I don't really see how that conclusion follows from the facts reported above it. They talk about how the attendees were shocked at how quickly oil prices are rising, how quickly the end of oil is coming, etc. and then the writer jumps right into "Conclusion: expect the Powers to engineer a recession!"
I think a recession is coming anyway, but I don't think the Bilderberg attendees are going to engineer one. Even if they have the power to (which I admit is possible), why would they want to? They're all presidents of companies; people aren't buying cars and computers when they don't have jobs!
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THE Bilderberg Thread (merged)
by RG73 » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 12:37:10
"They" don't need to do anything. This will happen of its own accord. High prices will lead to demand destruction. Given that much of the oil is out of Bilderbergy control (you know, in the hands of brown people who don't go to posh resorts to plan world domination), whatever they want doesn't really matter.
Also, this article claims that oil is necessary for economic growth (true). Then it claims oil supply is dwindling quickly (probably true). Then it claims the Bilderbergs want to cause a depression (no growth) in order to preserve the rest of oil. To what end though since there will be no economic growth. The oil will just sit in the ground in this scenario. It also ignores the sort of obvious fact that China will just buy every barrell that we don't use. They obviously have a very different agenda than the old rich white dudes.
Anyway, this article is just ridiculous. So this super secret society leaks its agenda from the meeting and lets people take pictures? Right. And they're simultaneously pro-one world government, pro-UN, while also pro-Israel, pro-free market, pro-EU...ummm, yeah. They're pro-globalization, but anti-outsourcing of European jobs to Asia and Eastern Europe. They want to bring China into their globalization plans--ignoring the fact that China is the major player in world production and consumption. Wal Mart has already done this--but I see no mention of the Walton family there. Instead it speaks of shadowy plans of Rockefeller and Kissinger to do exactly what Wal Mart has already done. Dudes you missed the boat on that one. What else--oh yeah, they want to cause a depression to keep the oil from being used. But then, Queen Beatrix is also bummed because she lost money from Shell downgrading its reserves and is worried that if news that reserves are lower than thought leaks to the public, it will cause economic collapse. Well if they control the public and everything else, how could word leak, and how could the economy collapse if they control it? Nevermind that we all know about the oil situation. So they missed the boat again. Then this Israel nonsense flies in the face of all facts. They claim 50% of Israelis want ethnic cleansing of the territories. This would be the same Israeli public that currently supports leaving the territories. Why would the same people want to leave the territory, but kill everyone there after they leave? Why is the Israeli government, the US government, and everyone else basically hell bent on returning Israel to pre-1947 lines (e.g. out of Samaria, Judea and Gaza)? The actual facts on the ground are that the Israeli public doesn't want to be in the territories (most of them) and that the world (including the so called Neo-cons in the US government) wants them out too. This hardly sounds like the Bilderbergs are driven by a pro-Israeli agenda.
Oh, and this UN oil tax? Please. Not going to happen. Oh, and this Bilderbergs are mad at Blair for supporting the US invasion, but they still think he's a swell guy--ummm, if they want one world government, don't they support destruction of sovereignty (like invasions and occupations)? Oh, and raising world tax rates to 58%? Haha, nice try again douchebags.
Basically this is the stupidest, least thought out, most nonsensical article I've read since the last Bilderberg article.
Face it, they're a bunch of rich white folks (with some token women and maybe a black guy or two) who get together to gossip and feel important and powerful. From this article we can guess that they're pretty much out of the loop on everything, hold contradictory positions on everything, and completely ignore that places like Japan, China, India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Venezuela all have minds of their own, all have a hell of a lot of economic power, and don't really give a damn about what some folks meeting at posh hotels in Europe want for them. All those non-white folks of the world can turn off the oil spigots or pull their money from our markets and enforce their own will on the silly Bilderbergs.
