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Postby C8 » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 12:29:53

California bill banning Confederate names clears committee

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')enate Bill 539, which would prohibit the naming of public buildings and roads in California after Confederate leaders, advanced from its sole policy committee Tuesday on a 7-1 vote. It heads next to the Assembly Appropriations Committee for fiscal consideration.

Sen. Steve Glazer, D-Orinda, accepted amendments to exclude cities, as well as buildings named for those cities, from the bill. The proposal has generated some controversy over whether the town of Fort Bragg would be forced to change its name.

Several lawmakers voiced concerns about what other historical figures would be deemed unsuitable to memorialize, and raised objections to the state mandate, because it does not account for individual communities’ sensibilities about what is offensive.

“Why not leave this to local jurisdictions?” said Assemblyman James Gallagher, R-Yuba City, the sole no vote.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov ... rylink=cpy


Each time names, symbols, images are banned it leads to people feeling empowered by their success and they look for more things to be offended over. Eventually, the nation feels like a dictatorship where vast areas of "illegal" speech becomes "normal" and accepted by the public

A powerful psychological change is happening in the US- never has the concept of tolerance been rejected this much since the McCarthy Era
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 12:35:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'N')ow that the name-callling has been ended (thank you Tanada) perhaps we could focus on the thread topic.


Exactly right.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', ' ') Those who basically make a living via racial demagoguery saw an unfortunate reduction in personal relevence in what is increasingly a post-racist landscape in the USA. Therefore to bring themselves into the forefront of public attention, they deliberately stirred up controversy on this topic.


Yup. A good example of this is Nancy Pelosi, who immediately introduced a bill in Congress to ban all confederate flags, including those incorporated on the state flags of several states. Pelosi knew her bill was going nowhere, but couldn't pass by an opportunity to stir up more controversy on this topic.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 12:55:19

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....Each time names, symbols, images are banned it leads to people feeling empowered by their success and they look for more things to be offended over. Eventually, the nation feels like a dictatorship where vast areas of "illegal" speech becomes "normal" and accepted by the public

A powerful psychological change is happening in the US- never has the concept of tolerance been rejected this much since the McCarthy Era


Yes.

Its fascinating to watch the frenzy over the confederate flag build. The urge to root out every confederate symbol and make confederate history disappear is spreading across the country. And its not just among politicians----the social media campaign encouraging regular people to trespass on other people's private property and steal or destroy their confederate flags is very concerning.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 14:14:44

This one is definitely all Democrats' fault, 100%. Early on, Boehner offered to do a bipartisan committee to handle this flags and statues and monuments stuff. But no, Democrats rejected that, apparently they want division and fighting and maybe even a government shutdown over it:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Can Confederate flags cause a government shutdown?

Roll Call reported yesterday afternoon: Don’t expect any more appropriations bills to make it through the House chamber any time soon. Not until Republicans and Democrats work out issues on the Confederate flag. ... It’s even raising the specter of a possible government shutdown.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/can-confederate-flags-cause-government-shutdown


Just politically for the '16 election, Democrats should not have done this. I think it may wind up costing them Florida and Ohio, and that's the two states the Republican nominee would need to win the general.

Besides politics, it was honestly MORALLY wrong to have done what they have done and continue to do.

They stoked this whole thing up, they created it, they fanned it and wanted to get it going.

But all they have really done is gotten American people fighting with each other, in states across the country. How is that not morally outrageous and irresponsible? For leadership in our government, and the media, and corporate world, to have done -- ON PURPOSE -- over FLAGS and statues, not even real issues?

I've honestly never seen anything like this in my life, it is just so astoundingly irresponsible, they did it for political gain -- Democrats have got working class people just fighting each other, they've got the nation arguing over 200 year old history and arguing over flags and statues.

Why would they do this? How can anyone that loves America, or just cares about people, create and stir up sh*t like this?

It's the most irresponsible thing I've ever seen government do, in my life.

I'm hoping this stuff just goes away, like it's one of those social media / traditional media "things" and the media will move onto something else and then all these disputes in all the states and localities will calm down too.

The public takes their cue from leadership, and so far Democratic leadership and media has been pushing for TURMOIL in the country. What we need are voices in leadership like Jim Webb, just somebody responsible in leadership that's not trying to cause divisions in the country.

They are MAKING problems, were there were none before!

The LAST thing any resposnible government should do, in ANY country, is just cause problems in the people that were not even there to start with. It's just astounding, to me. And I just hope it goes away.

This is not like the civil rights era. There are no schools to be desegregated. There is no issue here, it's just grabbing flags out of people's yards and causing people to fight with each other and that is so wrong.

