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THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Postby bart » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 15:18:18

Peak oil is like any of the most important issues of the day -- ignored by the mainstream media -- or covered with spin to further the agendas of powerful interest groups.

If you are concerned about this, here are things you can do:

1. Search out good sources of information. They are out there, but you'll have to look farther than Fox, CNN and your local newspaper.

2. When you find good sources, SUPPORT THEM! Subscribe to them or send them contributions. If a reporter does a good job, send a letter to the editor complimenting her or him. Conversely, criticize poor coverage.

3. Submit good articles you've found to the websites who are tracking the Peak Oil issue, such as peakoil.com and energybulletin.net .

4. Write letters to the editor or Op-ed pieces for your local newspaper. Contribute to the newsletter/website of your professional, neighborhood, hobby or church group. For examples, see some of the articles tracked by peakoil.com or energybulletin.net.

In this period, the actions of individuals have the potential to be suprisingly influential.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Postby nero » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 18:39:17

I don't think peak oil and bird flu is a good comparison because bird flu is something new whereas oil depletion has been around ever since the 70s. Global warming is much more like peak oil. I'm amazed by how much air time global warming gets because it has been around almost as long as oil depletion. However global warming is going to have some interesting effects like the artic ice cap melting and that is what the main stream media likes to focus on. Oil depletion on the other hand while every bit as depressing as global warming only has one clear consequence -higher gas prices. There's only so many ways you can spin that story.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Postby aldente » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 09:41:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'B')ecause 4 billion people are not going to die.


As if death could be "discussed"!

That is an an ancient sport. The Greek did evaluate and "live"death (what an oxymoron). Somtimes I feel I'm on the wrong forum, then again, this board is exacely what addresses the "fundamental fear", that particular card that we've been dealt. People here are clever, if they know it or not, capacities! Brains!



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Note the "waveless" ocean in the background. Coincidence?
Conincidence with one of your random assosiacions? Does it all make sense or just seemingly make sense?
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Postby bobcousins » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 12:23:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '
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Note the "waveless" ocean in the background. Coincidence?
Conincidence with one of your random assosiacions? Does it all make sense or just seemingly make sense?


Albente, for your outstanding contributions to spouting nonsense and generally wasting bandwidth, I am pleased to present you with the following

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First Bird Flu Death in California!!

Postby erl » Mon 21 Nov 2005, 01:05:16

Anaheim, specifically. Click here
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Re: First Bird Flu Death in California!!

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 21 Nov 2005, 01:10:39

I liked this comment:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ahaha.
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Re: First Bird Flu Death in California!!

Postby The_Toecutter » Thu 24 Nov 2005, 21:22:30

The white Ford Bronco really does the trick. :twisted:
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bird flu in the news

Postby midnight-gamer » Thu 08 Dec 2005, 11:47:23

hello, i do not know if this was posted already. here is a link to a article about a man who is preping for bird flu: link
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Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby Barbara » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 17:31:09

Being in the EU, we're scared as hell for te bird flu at our doors.
Today I went to see another one of the endless farmhouses I'm currently examining to find the right one... and I've noticed, for the first time, how chickens are everywhere in the country. I mean, almost everyone has some chickens, rich and poor, farmers or city people on weekends.
All the bird flu outbreaks are hitting farm areas first, in the far East or in Turkey.
So I was asking myself: in the city there are no chickens. In the farm they're unavoidable. I know other birds too can spread the flu and so on, but being in the country is like to be "in the mouth of the lion", as we used to say.
I hate this thing of PO=farm, bird flu=city so you dunno what to do.
What do you think?
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby AmericanEmpire » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 17:39:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') hate this thing of PO=farm, bird flu=city so you dunno what to do.
What do you think?


Make your peace because when the shit hits the fan you could be a goner.
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby Barbara » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 17:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ake your peace because when the shit hits the fan you could be a goner.

Surely since you're a teenager you can't understand the worries of a parent.
Thanks anyway for the reply. :roll:

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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby Lokutus » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 18:06:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'S')urely since you're a teenager you can't understand the worries of a 6yo parent.

I knew kids were reaching puberty earlier these days, but I didn't know they could be parents at 6?! :80:
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby Eli » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 18:21:36

Well the bird flu right now is more of a threat to farmers, and if I lived on a farm anywhere near an infected country I would kill all of my chickens.

The country side will be a much better place than the city when bird flu goes human to human. When the shits hits the fan you won't have to worry about chickens being a threat it will be the people. If you were unfortunate enough to live in a high rise tenement building when it hits oh my you would be up shits creek.

Go live the simple life and raise sheep out in the countryside and take care of your kids. Let me ask you if bird flu was being transmitted human to human would you want to live in Rome?

