[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'P')olitical comment, by the way --

This flag and monuments overreach, by the extreme far left, has probably spooked a lot of swing vote and independent vote. This may have cost Democrats Florida, in the long run.

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')Why do you not like black people and project your fantasizes about killing them onto others? This is odd behavior for a proper Englishman. Of course folks on the hard left do projection frequently concerning guns, race, health care, and a whole host of other issues so I am little surprised.

[Cog]

Ahh I see. An expression of First Amendment rights to make a point is hostile and racist. I would ask your view on the Second Amendment right to own guns but I'm afraid of what you might say.

[Sixstrings]

edit: oh nevermind, I don't want to go back and forth with you withnail.

There's an update about the Ocala shooting, nobody was hurt but somebody did shoot towards a confederate flag ride. Police have a possible suspect and have released his picture:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')an sought in Confederate flag rally shooting in Florida
Ocala police release video of man carrying gun

OCALA, Fla. - Ocala police on Tuesday released video showing a man (pictured below) wanted for questioning, possibly in connection with a shooting at a Confederate flag rally over the weekend.

No one was injured in the shooting, which occurred Sunday in a neighborhood near the Southeastern Livestock Pavilion, where people were gathered for the rally.

Ocala police said management of the Ocala Place Apartments discovered video on Monday of a man carrying a long gun through the complex during the same time that shots were heard.

"We are looking to identify this subject," Ocala police said. "We have no idea if the shots were fired up in the air, toward the Livestock Pavilion (or) into the ground. We won't know the motivation until we interview the shooter."

Police estimated that 2,000 vehicles, mostly motorcycles and trucks adorned with the rebel flag, took part in the event, which was organized to show support for Marion County's decision to return the Confederate flag to a display in front of its government complex.

The ride was rerouted away from the city's Northwoods neighborhood after some residents threatened to shoot into the procession.

Participants wore shirts with phrases including "Heritage not hate" and talked of defending a way of life rooted in Southern traditions.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/man-sought-in-confederate-flag-shooting-in-florida/34161456

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')hh I see. An expression of First Amendment rights to make a point is hostile and racist. I would ask your view on the Second Amendment right to own guns but I'm afraid of what you might say.

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'B')y extreme far left you mean black people or the communist party?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')hh I see. An expression of First Amendment rights to make a point is hostile and racist. I would ask your view on the Second Amendment right to own guns but I'm afraid of what you might say.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')hh I see. An expression of First Amendment rights to make a point is hostile and racist. I would ask your view on the Second Amendment right to own guns but I'm afraid of what you might say.

[Cog]

Sounds like withnail got his feelings hurt because he was quoted. Don't post things you don't want quoted would be a good start for him. Which goes right along with this topic of the Confederate flag. Have we really reached the point in the USA where hurt feelings are a reason to trample the First Amendment underfoot?

Perhaps that is the case.

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')Absolute rubbish. People in the south do not fly the flag to encourage insurrection or a coup as you put it. They do so for many reasons. Some to honor their southern heritage, some to honor their distant relatives who fought for the South. And some just because the flag itself looks cool.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')Absolute rubbish. People in the south do not fly the flag to encourage insurrection or a coup as you put it. They do so for many reasons. Some to honor their southern heritage, some to honor their distant relatives who fought for the South. And some just because the flag itself looks cool.

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')Absolute rubbish. People in the south do not fly the flag to encourage insurrection or a coup as you put it. They do so for many reasons. Some to honor their southern heritage, some to honor their distant relatives who fought for the South. And some just because the flag itself looks cool.

[Sixstrings]

Jim Webb's a good man.

He's got integrity, and he's got a good message that's inclusive of everyone and is about bringing people together:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb on Sunday suggested that recent efforts to remove Confederate symbols from public places were as "divisive" as Donald Trump's disparaging comments about Mexican immigrants.

"This kind of divisive, inflammatory rhetoric by people who want to be commander-in-chief is not helpful, and we have seen from the liberal side as well this kind of rhetoric as it goes to Southern white cultures," the former Virginia senator said, apparently referring to recent debates over the Confederate flag.

"We need to be inclusive and recognize that we have problems and that we can come together to solve them," Webb said. "But don't be throwing these bombs to our cultural groups."

...

Webb then said he had talked about the issue with a close friend of his who happens to be African-American.

"He said, 'I was just at the barbershop and I asked the brothers what they thought about this, and they said, 'Here we go again. When are we going to talk about jobs? When are we going to talk about education? When are we going to talk about harmony and bringing people together?' And that's what inclusive leadership needs to be."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/12/jim-webb-southern-white_n_7779298.html?ncid=dynaldusaolp00000255

[americandream]

six

Bringing people together contemplates tolerance on all sides. I look forward to a display of tolerance from you on matters pertaining to Russias Slavic neighbourhood bearing in mind that they have a right to defend Slavic culture from Teutonic interference.

Actions six, actions.

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')
Under your theory the civil rights movement should not have happened because blacks did engage in civil disobedience and encouraged others to do the same. Good thing MLK didn't listen to people like you to get permission to get rights for black people.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'B')ringing people together contemplates tolerance on all sides. I look forward to a display of tolerance from you on matters pertaining to Russias Slavic neighbourhood bearing in mind that they have a right to defend Slavic culture from Teutonic interference.

[americandream]

six

Actually, its Ulster history mutated in America. Which is why N Ireland is bedevilled with its intractible social problems. People attempting to make the inexcusable into folklore. The problem with this logic is that it is infectious and at this juncture in global history the cognitively dissonant such as six would be advised to listen and learn rather then blather on from both ends.

One can only advise however, whether they will bother to listen is doubtful.

[Tanada]

I don't have time to deal with this mess of name calling tonight so I am locking this thread up for now. When someone has time to untangle it the thread will be unlocked.

[Tanada]

Alright all of you member participants, I just had to go through and split out almost two pages of very repetitive posts that amount to he said no he said pointless bickering. If you want to post here then start acting like adults, the four main trouble makers each had the ability to stop replying to what the others said. Instead they kept this crud going for TWO pages, which is more bickering than I ever want to have to read period.

Now that you had overnight to cool off the next one of you four, and you know who you are, will get a warning put in your PM and depending on how many are already there you might get a vacation to really cool off. Pretend you are in a bar room full of the members, if you spoke this way to them in person you would be lucky not to get punched, or thrown out for trying to start a fight. No matter how off you think someone else is you can be in polite disagreement without being in your face confrontational.

This is your informal warning, don't force us to make it formal.

[KaiserJeep]

Now that the name-callling has been ended (thank you Tanada) perhaps we could focus on the thread topic.

I grew up in the South in the 1950s and 1960s, I visit the place regularly, and I know what racism is. But the only actual racists I have had the misfortune to personally meet in a span of over three decades, are Black.

IMHO that is what this entire controversy is about. Those who basically make a living via racial demagoguery saw an unfortunate reduction in personal relevence in what is increasingly a post-racist landscape in the USA. Therefore to bring themselves into the forefront of public attention, they deliberately stirred up controversy on this topic.

IIRC, it was George Carlin who (entirely correctly) identified Blacks as the most racist group remaining in America, and he did so in the early 1990's. This is no less true today that it was then.

I consider it a true indication of how far American society has come since the 1960s, that racial controversy has to be created where none existed, before we can even discuss the subject. Now that that has occurred, how many of you have the courage to actually talk about this topic?

Those of you that are frightened of words, your absence from this continued discussion speaks volumes.