[savethehumans]

Methinks that underground publishing is gonna be a really BOOMING business! And the Internet's gonna be Public Enemy #1. Let's enjoy what freedom we still have on the Net, guys; I don't think we'll have it much longer....

[TrueKaiser]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'M')ethinks that underground publishing is gonna be a really BOOMING business! And the Internet's gonna be Public Enemy #1. Let's enjoy what freedom we still have on the Net, guys; I don't think we'll have it much longer....

[highlander]

Patriot act II was DOA. It did not make it out of committee. Several elected officials heard from their constituents(sp?) that it was not good legislation. So, what happened. Several sections have been ripped out nearly verbatum and attached to other legislation. The most blatenty unconstitutional part, regarding actions that imply a abrogation of citizenship are not (yet) in law. Watch all pending legislation, it could be attached as a rider. I read somewhere about a bill authorizing enemy combatants (maybe even those who show by their actions to have renounced their citizenship) to be transferred to countries that allow torture (I'm not talking about standing naked with a bag over your head)
All our elected officials seem to have sold us out. I didn't vote for any incumbants, so writing them a letter threatening not to vote for them in to to six years makes little sense. There seem to be many who are satisfied with the status quo.
SO what to do?
A national strike?
A gas free week? (not fair, I can use biodiesel)
continue wringing our hands?

[0mar]

Well, S.2845 passed. When will people get some balls and stand up for their rights. 89-2 or something like that; it wasn't even close.

I think the real test will come when PATRIOT II is up for ratification.

[mindfarkk]

i called my congressman.

[MonteQuest]

This is ground work for what I predicted in my book, Madmen at the Helm:

[quote]I suggest to you that the Waco episode can be seen as an ominous omen, a microcosm of how government will ultimately deal with militias and gangs...“Revelationsâ€

[Jack]

MonteQuest, I've looked on Amazon and in some other areas for your book, Madmen at the Helm - so far, I haven't been able to find it. How might I obtain a copy?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'M')onteQuest, I've looked on Amazon and in some other areas for your book, Madmen at the Helm - so far, I haven't been able to find it. How might I obtain a copy?

[MonteQuest]

I haven't really looked into to this, but a book reference friend of mine sent me these links:


U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPS
FEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty.

[savethehumans]

Thank you. I've saved these pictures and articles. I have no doubt that I'm going to have to show them to those who don't believe....

Wonder how much time we have?

[EnviroEngr]

How many Hells do we have to die out of before we quit the game of self-terrification? Either we have a wicked Archetype to obey or an incredibly nasty gene commanding our psyche.

Wrong dream even if it is the right day.

"What fools these mortals be!" More than a Puckish utterance, this has a dictated-unto-the-land-of-the-living quality to it, as if we're obsequiously living up to a standard of someone else’s making.

On the other hand, maybe the nightmare of a 6 continent Auschwitz is exactly the penance we all need to be relieved of our collective ignorance and hatred.

Pam and I have talked at length: American Holocaust
I can't quite tell if we have the power to manifest this destiny; but if so, being physical at certain coordinates may not be optimal.

[Daculling]

Here we go again... I love how this is all debated and voted on in secret.

Expanded

[EnemyCombatant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne other detail: the FBI may designate that the subpoenas are secret and punish disclosure of their existence with up to one year in prison (and five years if the disclosure is deemed to "obstruct an investigation.")

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('New Patriot Act', '[')b]Title VIII - Administrative subpoenas in national security investigations

Title VIII - Administrative subpoenas in national security investigations

Authorization to issue

Sec. 802 (a) In general the Directory of the [FBI] or a designee of the Director in a position not lower than Deputy Assistant Director at [FBI] headquarters or a Special Agent in Charge (including an 'acting' Special Agent in Charge) in a [FBI] field office designated by the Directory, may issue in writing and cause to be served a subpoena requiring -
(1) production of any records or materials relevant to [investigation of] foreign intelligence information not concering a US person."

...

"Sec. 805 (b) (1) Natural person - service of a subpoena upon a natural person may be made by personal delivery of the subpoena to that person...
(2) Business entities and associations ..subpoena may be made upon a domestic or foreign corporation that is subject to suit under a common name..."

[DriveElectric]

House Votes To Curb Patriot Act

House Votes To Curb Patriot Act
FBI's Power to Seize Library Records Would Be Halted

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 16, 2005; Page A01

The House handed President Bush the first defeat in his effort to preserve the broad powers of the USA Patriot Act, voting yesterday to curtail the FBI's ability to seize library and bookstore records for terrorism investigations.

Bush has threatened to veto any measure that weakens those powers. The surprise 238 to 187 rebuke to the White House was produced when a handful of conservative Republicans, worried about government intrusion, joined with Democrats who are concerned about personal privacy.

[shakespear1]

I truely hope they have the balls to do it.

To use words such as "Patriot" or "Homland" in these various schemes always gave me the feeling that those guys think that the people can be fooled forever.

Looks like maybe the Downing Street Memo will destroy this Illusion. I HOPE it does.

[OilsNotWell]

The only reason there has been a break in the ranks is that they have seen the latest poll numbers and it is clear the Republicans are going to get smoked in the mid-term elections...

The American people have had enough.

[DriveElectric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'T')he only reason there has been a break in the ranks is that they have seen the latest poll numbers and it is clear the Republicans are going to get smoked in the mid-term elections...

The American people have had enough.

[shakespear1]

So that means that there is no hope that an excuse will be found to change course and stop the bleeding on the Super Credit Card being used by Bush.

[directinfo]

Hi All,
The death of the American Republic is here. If a doctor were standing over America right now the prognosis would be something like: "Any last words?" The passing of the US took place about the time of the passing of the the misnamed Patriot Act legislation.
We are witnessing right now a milestone to be remembered for generations on the right side of the peak oil curve as we collapse into the "Long Emergency" (Jim Kunstler's term) and into a depression that "never really ends" (Richard Heinberg's term. It is no coincidence that such destruction of liberty happens in parallel with Peak Oil. My comments after the article...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]House OKs bill making Patriot Act permanent
Toni Locy. USA TODAY, July 22, 2005:
WASHINGTON - The House passed a bill Thursday night that would make permanent several controversial provisions of the USA Patriot Act, a sweeping anti-terrorism and anti-crime law that Congress passed in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The House, which approved the measure 257-171, began debate shortly after the Senate Judiciary Committee approved its own version of the bill.

Both bills would make permanent 14 of 16 Patriot Act provisions set to expire Dec. 31. Both would also extend "sunsets," or expiration dates, for two other provisions - one dealing with wiretaps and the other with seizures of library and medical records.

Unlike the House bill, the Senate committee wants more proof of a suspect's terrorism connections before federal agents could obtain personal information. The committee also wants to eliminate a gag order provision that prohibits any business from speaking about an FBI request for information.

Once the Senate passes its version of the bill, a committee will be formed with the House to work out the differences between the two versions. Passed in October 2001, the USA Patriot Act is a cornerstone of the Bush administration's war on terrorism, and the president has insisted that Congress make permanent all of the act's provisions. The act contains hundreds of changes to existing laws that federal investigators had sought for years dealing with terrorism, espionage and general crime.

Republicans and Democrats offered nearly 20 amendments to the House bill that would place more restrictions on federal agents' surveillance powers. One of the approved amendments would require the FBI director to personally sign off on agents' requests to a secret court order for library or bookstore records.