There has been 100% total and complete racial equality for my entire lifetime, so WHAT THE HECK IS THIS THING about then?

It's like Democrats are TRYING to start the 1960s over again, and I'm just mystified by it.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Keith_McClary » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 14:52:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'I')'m sure you could find a Jew who defends the Nazis if you look hard enough. There are always nutters.

No they should not be respected any more than racists like you should be.
Like those racist "Jews United Against Zionism" ?:
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 14:58:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'T')his one is definitely all Democrats' fault, 100%.....
Why would they do this? ....
It's like Democrats are TRYING to start the 1960s over again, and I'm just mystified by it.


The Ds are doing this to "fire up" their base, which is people of color and affluent liberals.

They Ds are very aware that this will lose them votes among working class people and southern whites---but when they look at the demographics they figure that in order to win the 2016 election they have to mobilize their base voters----and they think making an issue out of the confederate flag is the way to do it.

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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 15:07:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Ds are doing this to "gin up" their base, which is people of color and affluent liberals.


Politics aside -- do you agree that this was just morally wrong? For them to have done?

The best analogy I can think of was 9/11, and how Bush did the right thing there, and so did others in leadership in both parties, and then the media.

Do you remember that? How there was a backlash on muslims brewing, but how government and media did the right thing and tamped that down?

Can you imagine what it would have been like if government and media had FANNED discrimination against muslims, instead?

You get my point there? Government is supposed to NOT stir up ethnic / racial / very serious deep history divisions in the populace.

There's a woman in JAIL right now because she actually assaulted her own husband -- because he would not take down his rebel flag.

Now that sounds like an amusing funny story, but you multiply that kind of strife around the country, and things like the rebel flag rides and then people have fired shots at them -- this is some seriously bad sh*t Plant, it's not the usual politics, and I am deeply disappointed that our government has not been responsible on it.

George W. Bush WAS responsible, after 9/11, and he CALMED people down and he did NOT fan discrimination and anti-muslim backlash in the country.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey Ds are very aware that this will lose them votes among working class people and southern whites---but when they look at the demographics they figure they'll win the 2016 election if they can mobilize their base voters----and they think making an issue out of the confederate flag is the way to do it.


Maybe that's what they think, but I think they are wrong.

Florida is still a Republican state that just happened to go blue in two presidential elections.

It's still a swing state. And so is Ohio.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 15:32:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', '[')b]Each time names, symbols, images are banned it leads to people feeling empowered by their success and they look for more things to be offended over. Eventually, the nation feels like a dictatorship where vast areas of "illegal" speech becomes "normal" and accepted by the public


Yep. You're 100% right on that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A powerful psychological change is happening in the US- never has the concept of tolerance been rejected this much since the McCarthy Era


Yep. You are right, C8.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 16:02:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I') grew up in the South in the 1950s and 1960s, I visit the place regularly, and I know what racism is. But the only actual racists I have had the misfortune to personally meet in a span of over three decades, are Black.


I grew up after you did. The bad times, were all before my time. I know history very well, but in my actual lifetime -- I can honestly say that really, there has been no racism out there.

This thing in Charleston was horrible, but that was just one crazy person. And that's an ongoing "mass shooter" problem we have in the country and I really don't even think that Charleston thing was actually about "race." It could have been anything; that guy would have been nuts even if there were no confederate flags or confederate history. Maybe he would have just picked up a koran and then got on some bad websites about islam, and gone off in that wrong direction.

Or maybe he would got into far left eco activist stuff, and did eco terrorism.

Or maybe he would have gotten into a tea party type group, then go overboard about anti-government militia stuff.

Does that mean, though, that we should ban korans and ban Republicans and ban far left eco activists and ban Southern history?

Back to racial issues --

There HAVE BEEN NONE, AT ALL, in my *entire lifetime*. It's just not there, people. We've got New Zeelanders and Brits in this thread, heck they probably think there's some kind of horrible racism in America -- but it's actually NOT true, I really think there is more commonplace bigotry and discrimination in the UK and Europe and Australia, quite frankly.

I read in an article somewhere, that in this nation of 340ish million people, there were actually only 5 hate crimes last year -- and only one was racial. That's it. Just one. Objectively, rationally, there IS NO RACIST CRISIS or discrimination crisis in America!

Not in the South, or the North, and what bigotry there remains is the same in the North -- if not worse -- than there is in the South.

There are problems in New York City, about race. What flag should be banned in response to New York City problems, can someone tell me that?

