[BlackGold]

Anyone know if the "armada" of tankers coming in from Europe are likely to run into trouble or delays because of cat. 3 hurricane Maria? link

Also, there's Nate, that might cause more trouble on the East Coast link

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-05-miss-gas-usat_x.htm]Frenzy over gas shortages resumes (link)[/url] 5 Sep 2005 By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
GULFPORT, Miss. — Gasoline shortages continue to provoke unrest in hurricane-devastated Mississippi, even as looting has subsided and recovery workers toil in peace.
Police closely guard the few gas stations open for business, controlling long lines of cars with barriers and squad cars. The wait for gas can range from 10 minutes to four hours depending on the time and location.
"People get crazy about gasoline when we're not here," said Gulfport police officer Travis Sheaffer, standing guard at a gas station near Interstate 10. "They were cutting in line, pulling guns — all types of insanity."

About a dozen gas stations were open Monday in Gulfport and Biloxi, the two biggest cities on the Mississippi coast. They generally are open only during the day, closing when police go off duty.
A few stations have raised prices above $4 a gallon, but most have kept gas prices at about $2.50 a gallon, the price charged before Hurricane Katrina. Stations generally limit customers to $30 of gas or 10 gallons. Gas station employees pump the gas to control the flow and handle payment outdoors to speed the lines.
"Some people pushed their cars here for gas," said Fallon Demoruell, a gas station worker. "A lot of them haven't been too polite."

Many motorists here are driving with windows down and air conditioning off to save fuel, despite temperatures in the 90s. People want gas not only for their cars, but also for generators that provide the only electricity for residents who remain.
...snip...

[thorn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-05-miss-gas-usat_x.htm]Frenzy over gas shortages resumes (link)[/url]
The whole article just gets crazier and crazier.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/business/12578834.htm]Gas prices drop, but supplies tight (link)[/url]
Posted on Wed, Sep. 07, 2005
ENERGY: High global demand and tight supply mean world oil and gasoline prices are likely to remain vulnerable for many months.
BY KEVIN G. HALL KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS
WASHINGTON - A week of uncertain energy prices awaits motorists after record high prices for gasoline throughout the long Labor Day weekend. ...skip... Power was restored to three-quarters of the storm-tattered Gulf Coast region over the weekend, allowing pipelines to increase the flow of oil and gasoline, especially to the East Coast, which has seen spot shortages and runs on gasoline stations.
...skip... After Katrina's landfall, gasoline wholesalers began rationing supplies to service stations. Some stations ran out of fuel as customers in Florida, North Carolina, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia and elsewhere rushed to fill up.
...skip... Shell Oil Products spokesman Shawn Frederick in Houston said allocation decisions weren't arbitrary.
...more at web site...

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'C')NN this morning showed a line of cars over a mile long in Biloxi. They were waiting in line for gas. And get this: there was no gas. The gas station was dry, but somehow, a rumor spread that the station had gas, and the line formed.

[thorn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'T')oday many newspapers had an anecdotal story (sort of to cheer up the price-shocked refuelers), how in belgium, due to a mechanical misfunction of the pump, it was alledgedly possible to get gas for "free",
and then the word spread immediately and within minutes there where very long lines.

[Leanan]

A memo is being circulated in my office. New York state is out of gas in one of its counties.
The state has "maintenance offices" scattered about, which include fuel pumps. State vehicles can be filled at these pumps. Everything from snow plows and construction vehicles to passenger vehicles.
They get the fuel for these pumps the same way they get everything else: offer the contract up for bid, and go with the lowest bidder. Well, no one bid on the contract for Columbia county. (Just south of Albany, on the border with CT/MA). So they're out of gas.
State vehicles have been provided with ExxonMobil cards, so they can get gas at ExxonMobil stations in Columbia Co.

[DerelictOverlord]

I wonder if this means that all the government and industrial entities who hedge through contract will have to buy fuel like the rest of us. If so what does that mean for those budgets and therefore the economy? Do you have it straight leanan that no one even bothered to bid? No one?

The implications could course through the mined forms of energy, after all, urainium and coal require artificial lift.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/politics-8/1126623845192390.xml&storylist=mi_katrina]Natural gas shortages worry Bush officials (link)[/url]
9/13/2005, By H. JOSEF HEBERT The Associated Press
BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Senior Bush administration officials touring the Gulf Coast area devastated by Hurricane Katrina expressed concern Tuesday about possible shortages of natural gas, saying that the region's production may not recover for months.
Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said there is less known about the damage to the natural gas supply system than about the effect on crude oil production. He said in addition to possible pipeline damage, the hurricane also shut down gas processing facilities on-shore.
"The great concern is about natural gas," Bodman told reporters as he flew to Louisiana from Houston.

[Leanan]

Apparently, this was true in several counties: no one bid on the contracts. Their old contracts have not expired yet, though, so they still have gas. But not for much longer.

Ironically, New York State uses a lot of natural gas-powered vehicles. Trying to do the right thing, and all that. Right now, they think that will help with the gasoline shortage. The idea of a natural gas shortage isn't on their radar.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'T')heir old contracts have not expired yet, though, so they still have gas. But not for much longer.

[BabyPeanut]

Time to wake this thread up again.

Today (Sunday) I saw several gasoline stations with no regular gas nearby.

Has anyone else witnessed this in the last few days?

[EnemyCombatant]

In Atlanta yes. But this has been on and off since Katrina. I also suspect some are hording here in Atlanta.

[Shadizar]

I've seen several gas stations here out of gas. Most of the stations I've seen are no longer selling mid grade gas. Lots of plastic bags over the pump handles around here...

-Shadizar

[rkerver]

The Cheney Administration has already framed the gasoline shortage issue as a shortage of refineries. See the Oil & Gas Journal article Oct. 10 by Nick Snow US House narrowly passes bill on refining, pipelines. This regards the HR 3893, the Gasoline for America's Security Act. Hence, there's no way a gasoline shortage will be perceived by the media & public as being a consequence of Peak Oil. My two cents worth.

[EnemyCombatant]

I read that article.
This also gives them the excuse to raid our environmental refuge and of course to deregulate the industry. They will generate dirty fuels.
No surprise there.

[Eli]

Well the roller coaster is headed up again
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil had the biggest gain this month after the International Energy Agency said demand will rebound and refineries must operate at their limits to avoid fuel shortages during the year-end peak in demand.

[CarlinsDarlin]

A short blurb from a local television station -
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Gas shortages continue to be a problem around the area (Little Rock, AR and other parts of the state). The Texas East Pipeline that runs east of Little Rock provides most of the area's gasoline.
Last week, it stopped running due to damaged refineries in the gulf.
The pipeline started pumping again today, and gas trucks immediately began to deliver gas to local stations. The gas supply in the Little Rock area should be back to normal in 7 to 10 days."

[Lore]

According to IEA demand remains resilient for oil and may lead to shortages this winter. US crude futures went higher on report.
Click

[FoxV]

demand destruction doesn't apply very well to gasoline as people can park their SUVs when there is a shortage/price spike, but just start using them when the situation improves (nothing is really destroyed).
however demand destruction for heating fuel/Nat gas works very well as it includes death of the consumer (not only from freezing but from house fires and carbon dioxide asyphixation from candles and portable burners). So demand for heating will not be as resiliant as Gasoline, and eventually the supply/demand equation will balance out once enough people have died

Isn't that great!
(btw, wanted to put an emot for this, but there really isn't any that are appropriate)