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Unread postby MicroHydro » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 19:27:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', '[')Clinton and Dubya are two sides of the same coin.


100% agree. Would also add Yale skull and bonesman Kerry as an insider. It is a huge scam on both the US and the world. To the world, the blue team/red team is good cop/bad cop. To Americans, they are cynically marketed as faith vs science. But both are imperial corporate globalists, with identical sponsors. David Rockefeller, the CFR, Bilderbergers, etc., will use whichever is most effective at a given moment. If the neocons can't turn their popularity around before 2008, look for TPTB to back the restoration of the blue team. Naive liberals will celebrate, naive conservatives will mourn, but the important policies will remain the same as always.

PS: According to Ruppert, Bill Clinton was a partner in the CIA/Contra cocaine smuggling. The air shipments came into Mena, Arkansas when Bill was governor. So 1992 was also a fake election, with members of the same organized crime family heading up both tickets.
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Unread postby Zentric » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 20:38:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'C')linton and dubya are two sides of the same coin.


100% agree. Would also add Yale skull and bonesman Kerry as an insider. It is a huge scam on both the US and the world. To the world, the blue team/red team is good cop/bad cop.


Micro -

I agree, obviously, that both sides participate within a corrupt system.

But do you really feel that the Republican and Democratic leadership are tag teaming us, as though this were all some kind of phonied-up Worldwide Wrestling Smackdown event? While I'm sympathetic to this point of view, it still appears to be way over the top.

Is the enmity that many Republicans and Democrats show one another in public all an act?

Do you feel that, according to their rules of the game, no Democrat would want to see Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney or DeLay stewing in prison?

Do you feel that, away from the cameras, Bush, Clinton, Kerry, McCain, Hastert, Frist, Kucinich, DeLay, Levin, Biden, Feinstein, Boxer, etc., all get together for scones and tea to laugh and plot against the American people?

I don't buy it. Your statements appear hyperbolic.
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 21:03:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'I')s the enmity that many Republicans and Democrats show one another in public all an act?

Do you feel that, according to their rules of the game, no Democrat would want to see Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney or DeLay stewing in prison?

Do you feel that, away from the cameras, Bush, Clinton, Kerry, McCain, Hastert, Frist, Kucinich, DeLay, Levin, Biden, Feinstein, Boxer, etc., all get together for scones and tea to laugh and plot against the American people?


The Bushes and Bill Clinton are good friends.

Some politicians are true partisans and are kept marginalized. The insiders are on the same team. Of the people you list most are insiders. In particular, Levin(co-conspirator in the attempted framing of George Galloway), Biden (Senator - Visa Card, champion of bankruptcy act), and Feinstein (nominator and champion of Condi Rice) are corporate insiders.

Kucinich is a clown capering on the left margin, DeLay is a clown capering on the right margin. Neither has any executive power or ever will.
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Unread postby Leanan » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 21:03:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o 1992 was also a fake election, with members of the same organized crime family heading up both tickets.


There was a Frontline report about this a few years ago. Basically, it made the case that all three political parties (including Ross Perot's, at the time) and the media were in bed together. And all controlled by wealthy businessmen.

It ended with a rich corporate guy, sitting on a beach in Florida outside a luxury condo. He pointed out that prominent Republicans and Democrats owned units in the exclusive condo - Senators, Representatives, Governors, etc. So did famous network anchormen and other media stars. He smiled, and said, "It doesn't matter who wins. Clinton, Perot, Bush...whoever wins will be one of us."
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Unread postby Tapas » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 22:15:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'C')linton and Dubya are two sides of the same coin.


100% agree. Would also add Yale skull and bonesman Kerry as an insider. It is a huge scam on both the US and the world. To the world, the blue team/red team is good cop/bad cop. To Americans, they are cynically marketed as faith vs science. But both are imperial corporate globalists, with identical sponsors. David Rockefeller, the CFR, Bilderbergers, etc., will use whichever is most effective at a given moment. If the neocons can't turn their popularity around before 2008, look for TPTB to back the restoration of the blue team. Naive liberals will celebrate, naive conservatives will mourn, but the important policies will remain the same as always.