My personal experience with black folks, and black culture --

I'M SO IN TUNE WITH IT I MAY AS WELL BE BLACK. Seriously. I can see how they look at things. Black culture is our culture, too, I know all about it too. For goodness sake.

As for black folks -- I've never actually met an unreasonable one. To tell you the truth, I often like black folks more than I like fellow white people. White people can be neurotic, oftentimes, and uptight.

The only issue about the black community? Crime. But it's mostly black on black crime, just as most white criminality is white on white.

I agree with Jim Webb that there actually are no racial problems, he also says that there are elites that just MANIPULATE and stoke and try to CREATE problems -- for these politicians' own benefit. That's what he said, and he's right. So that could be people on the far right doing that with whites, and then with black folks it's Al Sharpton and Nancy Pelosi and then extremes like Louis Farakhan and the black power groups.

And by the way, there's one black power group called "Uhuru." They said they were going to burn a confederate flag but in the end they didn't and just protested next to pro flag people. But here's what's odd -- it was all white people in that group. And only one black person. The rest were all white, they were like "anarchist" extreme far left "noam chomsky" college kids.

So --

I don't see this thing as being a racial divide.

It's an extreme far left that has gotten really big and a bit out of control, whereas there really is not much of an extreme far right anymore.

And then what we really need is moderates, in the middle, to say "okay this enough, enough is enough, we have law and order in this country and you kids need to go watch tv or play a video game but you're not going to be a bunch anarchsits and tear society all down when you can't even name any specific policy issues you are protesting about -- other than taking away some other person's civil rights, just because it's some nebulous feelgood social media thing and the media has told you that you are 'offended.'"

We're a trans-racial society now.

I know it seems strange people, but it is what it is -- we really are trans racial now. There are WHITE PEOPLE in these "black power groups." And then, there REALLY ARE black folks that are in the flag groups (and I'm not equating those two either, the flag groups just wave the flag).

Look at this voice of america report, oddly enough they're the only ones with balanced coverage. There's a black guy that's in a flag group -- AND IT REALLY IS HIS Southern culture. He's a "redneck" type. And there is NOTHING wrong with that! It's not racism! It's fishin' and huntin' and muddin' and country music, and maybe joining the US military and defending this country! And the rest of the group accepts him and sees nothing different about him, and that is okay!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')roup rallies at Walmart to support rebel flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvozxvxfWVQ
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 16:16:09

If any other group was afforded the freedom to fly offensive counter symbols in America or anywhere for that matter, there would be civil war. All systems have a tolerance margin provided those margins are not crossed into system failure.

A tolerance margin was established for ornamental displays of the vanquished Confederacys icons in the interests of national reconciliation. That margin has been covertly crossed by the terrorisation of the blacks which still continues today or else why fly these flags. Why cling so fervently to flying it. After all, where were the nascars when the flag was being defeated. It is a weak argument that it is central to southern white culture as that is like saying that the black flag of Islam is central to American Islamic culture. How many would tolerate the widespread and public flying of the black Islamic flag.

The likes of six would be up in arms blubbering over his morning coffee in righteous indignation. The blacks are finally demanding full restitution of the American Constitution and an end to the low scale guerilla warfare that has been waged against them for centuries. Live with it six, you who believes that people have the right to live free of intimidation.

Or is your liberalism only for those who are enemies of your enemy.

edit: And enough of this eggheaded he is a black redneck nonsense. There are Catholic Loyalists in Ulster. This does not stop these Orange fockers terrorising and murdering Catholics in Ireland. They are shit stirrers no matter where they go. The Scots had the good sense of giving them the boot. You would be advised to do the same in America.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Withnail » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 16:46:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Look at this voice of america report, oddly enough they're the only ones with balanced coverage. There's a black guy that's in a flag group -- AND IT REALLY IS HIS Southern culture. He's a "redneck" type. And there is NOTHING wrong with that! It's not racism! It's fishin' and huntin' and muddin' and country music, and maybe joining the US military and defending this country! And the rest of the group accepts him and sees nothing different about him, and that is okay!



Bloody ridiculous. As i said earlier, you can always find a lone nutter such as this guy.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 16:58:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')f any other group was afforded the freedom to fly offensive counter symbols in America or anywhere for that matter, there would be civil war. All systems have a tolerance margin provided those margins are not crossed into system failure.


AmericanDream -- I do not know if you have ever been to America or really know much about our Bill of Rights and our Constitution and our culture, but I am an American and I can tell you that we do not ban flags in America.

