[ashurbanipal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')shurban supports the Creationists!

[iisthatwhichiis]

Hi, Bedevere,
You have written, "I suggest you do some reading."

Thanks for the reply. Thousands of years ago some pundit said that knowledge will increase. Another questioned, "What is truth?" A third said, "Much learning has made you mad." That is where I fit in.

A couple of centuries ago it was said that any decent scientist worth his salt could know everything worth knowing. Now there are so many specialties in which most individuals cannot even know all the details or conflicting theories of their craft. And most likely they know little outside of their specialty.

No matter what a person reads there will be many conflicting view points, and it is necessary to wade through much crap to find the truth, or at least close enough to the truth to work for you.

Despite our great increase in knowledge through the use of microscopes, radiology, CAT, MRI, research in DNA, etc. there is almost an infinite amount of information that we do not yet know about the human body. And even with telescopes, radio telescopes, infrared, and x-ray we still know little about this amazing universe we live in where there are theories about the “Big Bang,” “Multiple Big Bangs,” “Multiple Universes,” “Continuous Creation,” ad nauseam. None have been proven beyond dispute.

SETI on the one hand spends millions to look for the possibility of “life out there” while ignoring the overwhelming antidotes of contactees, adductees, UFOs, EBEs and other phenomena here on earth.

Many individuals have a vested interest in proving that they and they alone have a handle on “God” or their version of the truth and are unwilling to look at anything that will disagree with them.

And many so called scientists play with toys like nuclear bombs, microbiology, and other weapons of mass destruction which if unleashed could destroy the entire human race. Some pandora’s boxes should not be opened.

I haven’t time to continue and ultimately bore you to death, but, yes, I read.

Good luck on OUR search for the truth.

Peace.

[ashurbanipal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')eel free to answer any of the Left-Brained FAQ I posed to Monte.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow about the mind is it a closed system, why?

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ashurbanipal', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s the Galaxy a closed system, why?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ashurbanipal', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s the Galaxy a closed system, why?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '
')

I would also suggest similarities exist between cell structure and the structure of our earth.

I contend the Core is a mystery, but I do believe the Earth is capable of giving 'birth'.

I believe TIME does not exist in the Quantum Realm.

So of course an Ice Age occurred to me with tons of ice compressing life having been preceded by the molton waters beneath the firmament coming from within Mother Earth consuming her prideful, envious, greedy, sloth, lustful, gluttinous and angry children.

But I am still workin' on it.

[ashurbanipal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dam means man, also means earth as in soil, dust, clay. Carvings show god creating Adam on a potter's wheel (the highest technology for ages)

[ashurbanipal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ure happens a lot. Think gravity.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', ' ')
I stand corrected I think.
I googled nonequilbrium thermodynamics (leave out the hyphen you get more responses) and me the layman are still confused.

So please answer the following...

Is the Universe a closed system, why?

Is the Galaxy a closed system, why?

Is the Sun a closed system, why?

Is the Earth a closed system, why?
(are the 'greenhouse' gases helping 'close' the system?)

Is the human body a closed system, why?
(eg. constipated, gluttinous individual)

Is a cell a closed system, why?
Is a particle or anti-particle a closed system, why?
Are bosons or fermions closed systems, why?

How about the mind is it a closed system, why?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', ' ')P.s. Monte what do you think of my 'signature'?
Pardon me, I am such a hypocrite, Monte tell me how you feel about my signature?

[Bedevere]

Sorry if I offended, that wasn't my intention. I didn't mean to suggest that you aren't well-read because I have no idea about that. Sometimes I read over my own posts later and realize that I sounded like a real jerk. I just stick up for laws of nature. I am the physics police, if you will.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('iisthatwhichiis', '[')smilie=4robot.gif] Hi All,

This from a Lay ed back Man as you can get.

While the laws of thermodynamics still apply, there is one thing that goes against entropy. Life.

All life creates order out of chaos.

[whereagles]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')It also says the more complex we make our technology, the more energy transfers are required resulting in a increase in entropy. If we go the way of a techno-fix, we'll be having paint peeling everywhere. Even more maintenance and more energy required.

[nero]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whereagles', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ')

It also says the more complex we make our technology, the more energy transfers are required resulting in a increase in entropy. If we go the way of a techno-fix, we'll be having paint peeling everywhere. Even more maintenance and more energy required.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', ' ')This is a good interchange. I agree with whereagles. We are not anywhere near the thermodynamic limit on the complexity allowed in society therefore we can continue to increase in complexity. At some point in a Star Trek future perhaps we might reach a real limit on our complexity but that hasn't got anything to do with peak oil.

[pilferage]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I')ncreasing efficiency comes at a price; it creates even more entropy.

[whereagles]

MonteQuest: I think you're missing one thing here.

From your posts, I have the impression you think of entropy like some fixed quantity that comes out of a process whether you like it or not. Well, that's not true. Every real-life process has a reversible and an irreversible part. The irreversible part is basically dissipation of energy into heat and does increase the universe's entropy. But the reversible part does not increase the universe's entropy. The less it dissipates, the more efficient the process is. The amount of entropy you produce is not fixed, but varies with the process efficiency. An electric heater has almost zero efficiency (nearly all electric energy is transformed into heat), but a state-of-the-art torsion pendulum is close to 100% efficiency.

Now, let's take the above and plug it into the complexity issue. Complexity means "more processes". That would normally mean more entropy and more need for free energy. However, if you cut on the dissipative part, you can do more with the same free energy. So I don't think you can say "more complexity = more entropy = more need for free energy = back to stage 1". That would be a bit too simplistic.

There are two things that can solve the world energy problem: 1) better efficiency and 2) ability to use new free energy sources. As you can see, complexity isn't even one of them, although you probably need complexity to reach higher efficiency levels.

I'm not saying a techno-fix is going to save the world, but I do think it's wrong to assume it's useless.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'T')his is a simple example but I would put it to you that there is every possibility that computers are a similar situation. Ie. That it takes less effort to produce a modern PC than it took to make the equivalent mainframe back in the 60s.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whereagles', 'N')ot sure about that. More complexity doesn't necessarily mean more energy transfers. For instance, processing power of computers has increased and they consume less. This was because eventhough the nr. of transistors per CPU increased (more complexity), their size greatly reduced (less energy needed).