[MicroHydro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')t's not just the media.

I believe factions of the US government find it unacceptable that this regime murdered 3,000 Americans and are sacrificing our soldiers.

I also believe they are working to bring these bastards to justice. I think there is a conspiracy at play.

[Leanan]

Supposedly, the NY Times has confirmed that it was Rove:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp ... 1000974740

[LadyRuby]

Certainly sounds like Rove. Here's a link to the NYT article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/07/politics/07leak.html

[Eli]

Sorry wrong thread.

[some_guy282]

I've been reading rumors from Washington "insiders" that Rove will be indicted sometime this week or next. We'll see.

[Carrie]

Whoa... now we have this article today:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he editor of The Cleveland Plain Dealer said last night that the newspaper, acting on the advice of its lawyers, was withholding publication of two major investigative articles because they were based on illegally leaked documents and could lead to penalties against the paper and the jailing of reporters.

The editor, Doug Clifton, said lawyers for The Plain Dealer had concluded that the newspaper, Ohio's largest daily, would probably be found culpable if the authorities were to investigate the leaks and that reporters might be forced to identify confidential sources to a grand jury or go to jail.

"Basically, we have come by material leaked to us that would be problematical for the person who leaked it," Mr. Clifton said in a telephone interview. "The material was under seal or something along those lines."

[some_guy282]

Which leads back to one of the larger things at issue in all of this - the punishment of reporters for publishing leaked information even when it's the right thing to do. Obviously I don't condone the outing of a CIA agent, but think about the Pentagon Papers. Weren't those papers stolen and given to the NY Times? They ended a completely stupid war.

[SidneyTawl]

Some guy,

Daniel Ellsberg faced many consequences for the Pentagon Papers.

He made a choice.

Being a patriot
Or
being silent and complicite.

The reporters in Question face the dilema of recognizing that they were used, or they in the back of their minds knew that also they felt protection from a law.

The above means they were thinking about themselfs imo.

One has to make choices in life. The reporters have to know if they should be a:

Patriot

or

Employee

The price of liberty and freedom was not won with words.

[some_guy282]

You're right. He did the right thing at cost to himself. At the time, I think the government tried to stop the NY Times from publishing the papers, but they actually lost a case that went all the way to the Supreme Court. But I don't think they tried to press criminal charges against any reporters or editors for publishing "classified" information. What's happening now is new in that it's not just the leaker who is facing criminal charges, but the news papers as well.

I'm not confident most reporters would choose being a patriot over being an employee anymore. Not these days...very sad.

[Leanan]

I believe the Cleveland Plain Dealer articles in question are about "Coingate." It's been big news in Columbus, but has flown pretty much under the radar in the rest of the country, even the rest of the state.

Basically, a Republican coin dealer named Tom Noe somehow got authorization to invest $50 million from Ohio's worker's compensation fund in gold coins, baseball cards, and the like. Now, millions of dollars has gone missing. And there's evidence that suggests that this missing money went to fund Bush's re-election campaign in Ohio. (Noe claims it was lost in the mail. I kid you not!)

Since Ohio was the swing state this time, yeah, I think this story is of national interest.

I think the Plain Dealer is being wussy, not running the stories. The precedent is clear. "Deep Throat" was acting for the good of the nation. Whoever leaked Valerie Plame's name clearly was not. I know it's not always easy to tell which is which; that is for the courts to decide, and they have. I don't think there's any question about how they would rule in "Coingate." It's corruption at its worst, and may have swung the presidential election.

[EnemyCombatant]

What makes it more difficult to fight election fraud is that the Democratic party is complicit.

The next president has already been selected.

[SidneyTawl]

I saw this story I believe on Keith Olberman. About a week or so ago I think. It might not have been his show, but I think so. Its up his alley.

Keith's show is pretty good considering the other news shows.

Email Keith with any info you think important. During his show I and another person suggested on another board to email Keith and let him know how much we appreciated his at least covering the Ohio vote fraud. He was the only show to even say anything about Conyers etc.

Keith responded the next day on air and thanked all the emailers (evidently several hundred people emailed him after our request). And he stayed on the story after that till the end and always reported if their was news.

I might suggest you do the same. Right now it is a local story. To get it national you need a "hook". The tie in to the election money is it.

THis board and any others you visit and have your friends also make the same quest.

TIMING, make sure there is some news and it is about the tie in to the election money.

Then all at once request and send the emails.

PM me and I will send one and do it on other boards I visit when you think its a good time after some more info.