I have been following your excellent posts for a while MicroHydro. Your insights are making more and more sense as I am researching deeper into the geopolitics of Peak Oil and our global monetary system.

It appears that the Bilderbergers are like the high priests of our planet.

The Bilderberg Group along with the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome, the Round Table/Royal Institute of International Affairs - all under the umbrella of the Committee of 300 comprising the 17 wealthiest Elite families of Rothchilds, Rockefellers and Bronfmans constitute the core of the Global Elite.

They are the most influential and powerful entity we have on this planet. The policies and recommendations discussed by the Bilderbergers become the guiding template for nation states and their national leaders like Bush, Blair and Howard.

National policy is shaped and twisted to conform to the wishes of the Global Elite.

Bush, Blair and Howard are merely puppets playing their part like clowns in a three-ring circus to keep the sheeple entertained while the media is pumping garbage down our throats 24/7 to keep us distracted with disinfo.

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.



The CFR is the promotional arm of the Ruling Elite in the United States of America. Most influential politicians, academics and media personalities are members, and it uses its influence to infiltrate the New World Order into American life. Its 'experts' write scholarly pieces to be used in decision making, the academics expound on the wisdom of a united world, and the media members disseminate the message.

Baron M.A. Rothschild wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ive me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws.


All that is needed to effectively control a government is to have control over the nation's money: a central bank with a monopoly over the supply of money and credit. This had been done with the creation of privately owned central banks such as the Bank of England in UK and the Federal Reserve Bank in the US.

While the sheeple form warring parties as Democrats and Republicans, the foreign policy is quietly handled at a higher level. This explains why the common citizens of the UK or USA or Australia have little say over the wars that are being fought. Replacing one political party for another achieves nothing except some cosmetic changes - usually domestic issues.

Woodrow Wilson (US president) wrote in 1913:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.


J.Edgar Hoover wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.
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Unread postby JohnDenver » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 22:40:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tapas', 'T')he CFR is the promotional arm of the Ruling Elite in the United States of America. Most influential politicians, academics and media personalities are members, and it uses its influence to infiltrate the New World Order into American life.


Matt Simmons is a member of the CFR. What's your take on that?
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Unread postby Zentric » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 22:48:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'I')s the enmity that many Republicans and Democrats show one another in public all an act?

Do you feel that, according to their rules of the game, no Democrat would want to see Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney or DeLay stewing in prison?

Do you feel that, away from the cameras, Bush, Clinton, Kerry, McCain, Hastert, Frist, Kucinich, DeLay, Levin, Biden, Feinstein, Boxer, etc., all get together for scones and tea to laugh and plot against the American people?


The Bushes and Bill Clinton are good friends.

Some politicians are true partisans and are kept marginalized. The insiders are on the same team. Of the people you list most are insiders. In particular, Levin(co-conspirator in the attempted framing of George Galloway), Biden (Senator - Visa Card, champion of bankruptcy act), and Feinstein (nominator and champion of Condi Rice) are corporate insiders.

Kucinich is a clown capering on the left margin, DeLay is a clown capering on the right margin. Neither has any executive power or ever will.


Micro -

I agree overwhelmingly with most things you write, so I guess I owe it to myself to look into the Levin/Galloway, Biden/Bankruptcy Act, and Feinstein/Rice connection. I have long felt that the large corporations and banksters held too much sway upon American politics, but up to this point I never considered politics as "theater" where, to the one, the major players all belonged to the same troupe. Tough to accept, if true. And troubling how the major patterns of life and death on this planet might essentially be predetermined.

On the other hand, what was the nasty, unrelenting Republican attack on Bill Clinton throughout his presidency all about? Is it possible that Bill Clinton was a 'player' at first, then somehow fell from grace with the plutocracy, then, somehow found a way to get back into favor such that he and George Bush, Sr. can now hang out - and conspire a soft landing for all the major players??

