[Starvid]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')hat doesn't seem like a very serious site. But I have spoken to a Bilderberg member who is well aware of Peak oil, but who complained that due to the uncertain timing it was hard to do much about it.

He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.

edit: Checking around that page, it seems I have met two Bilderbergers, but only spoken about Peak oil with one of them (the smarter one).

[Starvid]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('purcatty', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')hat doesn't seem like a very serious site. But I have spoken to a Bilderberg member who is well aware of Peak oil, but who complained that due to the uncertain timing it was hard to do much about it. He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.

[lexicon]

Bilderberg has been talking about Peak Oil since at least 2005. This is from an entry I posted on democraticunderground.com two years ago linking to an article from the same author:



I really haven't done enough research on the Bilderberg group to have a definite opinion. I don't think they control the world to the degree that some suggest, but any group that operates as a "secret society" is no friend of democracy. This article purports to detail their latest meeting and if accurate, paints a chilling portrait:

The world in the palm of their hands: Bilderberg 2005

By Daniel Estulin
Online Journal Contributing Writer

snip

Energy

An American Bilderberger expressed concern over the skyrocketing price of oil. One oil industry insider at the meeting remarked that growth is not possible without energy and that, according to all indicators, the world's energy supply is coming to an end much faster than the world leaders have anticipated. According to sources, Bilderbergers estimate the extractable world's oil supply to be at a maximum of 35 years under current economic development and population. However, one of the representatives of an oil cartel remarked that we must factor into the equation, both the population explosion and economic growth and demand for oil in China and India. Under the revised conditions, there is apparently only enough oil to last for 20 years. No oil spells the end of the world's financial system. So much has already been acknowledged by The Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, two periodicals who are regularly present at the annual Bilderberg conference.

Conclusion: Expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do.

During the afternoon cocktail, European Bilderberger noted that there is no plausible alternative to hydrocarbon energy. One American insider stated that currently the world uses between four and six barrels of oil for every new barrel it finds and that the prospects for a short-term breakthrough are slim, at best.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Re ... tulin.html

But this is the paragraph that really pissed me off:

It should be remembered that in late 2003, oil giant Royal Dutch Shell, announced that it had overstated its reserved by as much as 20 percent. Queen Beatrix of Holland, Royal Dutch Shell´s principal shareholder is a full-fledged member of the Bilderbergers. Her father, prince Bernhard was one of the founders of the group back in 1954. The Los Angeles Times reported that "For petroleum firms, reserves amount to nothing less than ´the value of the company.'" In fact, Shell cut its reserve estimates not once, but three times, prompting the resignation of its co-chairman. At Rottach-Egern, in May 2005, industry's top executives tried to figure out how to keep the truth about diminishing oil reserves from reaching the public. Public knowledge of the diminishing reserves directly translates into lower share prices, which could destroy financial markets, leading to a collapse of the world economy.

How totalitarian is that? The infrastructure of society may collapse in no small part due to their efforts to keep us in the dark, but it seems like it's just business as usual to them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... ss=266x821

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theDude', 'O')h yeah? Well I know three Bilderbergers, any one of whom could beat up all of yours!

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')uring the afternoon cocktail, European Bilderberger noted that there is no plausible alternative to hydrocarbon energy.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')If TPTB need a severe crisis(perhaps leading to ecocide, a dieoff of billions, and a global corporate police state) to grab more power and resources and make more money, then they will see to it that is exactly what we have.

[Zentric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'H')e didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome would argue they have the first and third going already.

[Starvid]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'H')e didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.

[billp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=819&sid=25e51bc5c6c26f0f2d8b17557a5efc8e]Breaking new of Bilderberg 2007[/url] dates and location will be announced here

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'T')he Bilderberger that I know invited me over to his new home (bunker, actually - that's blast-fortified, solar and wind-powered, has both passive and active air filtration systems, built alongside an artesian spring, and has a five-years supply of freeze-dried food, and a machine shop, wood shop, media center, three-layer full perimeter defense system, wait staff and rottweilers, and a nine-hole golf course, squash court, bowling alley and heliport) for tea just the other day, and he didn't see it as the end of the world either.

[theozarker]

The Bilderberger [i]that I know invited me over to his new home (bunker, actually - that's blast-fortified, solar and wind-powered, has both passive and active air filtration systems, built alongside an artesian spring, and has a five-years supply of freeze-dried food, and a machine shop, wood shop, media center, three-layer full perimeter defense system, wait staff and rottweilers, and a nine-hole golf course, squash court, bowling alley and heliport) for tea just the other day, and he didn't see it as the end of the world either.[/i]



Wonder how long after TSHTF it will take for the wait staff and rottweiler handlers to slit the throat of the Bilderberger that you know and make off with his goodies to barter/sell on the black market

Linda

[Tanada]

Are you planning to attend or something?