[some_guy282]

Newsweek names Rove as secret source

The headline for that article is accurate and also misleading. I've seen other links for that article titled along the lines of "Rove outed as leaker by Newsweek." Not so. I actually read the article. It is now admitted that Rove did indeed speak to Cooper before Novak's column appeared, but it also says that there is no evidence Rove told Cooper about Plame's wife. It's still possible there are other e-mails handed over to the prosecuter that Newsweek didn't get ahold of that do reveal such...but we'll have to wait and see.

There are still rumors going around Rove will be indicted soon, but they're hardly substantial. I'll believe it when I see it.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not confident most reporters would choose being a patriot over being an employee anymore. Not these days...very sad.

[EnemyCombatant]

It's OK. What's important is that CIA agents know what went down and why.

It's going to take the involvement of other factions of government to take down this regime. We the dissidents cannot do it alone.

This story is fanning the fire. Patriots in our government will not allow this to continue.

True patriots defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Mr. President, you need to come with us.

-- US Secret Service

[Grimnir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'I')t is now admitted that Rove did indeed speak to Cooper before Novak's column appeared, but it also says that there is no evidence Rove told Cooper about Plame's wife. It's still possible there are other e-mails handed over to the prosecuter that Newsweek didn't get ahold of that do reveal such...but we'll have to wait and see.

[some_guy282]

You misunderstand the story. Rove talked to Cooper over the phone, and Cooper later wrote about his conversations with him in e-mails to his editors. It's the e-mails that are being discussed now. Rove himself never left any direct electronic record, but Cooper did.

[LadyRuby]

The key word in the investigations that will come out is "Knowingly." We're going to hear a lot of the word "Knowingly." This is Rove's defense, that the didn't KNOWINGLY pass along information he wasn't supposed to. Yeah right.

[gg3]

The key fact here is that Rove apparently talked to Cooper about Plame before Novak published his story. Cooper's notes and emails have time-stamps on them.

However, Rove apparently told at least the FBI, and possibly also the grand jury, that he didn't speak to anyone about Plame until *after* Novak's article was published.

The prosecutor is going to be able to determine down to the minute, when Novak's story hit the wire, which is the earliest anyone could consider it published in any sense.

If the story hit the wire before Cooper hit Send, then the shit is going to hit the fan for Rove.

At minimum, perjury & obstruction of justice. At most, something closer to treason.

In all probability what happened behind the scenes is that Bush originally said something like, "That Wilson guy (who published the story in the NYT saying the Niger uranium thing was bogus) is a pain in the ass, we've gotta' do something about him," meaning the usual kind of bureaucratic retaliation, assign the guy to a boring desk-job somewhere he can't cause any more trouble.

But what probably happened was that Rove, a diagnosable sociopath with a history of political dirty tricks, took that as license to go get Wilson by whatever dirty methods he could come up with. Hence the leak on Valerie Plame, hence the felony violation(s), hence 60 or so foreign nationals who were "working for" Plame are now apparently quite dead.

But then after the "outing," Bush said in no uncertain terms that whoever was behind this is going to be "taken care of," which is Texas-speak for "strung up from a tree." He's bloody pissed, and well that he should be. And of course Rove went into CYA mode to cover his own little ass for having screwed up bigtime.

And as far as "intent" is concerned, there is presumptive knowledge: Rove should have known, as a matter of his position, to check Valerie Plame's status before leaking her name. And he had the means to do so. If he tries to say "I didn't know or have intent," that is criminally culpable negligence, similar to a civil engineer who doesn't check the specs on the concrete and then the bridge collapses.

Miller, meanwhile, a few years ago tipped off two "Islamic charities" that were about to be raided by the FBI over possible terrorist connections. IMHO that makes her a bloody traitor too.

It's as if these people are doing everything possible to LOSE THE WAR. I can't even wrap my brain around that one.

[EnemyCombatant]

Well said. Of course they want to loose this war. They knew that Iraq would become a quagmire. They knew there would be insurgency. They know that terrorists can cross our border at any time of day. They know our ports are wide open.

The question is why, not if.

Not only is the CIA going to rebel but so is the Pentagon.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It appeared in the most arcane of headlines, this desperate new phase in the empire that had been gestating in the tense womb of the Pentagon-White House nexus.

"US military rethinking the two-war strategy"

It wasn't actually the military as a whole reconsidering anything, we find upon reading the article. This is a leak from high-level Pentagon insiders to the press, and more than one insider. There is an artful rebellion taking place among generals.