Also, this article claims that oil is necessary for economic growth (true). Then it claims oil supply is dwindling quickly (probably true). Then it claims the Bilderbergs want to cause a depression (no growth) in order to preserve the rest of oil. To what end though since there will be no economic growth. The oil will just sit in the ground in this scenario. It also ignores the sort of obvious fact that China will just buy every barrell that we don't use. They obviously have a very different agenda than the old rich white dudes.
Anyway, this article is just ridiculous. So this super secret society leaks its agenda from the meeting and lets people take pictures? Right. And they're simultaneously pro-one world government, pro-UN, while also pro-Israel, pro-free market, pro-EU...ummm, yeah. They're pro-globalization, but anti-outsourcing of European jobs to Asia and Eastern Europe. They want to bring China into their globalization plans--ignoring the fact that China is the major player in world production and consumption. Wal Mart has already done this--but I see no mention of the Walton family there. Instead it speaks of shadowy plans of Rockefeller and Kissinger to do exactly what Wal Mart has already done. Dudes you missed the boat on that one. What else--oh yeah, they want to cause a depression to keep the oil from being used. But then, Queen Beatrix is also bummed because she lost money from Shell downgrading its reserves and is worried that if news that reserves are lower than thought leaks to the public, it will cause economic collapse. Well if they control the public and everything else, how could word leak, and how could the economy collapse if they control it? Nevermind that we all know about the oil situation. So they missed the boat again. Then this Israel nonsense flies in the face of all facts. They claim 50% of Israelis want ethnic cleansing of the territories. This would be the same Israeli public that currently supports leaving the territories. Why would the same people want to leave the territory, but kill everyone there after they leave? Why is the Israeli government, the US government, and everyone else basically hell bent on returning Israel to pre-1947 lines (e.g. out of Samaria, Judea and Gaza)? The actual facts on the ground are that the Israeli public doesn't want to be in the territories (most of them) and that the world (including the so called Neo-cons in the US government) wants them out too. This hardly sounds like the Bilderbergs are driven by a pro-Israeli agenda.
Oh, and this UN oil tax? Please. Not going to happen. Oh, and this Bilderbergs are mad at Blair for supporting the US invasion, but they still think he's a swell guy--ummm, if they want one world government, don't they support destruction of sovereignty (like invasions and occupations)? Oh, and raising world tax rates to 58%? Haha, nice try again douchebags.
Basically this is the stupidest, least thought out, most nonsensical article I've read since the last Bilderberg article.
Face it, they're a bunch of rich white folks (with some token women and maybe a black guy or two) who get together to gossip and feel important and powerful. From this article we can guess that they're pretty much out of the loop on everything, hold contradictory positions on everything, and completely ignore that places like Japan, China, India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Venezuela all have minds of their own, all have a hell of a lot of economic power, and don't really give a damn about what some folks meeting at posh hotels in Europe want for them. All those non-white folks of the world can turn off the oil spigots or pull their money from our markets and enforce their own will on the silly Bilderbergs.
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by I_Like_Plants » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 17:32:48
I agree, anyone who can farm, live on the land, get along OK without "de white man" will end up with the last laugh.
I fully expect WWII type gas rationing, and am working towards going car-free.
The "rich old white men" are going to be very disappointed when the rest of the world takes their ball and bat and goes home. And it will serve them right! And most of the world would consider me a "spoiled rich white person" myself!
I fully expect WWII type gas rationing, and am working towards going car-free.
The "rich old white men" are going to be very disappointed when the rest of the world takes their ball and bat and goes home. And it will serve them right! And most of the world would consider me a "spoiled rich white person" myself!
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by Overlyhonest » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 18:35:18
We believe we know what is coming so we need scapegoats.
Scapegoats are like coats in that you have to try them on, kickem around and see how they fit.
Personaly I think China is a great goat for western consumption but if some people what to put on the Bilderbergy coat and give it a go I say let them.
Scapegoats are like coats in that you have to try them on, kickem around and see how they fit.
Personaly I think China is a great goat for western consumption but if some people what to put on the Bilderbergy coat and give it a go I say let them.
