[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'E')hrlich was an optimist.

[Cog]

Of course no one takes him seriously, He was wrong on all of his predictions.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')f course no one takes him seriously, He was wrong on all of his predictions.

[Subjectivist]

True doomers always expect bad things soon or even tomorrow and when they set a date they are often proven wrong. But if you look at the trend lines pessimists find troubling there is ample evidence they are right on the big picture.

[ralfy]

Indeed, as shown in the trend lines presented here:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... g-collapse

[Cid_Yama]

When it comes to Global Warming/Climate Change, the 'pessimists' (apparently the 'realists') have been closer on the timeline than the IPCC 'consensus'.

Individual climate scientists, when not muffled by political considerations, have stated that non-linear abrupt climate change has always been "the Elephant in the room". That paleoclimate research has found that abrupt shifts in the climate regime to a totally different state have happen numerous times in the past, in ranges of within a year to a decade.

Abrupt climate change is not some doomer fantasy, but a REAL phenomena. One that we currently face globally.

As simple as the shifting of rain tracks northwards, means it doesn't rain like it used to in places we grow our food. Also the shifting, and increases in intensity of storm tracks, means they now happen in places that lack the infrastructure to deal with it.

And things like the polar vortex, that brings intense cold to southern regions, where the houses aren't insulated, or built for it, because it was never that cold. Or extreme heat in the north, where they lack air conditioning, because they never needed it.

We are already there, it's no longer if or when. People are already being forced to adapt. And these changes are only the beginning, the tip of the iceberg.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'p')starr--glad to hear that we have taken you to a deeper level of awareness--sorry that reality sucks do horribly.

dolan--we gotta talk

Specifically, when you accurately point out: "The current migrant "crisis" is a foretaste of what is to come..."

Sorry, dude, but how the f does that lead you to any kind of optimism about the future.

That's the whole freakin' point.

However optimistic (realistically or un-) you may feel about a particular locality's possibilities for surviving collapse, other areas where collapse is baked in or in progress are not gonna just collapse in place. They're gonna come knockin on your front back and side doors, and probably a few others.

As they say, 'We're gonna get the water from your house..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-KulvW2TUQ

[dohboi]

"I expect that the barriers will be raised soon to stem the tide."

And what leads you to expect that these barriers will be effective?

[dolanbaker]

I expect that they'll be very "leaky".

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'T')rue doomers always expect bad things soon or even tomorrow and when they set a date they are often proven wrong. But if you look at the trend lines pessimists find troubling there is ample evidence they are right on the big picture.

[onlooker]

So then Sub, would you call Ehrlich a true doomer? He has been consistently transmitting his expert views that humanity is on an unsustainable path ever since the 60's. Your nomenclature is not helpful. People have taken considerable time to educate themselves and have arrived at some disturbing conclusions based upon empirical studies and by connecting all the dots. Having said I will not refer anymore to myself or others as doomers but as realists. These terms imply a emotional attachment to a conclusion which in itself negates the objectivity of the conclusion.

[ozcad]

As soon as we develop allegiance to team Doomer or team Optimist viewpoints, we have lost our position as impartial students of the universe.
Caveat: The above sentence implies that you cannot take action. I think it is possible, even wise, to adopt GW minimisation strategies as a "fire insurance policy". without waiting till you can see the fire. We can cater for possibilities without being committed to them.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ozcad', 'A')s soon as we develop allegiance to team Doomer or team Optimist viewpoints, we have lost our position as impartial students of the universe.
Caveat: The above sentence implies that you cannot take action. I think it is possible, even wise, to adopt GW minimisation strategies as a "fire insurance policy". without waiting till you can see the fire. We can cater for possibilities without being committed to them.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'S')o then Sub, would you call Ehrlich a true doomer? He has been consistently transmitting his expert views that humanity is on an unsustainable path ever since the 60's. Your nomenclature is not helpful. People have taken considerable time to educate themselves and have arrived at some disturbing conclusions based upon empirical studies and by connecting all the dots. Having said I will not refer anymore to myself or others as doomers but as realists. These terms imply a emotional attachment to a conclusion which in itself negates the objectivity of the conclusion.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hat peak oil will trump AGW.