Just read a report where the New Zealand prison bureau has decide that if it hits the prisons they are just going to walk away and tell the prisoners good luck until it blows over.
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby Ludi » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 18:38:51

Personally, I wouldn't give up my dream of living in the country because of bird flu. You don't have to raise poultry.
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby AmericanEmpire » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 18:41:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust read a report where the New Zealand prison bureau has decide that if it hits the prisons they are just going to walk away and tell the prisoners good luck until it blows over.

I guess when there's not enough food to go around post oil we will just let the prisoners starve. Or whats worse when the money to run them goes under they are just gonna release dangerouss criminals out into society.
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby smiley » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 19:01:21

Well considering the fact that still more people are killed on a yearly basis by falling coconuts (about 50 would you believe it?) I don't worry too much about it.

Sure the disease could mutate and turn into something very nasty, but so can the normal flu. In fact we are no more in danger (or no less) than 10 years ago. If you want to see a real killer look at malaria, killing thousands a day. But hey, it's not coming here and not threatening our chicken stew.

And let's look at it from the bright side. A little less poultry on the western diet would probably safe more lives from cardiac and vascular problems than the virus would take.

It is a pity for all those chickens though.
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Re: Bird flu: better city or country?

Postby Licho » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 19:27:03

When (if) bird flu goes human to human, it will be different virus, probably not so fatal. I would rather stay close to city, because of the advanced health care that can save your life if you catch it.
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"Bird flu -- How America's Wealthiest Investors Will Pr

Postby pedalling_faster » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 22:21:59

fresh from an investor website, the Motley Fool. "Bird FLU!
Why the real THREAT is to your MONEY!
An outbreak could kill 2 million and spur a massive economic "downturn." But don't be surprised if YOU didn't get the 234-page White House memo...

Government bigwigs don't have time to defend YOUR WEALTH against the bird flu or any other looming crisis. However, one strategy is PROVEN to protect you from the REAL threat of this global menace. (America's "old money" uses it -- shouldn't you?)

Good Afternoon Concerned Investor,
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On May 3, 2006, I received a brutally honest but fair assessment of a looming Avian flu pandemic. According to this foreboding report, H5N1 bird flu could deal a "war-like blow to the country's economic and social fabric." State and local governments are urged to "anticipate that all sources of external aid may be compromised," and prepare accordingly.

So, who's got OUR backs? Bear in mind, it wasn't some wacko nut job who launched this 234-page manifesto. No. It came straight from The White House. So, if you didn't receive the full report, you should know what the administration is (quietly) preparing us for. That's right, the U.S. government warns a full-blown bird flu pandemic could "have more impact than a terrorist attack or a hurricane and might be comparable in scope to a war."

Listed among the outcomes we must prepare for:
-Travel restrictions... They will have little effect controlling an outbreak, but could effectively cripple a global travel industry estimated at $622 billion.
-Mandatory quarantines... could snarl global commerce, while stoking "civil disturbances and breakdowns in public order" (again, according to The White House).
-Massive absenteeism... reaching a stunning 40%. Big deal? The oil industry reports that its refineries could not function if just 30% of workers were absent.
In short, we're talking about the perfect storm for a massive global economic slowdown, aggravated by "civil disturbances and breakdowns in public order."

(Hint: herein lies the REAL threat -- an outbreak could lay waste to our well-laid plans for financial independence. But don't worry, there's a simple solution just ahead!) And this report hit my desk before the World Health Organization (WHO) confirmed a "worrisome family cluster of human cases" of bird flu in Northern Indonesia. "There's a suggestion of human-to-human transmission," admits Dick Thompson, a WHO official on the ground in Indonesia, "and that is worrying."

Worrying, indeed! It's every "worried" citizen's worst nightmare. And rightfully so. Human-to-human transmission is how 70,000 Americans died of Asian flu in 1957. It's how the Spanish flu killed 50 million people in 1918.

Human to human transmission is exactly how 50 million Americans like you and me come down with the regular old annoying "flu" every year. The critical difference is that bird flu doesn't keep you in bed for a few days. No, it's fatal in 50% of cases in humans.

And I assure you: The fear of death WILL keep reasonable people HOME from work... OFF the roads... CLEAR of the airports... and OUT of the stores. That, my friend, is the REAL threat of bird flu to folks like us -- FEAR. It's a recipe for a stock market shock that could derail our retirement plans just when we need our money working its hardest!

No, I can't keep you from getting sick. Of course, you already knew that. The fact that you were chosen to receive this bulletin tells me you are wide awake, informed, and very likely successful. You'll take every precaution to protect yourself and your loved ones from the health threats of this menace.