If I wish hard enough this problem will go away!
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by Pops » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 19:18:56
Nice rant RG!
Nice avatar Over.
Where you been Barb?
Nice avatar Over.
Where you been Barb?
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Could this be the Hammer to cure Consumption?
by shakespear1 » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 17:18:47
June 02, 2005
Were The Bilderbergers Discussing Peak Oil?
http://searchingforthetruth.typepad.com ... ilder.html
What caught my eye was the following
Conclusion: Expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do.
The question would be how do you do this? Answer: Keep driving the price of oil up artificially. I know, not very original and conspiratorial.
I realize that this all seems self evident ( price goes up demand goes down ) but what got me interested was the possibility that a coordinated plan would be the "driver" to continue to move the price upwards. Stir concerns, play the market, etc.
What does the community think?
Were The Bilderbergers Discussing Peak Oil?
http://searchingforthetruth.typepad.com ... ilder.html
What caught my eye was the following
Conclusion: Expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do.
The question would be how do you do this? Answer: Keep driving the price of oil up artificially. I know, not very original and conspiratorial.
I realize that this all seems self evident ( price goes up demand goes down ) but what got me interested was the possibility that a coordinated plan would be the "driver" to continue to move the price upwards. Stir concerns, play the market, etc.
What does the community think?
Men argue, nature acts !
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"...In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."
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Re: Could this be the Hammer to cure Consumption?
by spot5050 » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 18:24:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'T')he question would be how do you do this? Answer: Keep driving the price of oil up artificially.
Why would they want to do that?
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Old news..
by UIUCstudent01 » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 18:29:41
We had a few a discussions about the meeting already.
Just do a search on the Bilderbergers...
There were a few good responses... Here,Here,Here, and Here.
Just do a search on the Bilderbergers...
There were a few good responses... Here,Here,Here, and Here.
https://www.videogamevoters.org/ http://www.savetheinternet.com/ http://www.votersforpeace.us/index.jsp
www.911myths.com - To the 9/11-ers, give it some thought.
www.911myths.com - To the 9/11-ers, give it some thought.
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by I_Like_Plants » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 19:04:07
All I can say is, Go, Bildersbergers! For one thing, if the price of oil is driven up, it flattens out the downslope of the peak, and while times will be tough, we won't have nearly as hard a landing. And, we'll have oil for use as a feedstock for much longer.
We do need to bring population down, we in the USA at least need to walk and bike more, we all over the world need to get back to decentralized, organic, food production just for the healthier food and robustness of that system and lower cost alone.
In fact, if the Bildersbergers are able to artifically raise the price of oil, I'm prepared to think much better of them, since that would hurt their profits short-term. It would show they're thinking long-term, which is very different from how American corporations do things.
We do need to bring population down, we in the USA at least need to walk and bike more, we all over the world need to get back to decentralized, organic, food production just for the healthier food and robustness of that system and lower cost alone.
In fact, if the Bildersbergers are able to artifically raise the price of oil, I'm prepared to think much better of them, since that would hurt their profits short-term. It would show they're thinking long-term, which is very different from how American corporations do things.
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by Didga » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 07:13:49
Haha 
You guys make me laugh
911 an inside job
Two planes hit buildings in the WTC complex, 3 buildings are demolished or "fall down", one supposedly after fire alone, a complete lack of airforce response for over two hours, then a media cover-up with no serious investigation at all, a huge online 9-11 truth movement, how much evidence do you need.
An oil war based on Orwellian lies and propaganda
University professors point to a fradulent 2004 election
And now here comes peak oil.
Now dont get me wrong, peak oil is definitely coming, not artifical, the geology is irrefutable.
But dont you think, that the "elite", those rich fat cats that chat about stuff behind closed doors, and seem to be able to organise some fairly serious events, might try to profit from peak oil for their own good ?
By suppressing or diluting media debate, holding back beneficial technologies or malipulating the stock market to their profit.
