs to Asia." Our egos still can't accept that we're giving away our power, mortgaging our future, selling key assets, self-sabotaging.

7. Failure to plan for crises guarantees failure
In "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed," geologist Jared Diamond shows that throughout history surviving cultures are always the ones that focus on long-term planning, well in advance of crises. Failed societies are the ones whose leaders "focus only on issues likely to blow up in a crisis within the next 90 days." Sounds like Wall Street's fixation with quarterly earnings or Washington rebuilding Category 3 hurricane-resistant levees.

8. 'Greed is still very good" ... for Wall Street
Vanguard founder Jack Bogle confronted the toxicity of greed in his "Battle for the Soul of Capitalism." So does Yale Portfolio creator David Swenson in "Unconventional Success." The problem is obvious: Despite all the scandals, Wall Street is sinking deeper into a culture of greed, where investors come second. And unfortunately, Washington and Corporate America back Wall Street, not you.

9. God, oil and skyrocketing debt don't mix
Former Republican strategist Kevin Phillips' new "American Theocracy" examines the rise and fall of great nations. Rome, Britain and others lost power following a convergence of three trends: diminishing resources, ballooning debt and militant religions. The mix creates a blind obsession for world domination, which ultimately self-destructs. Are we in denial, or is he?

10. You can't trust 'them,' they're lying to you
Here's a survival manual once you admit you're clueless and decide to get out of denial. Begin with this assumption: You cannot trust anyone out there, not Wall Street, not Washington, not cable, not ads, nobody. "They" are all trying to control your mind, spinning and lying all day. Skepticism wins. To survive, make "you" No. 1. Seth Godin's "All Marketers Are Liars" has a powerful yet inspiring message about focusing energies. It will change the way you think about reality, and the way you invest.
What's your score? Anything less than eight and you're definitely clueless, trapped in denial, clueless about being clueless ... and easily manipulated by Wall Street.

If you do see what's going on, then you can choose to either get out of denial and use the new concepts of behavioral finance to your advantage or continue letting Wall Street spin your cluelessness against you.

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby shakespear1 » Sun 16 Apr 2006, 09:46:23

Looks like this card will be played a lot in the future for all kind of reasons. 8)
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby mefistofeles » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 04:26:51

I've been watching the Nymex prices for weeks and this sudden jump form $61 to $70 is frightening. I wonder if this is truly the moment that the world understands what peak oil is. Here are some frightening facts that support current and future price increases:

1. Militants plan more attacks in Nigeria
2. IEA increased its consumption projections
3. GLOBAL OIL and OPEC output is down versus last month.
4. Russian output growth will be pathetic that .
5. Iran continues to expand its nuclear program
6. Iraq continues its metamorphisis into "Arabslavia"

I look at the Nymex in order to see how my funds are doing for my clients. The expanded session data is pretty scary too we're in contango until the start of 2009. Although I don't believe the price of oil will go up forever if you run a two or three year graph of NYMEX prices there is a definite upward slope. From the point view of buying funds no matter how "high" the price oil may have appeared these last few years it was always better to buy than hold off.

I guess for those of us who work in the investment community its time to something that may be considered both dangerous but prudent in the light of the current market: invest our clients heavily in energy.

We are riding a tiger and if lose our nerve and get off it will surely devour us.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 06:02:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', 'I')'ve been watching the Nymex prices for weeks and this sudden jump form $61 to $70 is frightening. I wonder if this is truly the moment that the world understands what peak oil is. Here are some frightening facts that support current and future price increases:

1. Militants plan more attacks in Nigeria
2. IEA increased its consumption projections
3. GLOBAL OIL and OPEC output is down versus last month.
4. Russian output growth will be pathetic that .
5. Iran continues to expand its nuclear program
6. Iraq continues its metamorphisis into "Arabslavia"

I look at the Nymex in order to see how my funds are doing for my clients. The expanded session data is pretty scary too we're in contango until the start of 2009. Although I don't believe the price of oil will go up forever if you run a two or three year graph of NYMEX prices there is a definite upward slope. From the point view of buying funds no matter how "high" the price oil may have appeared these last few years it was always better to buy than hold off.

I guess for those of us who work in the investment community its time to something that may be considered both dangerous but prudent in the light of the current market: invest our clients heavily in energy.

We are riding a tiger and if lose our nerve and get off it will surely devour us.


Ah, but that is the hack. The risk of those events, or confluence of events, coming together was just as great 1, 2, 3, 5 years ago. It is only that high prices get investors' attention and, as the saying goes, money comes to money.

The wide contango in the market tells me that those buy & hold investors who are in it for the long-run that buy futures or indices at these levels will likely lose money in the long-run.