That is right up there with internment of Japanese Americans type of thing, this is a case where America did wrong and sometimes in history America has done wrong -- and we always set ourselves on the right track again, thanks to our system, thanks to our Constitution.

It only broke down one time -- that was the civil war 165 years ago. And that was after divisions and arguments that had been going on since the northern and southern british crown colonies.

Southerners are very patriotic people, and they love America and love the stars and stripes the same as they love their regional culture -- the two are the same. This Southern history and culture, is American history and culture, just as we have things from all the states up north.

New England history and culture, Boston, Thomas Paine and Paul Revere and the pantheon of what is America -- includes all the Southerners too, Robert E. Lee too and then before the civil war, Andrew Jackson. And Lee fought in the war in Mexico, in the US Army, before the civil war.

Civil war was a family fight, quite often blue and gray IN THE SAME FAMILY.

AD -- this is is jut a left wing vs. moderates and right wing spat, that's going on right now. It's not even about race.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') tolerance margin was established for ornamental displays of the vanquished Confederacys icons in the interests of national reconciliation.


No, it was a family fight. Do you have "tolerance margins" with your family? :lol: North and South are equals, all the states are, the red states and the blue states. We had a big fight a century and a half ago, that's all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat margin has been covertly crossed by the terrorisation of the blacks which still continues today or else why fly these flags.


There has been no racial violence, in my entire lifetime. I can only think of like 3 incidents in other states, that made the national news, that happened in the last several decades.

All that horrible bad stuff honestly ended around the 1970s.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he likes of six would be up in arms blubbering over his morning coffee in righteous indignation. The blacks are finally demanding full restitution of the American Constitution and an end to the low scale guerilla warfare that has been waged against them for centuries. Live with it six, you who believes that people have the right to live free of intimidation.


Goodness you are a good propagandist AD, but you're wrong. I know "rednecks." They aren't all a bunch of horrible racists, they are not, and I've never heard of anyone discriminating against anybody.

You don't even know the current state of America -- the truth is that we are trans racial, now.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r is your liberalism only for those who are enemies of your enemy.

I'm for raising the minimum wage and not cutting social security or raising the age on that. Then more protectionism on trade.

Otherwise -- FOR GOODNESS SAKE THERE IS NO RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN AMERICA ANYMORE, and there has not been, in my entire lifetime, okay?

Ok, something like police issues -- maybe there are some problems there, but banning Republicans or banning the confederate history and Southern culture won't change a darn thing about race relations in New York City.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Scots had the good sense of giving them the boot. You would be advised to do the same in America.

We don't give anyone the boot, in America, and that's why this country has been so exceptional in its history and done so well. We have problems, sometimes, but it always works out -- thanks to our system, our bill of rights, our Constitution, our democracy and give and take. We bend, but never break.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Withnail » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:00:32

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We don't give anyone the boot, in America, and that's why this country has been so exceptional in its history and done so well.


Other than most of the Native Americans. They got booted didn't they, straight to the afterlife with the old smallpox blankets and so on.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:04:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'O')ther than most of the Native Americans. They got booted didn't they, straight to the afterlife with the old smallpox blankets and so on.


You're right. That thing was really bad, yet gets no attention.

I wish the far left would lay off of race stuff from 165 and 55 years ago -- and let's talk about native americans and all that history. I'm part cherokee actually, and the trail of tears was a truly sad story and there's a thousand others like that.

I wonder if Custer should offend me, I wonder if there are statues somewhere, goodness I'm offended at the very thought there may be a statue of Custer and Andrew Jackson.

edit: Actually by the way -- it is indeed a sad story about native americans, in America. Some of these tribes were really brutal and all the other indians were all scared of them too. The Apache were ferocious, and the comanche were awful to the peaceful Navajo.

And 1860s northerners were horribly bigoted and racist, to the natives there, I've read some stories about the civil war era and how New York wouldn't give any equal rights to its natives. Like letting them join he bar association, or serve in the Union army in the civil war (at first).

And the cherokee -- it's a sad story -- they TRIED SO HARD to "Westernize." They really did. They even made a written alphabet, though they had none before. They wore Western clothes, they fully embraced all Western norms and customs and society.

And yet they still got their land taken, and got sent on a forced march, the "trail of tears."

But you know what? That's all in the distant past, and native americans have pretty much gotten over it and actually they're very patriotic Americans. And have served exceptionally in all the country's wars, and were instrumental in the Pacific in WWII -- the Navajo "codetalkers."