[eXpat]

News about the Bilderberg Meeting in Dutch TV link

[virgincrude]

From the author's web site Daniel Estulin dot com:

"The Bilderberg Club is not a secret society. Nor is it a matter of a new conspiracy theory regarding world domination. The Bilderberg Club is utterly real and tangible. It exists as an official institution and several articles have been written about it. World renowned BBC, for instance, has given it some coverage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/ pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/27/bilderberg.shtml). Nevertheless, in more than fifty years of meetings that bring together unprecedented power and money in the same time and place, never has any information been leaked as to what subjects were debated during the Bilderberg Club meetings. The press has never been allowed in, and no statements have ever been released on the attendees’ conclusions nor has any agenda for a Bilderberg meeting been made public.

More than a center of influence, The Bilderberg Club is a shadow world government, which decides in total secrecy at annual meetings how their plans are to be carried out.

THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE BILDERBERG CLUB goes inside the secret meetings and sheds light on why a group of politicians, businessmen, bankers and mighty individuals formed the world’s most powerful society. It was Benjamin Disraeli, England’s Prime Minister, who noted that, “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”

And what I've been thinking since starting the book (not yet done):

I’ve been obsessed with Peak Oil and the impending economic gloom and depression for three years now. It has been ‘publicised’ as an ‘exclusive’s’ perk: very few of us got to know about it at first, and quickly formed a kind of club of ‘those in the know’. Gradually it has become more mainstream, but in a way which still makes those of us with early awareness feel smug and superior because ‘we’ve seen the future,’ and it stinks.

But what if this was all designed? The best possible advertising campaign of all time. Not aimed at advertising actually Peak Oil, but at a far more sinister and insidious goal, a kind of psy-ops mind bending advertising campaign of the most complex kind: the guarranteed feeling of exclusivity, superiority, coupled with a human desire to share and forewarn. Thus serving several aims: provoking fear and dread to an extent that some will eventually take their own lives, others will prevent the previously desired creation of new ones; instilling a permanent sense of anticipation, yet noting only minor changes in every day life which nevertheless can be used to confirm the horrid truth and maintain the gloom and thus subconsciously lead one to certain choices and decisions
(not to buy a car, not to take that trip, not to use that credit card so much, therefore simply aiding the imminent collapse of the growth economy but of course convinced this is in fact a good move at least in terms of environmental impact.)

Of course, those changes in every day life are far more drastic in the ‘developing’ world. But they’re nice and removed from us ‘first world’ dwellers and we feel the customary pangs of guilt and pity, and reach for the donation tin. The members of the Bilderberg Club, the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations all desire the destruction of the growth economy, the unification of regions such as the Americas, the European Union and the Asiatic and Pacific regions, the introduction of a single currency, global taxes and one global government. How can you ensure the destruction of this ‘free market’?

Peak Oil may not have been programmed by the elite members of these all powerfull all controlling groups, but who is to say, after reading this book, that they did not take the predictions seriously and plan accordingly, and that we are in fact living out their designs and things are going quite according to plan, so far?

[Carlhole]

I guess it seems quite natural and predictable that as population increases, technology advances, communications become incredibly sophisticated, etc. that smaller groups (tribes) join with larger ones (city-states) which in turn join into larger organizations of people (nations) which in turn fold into larger organized economic systems (co-prosperity spheres), etc., etc. , etc.

This has been showing all the signs of an exponential function ever since the agricultural revolution began it 10,000 years ago. If the energy to do it holds out, then, no doubt, there will eventually be a world government. It's just the nature of the beast (humanity).

So that part of The Bilderberg function is not a mystery. It has to do with our world becoming more closely joined together due to technological advances and greater levels of complex cooperation and standardization. That's a pretty old story.

So, the second aspect of your post deals with the supposed possibility of the Peak Oil Theory being a hoax perpetrated by the elites to advance their one-world government sooner than it would ordinarily happen? Then they want to stop the growth economy after they achieve their one-world thing? And they're going to do this by hiding all the mega-giant oil fields that would be otherwise found and developed were it not for their perfidy?

This global shit would happen higgledy-piggledy anyway given plenty of energy and resources. How come The Bilderbergers are in such a rush? Where's the fire? And how do they think they are going to keep the world hanging together as one if there is no economic reason to do so? If there is somehow a no growth economy after the one-world thing is achieved - what for? You envision some sort of futuristic Pharoah who collects all the taxes and uses a ruthless Palace Guard to whip us poor peons into line when we step out?

Those Bilderberger books always seem to conflate a third-rate Biblical/ Satanic /Prophecy trip with trends in world economic development. They always have a surreal mythological air to them.

Why should I give a damn if the world will eventually have a single currency, with a global government and global taxes? As long as the Global Constitution protected its citizens rationally and people remained free to do what they do best, why the fuck not?

Laws are intangible human constructs and they will change according to human needs.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') guess it seems quite natural and predictable that as population increases, technology advances, communications become incredibly sophisticated, etc. that smaller groups (tribes) join with larger ones (city-states) which in turn join into larger organizations of people (nations) which in turn fold into larger organized economic systems (co-prosperity spheres), etc., etc. , etc.