Maybe one or both of us is guilty of being overly selective with the facts. Or being overly trusting of 'facts' that ain't true. Again, I'll take a look at the Levin, Biden and Feinstein connections, above. Checking my countdown watch, yes, there's still plenty of time for us to discredit one another :wink:. Thanks for your reply.
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 22:52:12

You might want to delve into Alex Jones on that one John.
I love a good conspiracy theory. :-D

Regarding Rove. I have always believed there are factions in government that are working behind the scenes to take this administration down.

Murdering 3,000 Americans and sacrificingy our troops is NOT acceptable to a lot of people in government. Not the politicians. But the true patriots that work in the Pentagon, CIA, etc.

Realize that 6 deep cover agents got killed from the Plame leak. The CIA was blamed for 911. I will not believe the CIA rank and file are going to roll over. I think there are factions working intelligently behind the scenes. But we also need to do our part. Let's not let the media forget about this over the holiday weekend. On Tuesday mornng, write letters to your newpaper editors and so on.

Here is an online tool which you may find useful.

http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/aler ... 46&type=ME

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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 23:27:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')att Simmons is a member of the CFR. What's your take on that?


I'd say there are distinguishing levels of power and culpability...

Much like the Masons...for the most part, good upstanding citizens...but getting to the uppermost reaches, the 32 or 33 level...or the even more secret parts, well...that's another story...
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Unread postby Tapas » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 23:28:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', ' ')Matt Simmons is a member of the CFR. What's your take on that?


JohnDenver, all we are doing as members of this board is trying to figure out what is the best way to deal with this geologic reality that is Peak Oil.

While Peak Oil is a physical fact, money is an abstract construct that we humans have put in place. The way it stands, one who controls the money controls the energy.

Matt Simmons has been trying to warn the world of the impending energy crisis. He is one of the few who has the greater good of mankind at heart. I have absolutely no reason to doubt his claims. He is one of the very select few who has the knowledge and inside data to make an informed decision.

I am happy that he is part of the 'elite' whose opinions would matter. I would like to see more rational thinkers like him to take center stage and shape foreign policy.

Having said that, we the common citizens should become aware of how our national and international power structures operate.

Here are some CFR/TC members from past/present Energy Companies: (A few have consolidated)

Exxon Corporation:

Lawrence G. Rawl, Chairman -- CFR
Lee R. Raymond, President -- CFR, TC
Jack G. Clarke, Sr., Vice President -- CFR
Randolph W. Bromery, Dir. -- CFR
D. Wayne Calloway, Dir. -- CFR

Texaco:

Alfred C. Decrane,Jr., Chairman -- CFR
John Brademas, Dir. -- CFR, TC
Willard C. BuTCher, Dir. -- CFR
William J. Crowe, Jr., Dir. -- CFR, TC
John K. Mckinley, Dir. -- CFR
Thomas S. Murphy, Dir. -- CFR

Atlantic Richfield-Arco:

Hannah H. Gray, Dir. -- CFR
Donal M. Kendall,Dir. -- CFR, TC
Henry Wendt, Dir. -- TC

Shell Oil Co:

Frank H. Richardson, CEO -- CFR
Rand V. Araskog, Dir. -- CFR, TC

Mobil Corp:

Allan E. Murray, Chairman & President -- CFR, TC
Lewis M. Branscomb, Dir. -- CFR
Samuel C. Johnson, Dir. -- TC
Helene L. Kaplan, Dir. -- CFR
Charles S. Sanford, Jr., Dir. -- CFR

Tenneco, Inc:

James L. Ketelsen, Chairman -- CFR
W. Michael Blumenthal, Dir. -- CFR
Joseph J. Sisco, Dir. - CFR


Members of the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission

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Unread postby LadyRuby » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 23:47:04

There's so much shit coming out of the white house these days that you need a wetsuit to get through it. What's it going to take to get these criminals out of the white house??
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 00:14:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tapas', '[')b]Baron M.A. Rothschild wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ive me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws.
J.Edgar Hoover wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.