I wonder what they chat about, at those secret meetings, which really happen. Lots of rich and powerful people are present, combined they control a big chuck of the modern world. Do you think they talk about how tough it is to be rich and powerful these days, how hard it is to find true friends you can bond with ? Or do you think they talk about events that they can control and also events that they can not control, like peak oil, and how to profit from them.
You guys make me laugh
911 an inside job
Two planes hit buildings in the WTC complex, 3 buildings are demolished or "fall down", one supposedly after fire alone, a complete lack of airforce response for over two hours, then a media cover-up with no serious investigation at all, a huge online 9-11 truth movement, how much evidence do you need.
An oil war based on Orwellian lies and propaganda
University professors point to a fradulent 2004 election
And now here comes peak oil.
Now dont get me wrong, peak oil is definitely coming, not artifical, the geology is irrefutable.
But dont you think, that the "elite", those rich fat cats that chat about stuff behind closed doors, and seem to be able to organise some fairly serious events, might try to profit from peak oil for their own good ?
By suppressing or diluting media debate, holding back beneficial technologies or malipulating the stock market to their profit.
I wonder what they chat about, at those secret meetings, which really happen. Lots of rich and powerful people are present, combined they control a big chuck of the modern world. Do you think they talk about how tough it is to be rich and powerful these days, how hard it is to find true friends you can bond with ? Or do you think they talk about events that they can control and also events that they can not control, like peak oil, and how to profit from them.
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by Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 11:01:06
I think you're giving some people way too much credit, no one's going to be profiting from peak oil.
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by DomusAlbion » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 16:20:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ardalla', 'I')'ve come to the conclusion that PO is happening because aliens are using the earth as a cosmic filling station. Hey, this is OUR OIL they are stealing.
WRONG! There are no such things as aliens from outer space. It is the reptile people who dwell in the center of the Earth that are behind all this mischief.
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by airstrip1 » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 16:59:13
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Didga', '
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An oil war based on Orwellian lies and propaganda
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An oil war based on Orwellian lies and propaganda
The necons oil war in Iraq may be based on lies and propaganda but the agenda was openly set out in the Project for the New American Century in their paper Building America's Defences:Defences, Strategy and Resources for a New Century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf
Since the agenda is published for the whole world to read on the web I do not see how it can be a secret conspiracy.
By the way I once spent a few minutes on a train in southern England chatting to one of the original members of the Bilderberg group about his hobby of photography. He was travelling second class.
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Peak Oil reduces
Your expensive technology
To a simple stone
Your expensive technology
To a simple stone
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by Zentric » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 16:59:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'I') think you're giving some people way too much credit, no one's going to be profiting from peak oil.
Say what? Don't you recall the "dress rehearsal" California Energy Crisis of 2001? It doesn't matter whether a commodity is geologically-constrained or not for a collusion of commodity providers to manipulate the market for it.
Say, for example, the market has demand for a 100 units, but your cartel has only 90 units available. And, therefore, with supplies so scarce, you can charge $5.00 per unit. Wow!
Another scenario. The market still has demand for 100 units, and you still have 90 units available at the moment. But you are not quite satisfied in getting only $5.00 per unit - you want $10.00.
So you call "Bob", at the commodity-refining plant, and say, "Bob, I think your refinery needs to go down for repairs for the next couple weeks." And Bob says, "Huh, we just did all the repairs last month." And you say, "Bob, you didn't understand what I just said. Repairs. Now!!" And, Bob, who likes the idea of being employed says, "Yes, of course, boss!"
So, therefore, the demand remains at 100 units, your cartel provides only 80 units (but at $10/each!) and you laugh all the way to the bank, except for when passing the graveyard, when you whistle show tunes.
This happened in California, with respect to power generation, a few years ago and it seems virtually certain to happen again. Check out this "Exponential Enrons Ahead" article, which I found linked from the lifeaftertheoilcrash.net site:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/062305A.shtml
However, Domus' reptile theory does appear equally credible.
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