The high prices are not a result of the concept of peak oil taking root, but of investor money coming into the market via funds. Fresh money equals fresh longs. So long as you have ever expanding long positions, you will force the price higher, which has nothing to do with supply and demand.

However, as the market is in contango, the longs always have to sell the front month at maturity and invest in the second futures month. If there is adequate supply, and so far there has been, then the physical market is not in need of product and therefore producers/refiners are being paid full carry to store crude for later. The long only speculator is paying these physical players to store that crude. They are paying for the interest, insurance and cost of storage.

In otherwords, there is limited storage for crude in the system or in transit no matter how many longs there are in the future's market. It would be a serious problem if they are took delivery at once due to storage constraints!

That means each month they roll their position over they pay away roughly $1.50 based on the May/June WTI today.

Due to special factors due to the changeover from MTBE to ethanol blends of gasoline is the May/June unleaded spread in backwardation. However, for the first 4-futures month of the year this was not the case.

So the buy & hold investor who thinks futures prices will continue to move higher needs to buy 6, 9, 12 months forward, pay away the cost of carry, and hope the price when we get there will be higher than the price they paid? Say, $73.00 for October versus $69.75 in May or $3.25 for 5-months, which is cheaper than rolling 5 x $1.50 from the front month to the 2nd month or $7.50.

However, most speculators are afraid to lock-in high future month prices today and instead keep their longs in the front month. But until you have an actual physical shortage in the cash market, the front month will likely stay in contango for the rest of the year. Let's us say you bought at $60 on January 1st, that means that at $1 per month roll-over (less than right now, less than the widest point, less than the cheapest roll-over so far) then by December 31st their break even point will be somewhere around $72 (plus commissions and opportunity costs in other investments/strategies). If they buy today at $70 then their breakeven in 12-months will be closer to $82.

At some point they are forced into a market timing decision. Buy and sell while in profit or hold on longer and hope the market gains will outstrip the cost of carry? Or buy forwards, pay the cost of carry upfront, and hope that by the time we reach their point in the future, say 6, 9, 12 months, that the current month's future price will be higher?

In this scenario, that is admittedly full of what if assumptions, it may be better to buy oil company shares, which are not cheap, but one assume that if they can make money with crude at $60 that they should also be making profits at $72 or $82 as well? However, I suppose that depends on what kind of multiples you have to pay to buy oil company shares at the moment?

My feeling here is that we may see $57-63 in the front month on a nasty correction if the world does not blow-up on schedule? Time to shake some weak longs out of the market. Maximum pain for limited gain. It may seem impossible right now, but who would have predicted the correction lower that we saw post-Katerina when there were real supply interuptions versus now where the supply interuptions are mostly upstream and not affecting storage numbers in the consuming regions?

I do not know. One OPEC member said today that the price of oil was too high, but OPEC was powerless to do anything about it. There you go. Mr. Frog's Wild Ride! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby smiley » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 15:46:25

As you said the oil market isn't as emotional as the gold market due to the fact that one cannot store a tanker in ones basement. If you look at the fundamentals there is reason for high prices. The oil glut that is so often portrayed in the media does not exist. Oil production has not moved in the past 2 years.

That said there is a certain risk premium to the price, which is fueled by speculators. But even that risk premium seems to be fully justifiable. The oil market is in no shape to handle a large disruption. So as long as the US keeps locking horns with Iran and Venezuela, that risk and thus the premium will be there.

Barring any spectacular events, I don't think we see a large correction, a correction to $62 perhaps, but $53-60 seems wishful thinking to me. Past years I heard a lot of traders venomously predicting an imminent and sharp correction of $15 and more. They lost a lot of money as their turbo's bit them in the nose.

Besides, the market has a knack of doing the exact opposite of what the majority of people seem to think :-)
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby cube » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'P')ast years I heard a lot of traders venomously predicting an imminent and sharp correction of $15 and more. They lost a lot of money as their turbo's bit them in the nose.
Me thinks those traders aren't trading anymore. The futures market is wonderfully efficient at killing off traders who make bad decisions.

tosses in 2 barrels of oil:

I agree with Mr.Bill ....a correction is under way, unless the world blows up. However much like the Iranian oil bourse it seems that a "preemptive strike" or a "preventive war" war will be put on hold for now. :P
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby highfructose » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 02:24:10

Oil could easily correct back to its trendline at around 60-62 without anything major happening.

Since I just got back in after oil was able to clear 70 let's not have any shaking out of weak hands until about 78, okay?
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby gt1370a » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 03:05:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'm')ay seem impossible right now, but who would have predicted the correction lower that we saw post-Katerina when there were real supply interuptions versus now where the supply interuptions are mostly upstream and not affecting storage numbers in the consuming regions?