Yep. The proof that Reagan/Bush Sr./Clinton/Bush Jr. are the same administration is that they have all kept Greenspan at the Fed, a run of 18 years! Of note Jimmy Carter is not entirely on board, and was not invited to the pope's funeral.

Amazing quote from J. Edgar Hoover. Thank You.
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Unread postby Tapas » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 00:40:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'Y')ep. The proof that Reagan/Bush Sr./Clinton/Bush Jr. are the same administration is that they have all kept Greenspan at the Fed, a run of 18 years! Of note Jimmy Carter is not entirely on board, and was not invited to the pope's funeral.


You know MicroHydro, the more I read and learn about the life of Jimmy Carter, the more I yearn for a man of his vision, compassion and beliefs to come to the rescue and lead us in these troubled times.

Being a devout Catholic, it must have deeply hurt when he was prevented from attending the Pope's funeral. This was a terrible mean spirited act by the current administration.

I keep reading of the sound energy policies Carter wanted to introduce. His thoughts and concerns were so much ahead of his times. Why didn't we as a nation unite and rally for a noble cause? How did we let our collective conscience sink to such great depths. We had a worthy leader - a true global humanist, and we blew our chance.

Even to this very day, Carter's work continues to win him international recognition and bring us national pride.
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Unread postby Tapas » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 02:05:11

Here is an excellent article by Michael Ruppert, published last year on From The Wilderness, that goes into great details uncovering the events surrounding the outing of Valerie Plame.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')ARAMCO is the largest oil group in the world, a state-owned Saudi company in partnership with four major US oil companies. Another one of Aramco's partners is Chevron-Texaco which gave up one of its board members, Condoleezza Rice, when she became the National Security Advisor to George Bush. All of ARAMCO's key decisions are made by the Saudi royal family while US oil expertise, personnel and technology keeps the cash coming in and the oil going out. ARAMCO operates, manages, and maintains virtually all Saudi oil fields - 25% of all the oil on the planet.


Valerie was an invaluable national asset. As a NOC she was providing critical inside information on the true reserves of the Saudi oil fields.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t takes years for Non-Official Covers or NOCs, as they are known, to become really effective. Over time, they become gradually more trusted; they work their way into deeper information access from more sensitive sources. NOCs are generally regarded in the community as among the best and most valuable of all CIA operations officers and the agency goes to great lengths to protect them in what are frequently very risky missions.


Read more on THE PLAME CASE

If Karl Rove is found to be the guilty, he should be tried for treason.
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Unread postby b0nez » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 03:16:57

I've came to some conclusions on the plame case that that make more sense to me at least.I'll try to lay it out real quick.My theory of course which means its worthless,but anyway here goes.

The media or someone within is going to try to bring down the white house and heres why I'm thinking this.

I thought the outing of "deepthroat" at this late stage was at best strange and at worst a scheme to meet some end.Once he came out I saw them trott out a nonstop string of GOP'rs for their "take".

What did each and everyone of them say? "He's not a hero to America,he's a traitor" "he should be jailed for treason".Buchanan and all his boys had this same line.This was the setup..

I think they knew about Rove being the one who outed plame and knew it was coming so they took the chance to give the gop all the rope it needed to hang itself.

Now the setup pays off.When/if it comes out it was rove the media will have a mic in those same faces that were screaming traitor/treason.They will have 2 choices.Say rove was a traitor that should be jailed for treason,like deepthroat,which will kill dubya and the whole administration.Or B,actually attempt to spin this in such a way as to say somehow this isn't the same.Which of course it isn't,it's worse.Nixon was a criminal that got outed,plame was a patriotic american doing the hard work for our nation.

Will they sink dubya and save themselves and their party.Or will they attempt to attempt to use the propaganda machine without its master to run it.How can they bail on w with iraq underway,how can they not.

Should be interesting.