[virgincrude]

Carlhole, where did I say Peak Oil was a hoax? Where does it say the Bilderbergers will form the one world government and THEN stop the growth economy? Do you know anything at all about the United Nations and it’s eventual deployment as THE one world government? You can see the economic slow-down has begun already, Peak Oilers are convinced there shall be no recovery from this one, at least not back to what we’ve known for the past 70 years of continuous growth/decline economic cycles. I have not read any of the books you mention which combine the third rate Biblical Satanic stuff a la Golem. This book is not one of those, it deals only with the historic evidence providing proof of CFR and Bilderberg control behind practically every political maneuver during the past 70 years. I agree the web pages dedicated to the Bilderberg group often look hideously amateur and geeky and put you off by associating all that mythological crap. Ever thought this might be a tactic of ‘subvertizing’? Make enough people wary of getting close to a theory and the theory will remain in the geeky underworld.

One which thankfully avoids such third-rate design is www.americanfree press.net

“Why should I give a damn if the world will eventually have a single currency, with a global government and global taxes? As long as the Global Constitution protected its citizens rationally and people remained free to do what they do best, why the fuck not?” -Obviously you’ve read nothing at all of any substance on the CFR, Trilateral Commission or Tavistock Institution. All working for the Bilderberger ideals and goals.

Have you noticed what’s happening within your country?
Who Will Rule Us After the Next 9/11?
THE REALITY OF NSPD-51 IS ALMOST AS BAD AS THE PARANOIA.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/id/2176185/pagenum/all/#page_start

The CFR’s psycho-political operations have ensured we are all perfectly happy with the situation as it is and will practically welcome with open arms the subversion of all nation-state constitutions in the name of a single constitution which keeps all of humanity where the elite want them; i.e working for them. Most of the work done by the Tavistock has ensured the majority of the developed world is too preoccupied by the daily stress of life to bother with conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories have been converted into today’s alternative amusement. We are penned in by chaos (geopolitical, financial, social) we feel isolated from the machinations of our elected representatives, we are demoralised, lack self esteem (oh, what the fuck should I care?) and react with confusion when confronted by choices. We are ripe for the apparition of a messiah who will lead us all to peace and prosperity, guarranteeing an ordered society without violence, drugs, child prostitution, pornography, hunger, poverty, wars and suffering, guarranteeing a harmonious society.

Except that this harmonious society under the longed for order of a one world government, devours your individual rights, independent thought, and human rights. Non-conformists shall be rounded up into one of the 600 concentration camps already existing in the U.S.A. With microchips implanted at birth and no cash to carry, your entire life shall be mapped out for you, another number within the system, and despite the fact that you shall appear to have democratic process (like the Iraqi’s who voted ‘freely’ for a prearranged government, like you who ended up with G.W Bush by dint of a judicial vote from the mouths of pre-ordained judges, like us Europeans who in the end have been prevented from voting for or against our impenetrable new Constitution,) despite the fact that you will feel happy with your lot, it is not YOUR choice.

Anyway, unless and until you read this particular book, there’s no point arguing with you.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', 'E')xcept that this harmonious society under the longed for order of a one world government, devours your individual rights, independent thought, and human rights.

[virgincrude]

Okay, so that's at least two of you willing and happy to submit to Big Brother.

"More than a few have made very convincing arguments that it's 'individual rights' and 'independent thought' that are largely responsible for the converging catastrophes we will soon be facing."- of course they have, you simply haven't thought that perhaps they too were spreading the propaganda.

In 2003, Pepe Escobar wrote:
"The Bilderberg mingles central bankers, defense experts, press barons, government ministers, prime ministers, royalty, international financiers and political leaders from Europe and America. Guests this year, along with Rumsfeld and Perle (US Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is also a member) included banker David Rockefeller, as well as various members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Queen Sofia and King Juan Carlos of Spain, and high officials of assorted governments. The Bilderberg does not invite - or accept - Asians, Middle Easterners, Latin Americans or Africans.

Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg, in their view, to polish and reinforce a virtual consensus, an illusion that globalization, defined under their terms - what's good for banking and big business is good for everybody else - is inevitable and for the greater good of mankind. If they have a hidden agenda, it is the fact that their fabulous concentration of wealth and power is completely dissociated from the explanation to their guests of how globalization benefits 6.2 billion people. Some of the club's earlier guests went on to become crucial players. Bill Clinton in 1991 and Tony Blair in 1993 were invited and duly "approved" by the Bilderberg before they took office.

There are innumerable shady, still unexplained connections between the early Bilderberg club and the Nazis, via Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the father of Queen Beatrix, who founded the club in Bilderberg in 1954 (the name is taken from a Dutch hotel), aiming to "increase understanding between Europe and North America". Bernhard was a member of Adolf Hitler's SS. One of the founding members of the Bilderberg is Otto Wolff von Amerongen - who actively improved business links between Germany and the Soviet bloc and served on 26 boards of directors, including Deutsche Bank. Few people know him - and perhaps for some good reason: he has been linked to the Nazi's theft of Jewish holdings before and during World War II."

I suggest you read the book, since discussing its contents is impossible unless you do so.