Actually there was a guy on here named "richardmmm" who immediately after Katrina gave the advice "buy on rumor/sell on news." I thought he was full of it and argued with him (he had also said some stuff about abiotic oil before), but he was right. Of course, the reason for the price drop was the use of emergency stockpiles, which could have been predictable I guess but I don't know if that was his basis. Anyway, I have read that one trader, I think it was somebody from Fimat or one of those oft-quoted groups, said that after the next major supply disruption he expects a huge price drop due to coordinated conservation measures globally.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby Doly » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 03:39:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gt1370a', 'A')nyway, I have read that one trader, I think it was somebody from Fimat or one of those oft-quoted groups, said that after the next major supply disruption he expects a huge price drop due to coordinated conservation measures globally.


When he says "after", how long afterwards do you think he's talking about? I ask because something like conservation measures normally take some time to implement.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby Marklar » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 22:53:29

doesnt have to be all that long if you think about it. speculators have pushed it up over $10 in one month on the chance that oil supplies might drop due to Iran halting exports. When its apparent that there is no imminent threat to supplies and/or a massive conservation effort is underway it would be the bears turn to take the hotseat
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby cube » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 19:26:25

*blink blink*

Was that a "spinning top" I just saw combined with an RSI = 75?

I'm looking forward to tomorrow friday. Hopefully my "suspicions" will be confirmed.

*takes a sip of some <b>strong</b> coffee* I don't know about you guys but I don't plan on getting much sleep tonight if you know what I mean. :wink:
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby kochevnik » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 20:00:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')My feeling here is that we may see $57-63 in the front month on a nasty correction if the world does not blow-up on schedule? Time to shake some weak longs out of the market. Maximum pain for limited gain. It may seem impossible right now, but who would have predicted the correction lower that we saw post-Katerina when there were real supply interuptions versus now where the supply interuptions are mostly upstream and not affecting storage numbers in the consuming regions?


Except that we've ALREADY had this nasty correction - we bounced off of $56-$62 six times (depending on how you're counting) since Katrina and each time it has been higher lows. This one look like a push to a new trading range to me - I would guess $68 to $82 if I had to put money on it (and I have).

I also think it is quite clear that Bush will eventually pull the trigger on Iran - he has nothing left to lose as a lameduck with a 33 percent approval rating - he'll get tired of being spit in the face by the Iranian president time and time again. The Iran operation will come no later than fall 2007 (wouldn't want to do it in the election year of 2008) and could come as early as fall 2006 - (right after Bush's annual Crawford vacation). I see the chance of Iran backing down as almost nil so the odds are quite good for a serious break much much higher sometime in the next 12-18 months.

IMO, absent bird flu, a total capitulation by Iran, we will never see sub $60 oil EVER again.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby joewp » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 23:19:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '
')IMO, absent bird flu, a total capitulation by Iran, we will never see sub $60 oil EVER again.


I quite agree. Another thing that tells me there's a supply problem is that the buyers lately are seeming to wait until after lunch to come into the market. They seem to be hoping for a big morning sell-off so they can get a bargain, but it never is enough and they run the price up.

Anyone who shorts this market is crazy. [smilie=bduh.gif]
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby mefistofeles » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 08:50:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') quite agree. Another thing that tells me there's a supply problem is that the buyers lately are seeming to wait until after lunch to come into the market. They seem to be hoping for a big morning sell-off so they can get a bargain, but it never is enough and they run the price up.

Anyone who shorts this market is crazy.


I have to agree wholeheartedly. Although I haven't been using the NYMEX for very long I have NEVER seen a pattern like this where oil prices fail to consolidate and keeping on moving up day after day for three weeks.

Personally I think the very fear of scarcity with a few constraints in actual supply will push the prices to levels that even some of us on this site would have never dreamed of even at the begining of the year. Again I will saythat I think we are looking at peakoil play itself in the market itself and anyone who's spent more than ten minutes on this website probably understands what this means for oil prices and society in general.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ime to shake some weak longs out of the market. Maximum pain for limited gain.


I don't mean to be rude Mr. Bill but I think it is time to shake people out of this market but its not going to be the longs. Its difficult to see a correction until we have some price stability for at least a week.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 23 Apr 2006, 01:12:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '
')I don't mean to be rude Mr. Bill but I think it is time to shake people out of this market but its not going to be the longs. Its difficult to see a correction until we have some price stability for at least a week.


I actually agree with Mr Bill I think prices will retreat to mid to low 60's. Unless a war or sanctions break out or some other doomsday scenario.

Time will tell I'd give myseld a 2-3month time frame on the above predictions. Best.
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