I wondered how they got TIME,a major nws org. to do something it never does,divulge a source.Rove was counting on what he knew about how deepthroat was wildly protected due to the need of the media for unamed souces to trust said media.Rove was sure they would protect him like they did deepthroat,in their own self interest instead of loyalty as with throat.

I thing he didn't count on was all those years of slandering the media to hide their crimes.Called them the liberal media one to many times.Who does the media blame for the monstrous distrust of media now?The ones who endlessly slandered them for the last 25 years.Using their propaganda machine to create distrust of media.Seems payback was in order.

Seems the "architect" wasn't aware of who the real masters of propaganda were.He will soon be very aware.
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Unread postby Tapas » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 04:14:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('b0nez', ' ')The media or someone within is going to try to bring down the white house and heres why I'm thinking this.


You may be on to something!

Tonight O'Donnell gave a radio interview with Matt Drudge on the Rove/Plame affair.
He stood firm by his original claim that Rove was the primary source.

Here is an interesting recap on Daily Kos by JustWinBaby
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Unread postby Leanan » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 07:10:04

Jimmy Carter was known for being a religious man, but he's not Catholic. Frankly, I doubt he'd have been elected governor of Georgia if he were. Back then especially, being Catholic was almost as bad as being Jewish in the South. (The KKK's dream: every black in America swimming back to Africa with a Jew under one arm and a Catholic under the other.)

Jimmy Carter is a Southern Baptist, but recently he's been speaking out against them, because they've gotten so extremist.
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Unread postby Tapas » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 07:31:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'J')immy Carter was known for being a religious man, but he's not Catholic.


Thanks for correcting me Leanan. I think we should all strive to be a compassionate and caring human first before dividing ourselves with religion. If we all keep that central thought in focus, it would matter little what personal belief one chooses.

Jimmy Carter has led an exemplary life both in and out of office.
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 08:55:16

It's not just the media.

I believe factions of the US government find it unacceptable that this regime muredered 3,000 Americans and are sacrificing our soldiers.

I also believe they are working to bring these bastards to justice. I think there is a conspiracy at play.
Now why didn't I take the blue pill.
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Unread postby SidneyTawl » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 11:48:54

The Media couldn't organize a weenie roast. Its not the media. Its in my opinion being done by "people" much more organized and trained to time the release of "memo's" and perhaps other media events. Deep throat was either syncronicity or he was urged to use his "hidden papers" (so to speak) to assist.

As PO people should remember Valerie worked for Brewster Jennings. WAS Valerie about to learn the "real numbers" for Aramco. Was this the main motivation for "outing" her. Surely the CIA would wish to have that info. Now would the current admin wish to have it known to the public (per se) also. If Karl didn't know what her assignement was (doubtful) then it would only relate back to the Yellowcake and getting back at her hubby. Then this means they used Karl as a stooge to get the info out.

Karl Rove would not have had the ability to know about Valerie and her "assignment" by himself and couldn't have asked for that info.

WHO TOLD KARL> and why. (this is THE QUESTION imo)

Wasn't there the little stunt during the election when Karl "jokingly" put his head under the wheel of Air Force One.

Also IMO it is not just the American agencies. It is "people" from many nations working to put him out of office.

Enemy Combatant. You ever read "German Guy". Remember what he said was going to happen. The Houston stuff "appeared" to be the cover for his posts. There was quite a bit of stuff outside of the cover story he was using.

WHO was German Guys audience. There were two audiences IMO> spooks and perhaps a few others known to read that site. One to warn, the other to inform, and teach. Remember his lessons he gave out. The basic how to's to 'translate" a coded message in basic form. And a few others..

... -.. --...

HOWEVER. If you put your finger on Houston and turn the globe from Houston TX and go to the same spot as Houston 180 degrees later,.. guess where you pretty much end up. Not very far at all from the epicenter of the "earthquake" on Dec 27, the same date given for Houston.

I don't think there has ever been a quake that size that did not have preceding "events". Oh and some other anomolies. But who knows.

Syncronicity again and again.
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