Even though we have had problems of disunity in our history, at times, the overriding ideal of America remains what our motto says "E pluribus unum" -- out of many, one. We're a multicultural place, we have immigrants from the entire planet, we're a place where nobody "gets the boot," where it's not okay for one group to grab the civil rights away from any other group, and what unites us all is that we are Americans and this is the one place in the world where ANY group can join it, and be American.

It'll work out. Nobody will lose their civil rights.

I can talk about this stuff all day. I love American history. Let's not ban parts of it. Somebody like Andrew Jackson, it is what it is man, he's American family. Horrible old cuss and "indian hunter" -- that was awful, by today's standards, but it was not by the standards of those times. And, he was complicated, too. His adopted son was native american, which I always found ironic.

Look man -- our American history, it's just like British culture and history. It's like family history. It's like having a parent or grandfather that you can look at and see these things you don't approve of, and you have changed, yet they are still family and you still honor / love them.

More museums, not less. And don't dig up graves or knock over tombstones.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:06:49

NAACP calls for sand-blasting giant stone carvings of confederates off Stone Mountain, Georgia.

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Sand-blasting would take a really really long time. Maybe the NAACP should call in the Taliban to advise them how to get rid of the giant carvings at Stone Mountain more quickly. The Taliban are indisputably the world's experts at destroying giant stone carvings.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Withnail » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:07:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'O')ther than most of the Native Americans. They got booted didn't they, straight to the afterlife with the old smallpox blankets and so on.


You're right. That thing was really bad, yet gets no attention.

I wish the far left would lay off of race stuff from 165 and 55 years ago -- and let's talk about native americans and all that history. I'm part cherokee actually, and the trail of tears was a truly sad story and there's a thousand others like that.

I wonder if Custer should offend me, I wonder if there are statues somewhere, goodness I'm offended at the very thought there may be a statue of Custer and Andrew Jackson.


The more you look at it the more American history is just a catalogue of hideous crimes against humanity.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:36:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'T')he more you look at it the more American history is just a catalogue of hideous crimes against humanity.


I saw a good comment somewhere, on an article. The person said "History is like fish and guests. It's not always pleasant."

Have a look at British history. Starting with William the Conqueror, and the brutal "scorched earth" rape and pillage and burned out villages and decimation he did on the anglo saxons.

Do you get my point? That this would never end, about history? In whatever country we are talking about?

Honestly -- the South gets too much guilt and shame for everything, put on just it alone, and it's not right. Great Britain and Europeans have a MASSIVE history with slavery. Why must WE bear all the guilt, for everything? It's bizarre.

Having said that, Jim Crow and segregation afterward really were awful, and we know all this, but the reality is that there has been no racial discrimination in MY lifetime -- it's all history, before I was ever even born, and I'm not a young person. The civil rights stuff was half a century ago, it's before my time.

I don't know what people want.

How much more guilt can we feel, over ancestors in American history?

Go ahead, pull the last of the monuments up. Are you sure it ends there?
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Withnail » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:55:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'T')he more you look at it the more American history is just a catalogue of hideous crimes against humanity.


I saw a good comment somewhere, on an article. The person said "History is like fish and guests. It's not always pleasant."

Have a look at British history. Starting with William the Conqueror, and the brutal "scorched earth" rape and pillage and burned out villages and decimation he did on the anglo saxons.



The problem is America for the most part denies or minimises its crimes.

Moreover America's crimes were nearly all committed after America became a modern state, not thousands of years ago.

By the way I said i was against removing any monuments and I even support Cog's right to fly a Confederate flag at his home if he wishes to.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:56:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')AACP calls for sand-blasting giant stone carvings of confederates off Stone Mountain, Georgia.


Like I posted before, I've been to stone mountain (a long time ago). It's a very popular park, pretty much like a state park or national park. It funds itself though, without tax dollars.

There are just as many black folks that like the park, as white folks. Tour groups and school groups go there all the time. It's a big geologic massive ROCK and it's a good place to hike, an outdoors place with concerts and shows and lots of things and exhibits.

The sculptor was the same guy that did Mt. Rushmore (I've never seen Rushmore, but I think I read that the stone mountain carving is bigger).

They present all the history very well, including civil rights era and civil rights heroes and MLK. The laser light show thing they do, is actually quite brilliant and a good idea. It's hard to explain how they do it, but it's neat, it's a message of all the history and then reconciliation and moving forward.

There's nothing wrong with stone mountain.

And nobody's going to listen to the guy you quoted, that article is a joke in Atlanta. :lol: Everybody up there likes stone mountain.
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Re: Let's dig up dead people because they are racist

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2015, 17:58:03

edit: nvm, withnail I can't go back and forth with you, not too much at once anyway. :razz:
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