Moreover, the doctors and nurses who look after us here in the U.S. are the best in the world -- in the history of the world. So, all things considered, your health and well-being are in good hands. It's your financial well-being that concerns me. Frankly, I'm concerned that like many other smart, hard-working investors I've advised this year, you may be skating on very thin ice, indeed.

Then again, talk is cheap. YOU need a solution. And because you're busy, it has to be simple-to-follow, yet powerful to defend your family's wealth no matter what the coming year brings. Well, you're about to discover that solution today... a simple strategy battle-tested personally by the world's savviest investors... and America's wealthiest "old money" families.

And here's the truly amazing part: When you put this wealth-building strategy to work for you, your family might escape the coming crisis WEALTHIER than ever. The one PROVEN way to stare down the bird flu -- and most any other global crisis" ... God, almost sounds like ... Bird Flu is on the Schedule for 2007.

my favorite part ==> "Bear in mind, it wasn't some wacko nut job who launched this 234-page manifesto. No. It came straight from The White House." ( as long as we pay our taxes on time, they let us run around without a straitjacket ? )

the rest of the financial prescription is to buy stocks that pay regular cash dividends. just one of the emails that you get if you register at the Motley Fool website. this one in particular reminds me of a Jon Stewart satire/ spoof.
http://www.LASIK-Flap.com/ ~ Health Warning about LASIK Eye Surgery
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Bird Flu -- stockpile enough for a month..or three..

Postby edpeak » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 01:17:19

Entire book on bird flu is online, free, http://birdflubook.com/

his newsletter recently had this section, reproduced below,
seemed woth sharing with others here..(referneces
are listed in the newsletter)

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IV. Stockpile Weeks of Essential Supplies

Whichever estimate one uses, 62 million deaths,[25] 150 million
deaths,[26] or 360 million deaths,[27] WHO flu coordinator Keiji Fukuda hit the nail: "Speculating about the possible numbers is an interesting exercise, but the really important thing is, what do we do about it?"

The advice on the CDC website http://www.pandemicflu.gov focuses on stockpiling weeks of essential supplies so that we can effectively
"shelter-in-place" during a pandemic. Like a snow emergency where we're told not to go out unless it's an emergency, we may be asked to self-isolate ourselves and our families in our homes until the danger passes. Although globally a pandemic might last 12 to 18 months, it is expected to come in waves, and in any particular locale, the wave may only last a few weeks, hence the CDC's recommendations. If we have to go out to the corner store to buy toilet paper or something during a pandemic, we may be bringing back more than just groceries to our families.

For how many weeks should we prepare, though? The U.S. State Department recently sent a cable out "to all diplomatic and consular posts" explaining that "current guidance notes that families should be prepared to 'shelter-in-place' for up to twelve weeks, and maintain sufficient food and water supplies to accommodate that entire period."[28] After flu bloggers pointed out the discrepancy between this three-month stockpiling recommendation and the two weeks cited by the Department of Health and Human Services,[29] the two month guideline inexplicably vanished from U.S. consulate websites.[30]

Robert Webster, arguably the world's leading bird flu expert, also
recommends three months. In a recent interview, he was asked what people could do to protect themselves before a vaccine were available. "If they have a house in the hills, then go for it--and stay there for three months. And have enough food there already so you can stay as far away from your neighbors as possible."[31]

To follow the State Department's advice to stockpile a gallon of fresh water per person per day in case of "complete infrastructure
breakdown,"[32] for a family of three that would involved storing a ton of water--literally. Webster has a better suggestion: "One bottle of Chlorox is enough to purify all the water you need out of the local
river."[33]

The recipe for water purification I give in my "Be Prepared" section (
http://birdflubook.com/a.php?id=103 ) recommends 10 drops of unscented liquid household chlorine bleach per quart (liter) of water. This admittedly is an oversimplification. Most "regular" chlorine bleach on the market is so concentrated (around 5% sodium hypochlorite), a mere 2 drops of fresh bleach should be sufficient for a quart of clear (and not overly cold) water. But there are 1% chlorine products on the market as well, requiring 10 drops. So instead of recommending everyone read the small print on the bottle and advise 1 drop per quart for 7 to 10% bleach, 2 drops for 4 to 6%, and 10 drops for 1%, I just tried to simplify wit see of these monthly updates, though, is to expand beyond the basics, particularly when it comes to concrete, practical measures families can take to prepare. Next update, I'll cover the ethics and particulars of obtaining and maintaining personal stashes of antiviral drugs such as
Tamiflu.
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Re: Bird Flu -- stockpile enough for a month..or three..

Postby Jellric » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 02:51:56

Save your money.

Elderberry. All natural and non-patentable.

Wonder why we seldom hear of it, hmm?
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