THE Patriot Act Thread (merged)

by **Leanan** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 18:59:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's cities. The bastion of those needing to be cared for by the gov't. Where will the blue leaning folk go when the gov't can no longer afford to take care of them?

by **Specop_007** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:09:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's cities. The bastion of those needing to be cared for by the gov't. Where will the blue leaning folk go when the gov't can no longer afford to take care of them?

by **J-Rod** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:30:07

Actually, the whole red/blue thing is deceptive. Our country is more purple than anything.

by **threadbear** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:37:13

Leanan-- I hope your vision of decentralized economy comes to pass. But here's an alternative, albeit a bleak one.

Right now, there are (theoretically speaking) 4 or 5 industry leaders in any one industry, where there used to be 100, (due to mergers and acquisitions in the last 20 years.) When the shtf, maybe true monopolies, not just oligopolies emerge and instead of the current 4 or 5 industry leaders, there's just one. All small businesses have been assimilated or driven under, as well, * Borg like. *See Star Trek.

What's to prevent this from happening? And could these monopolies not survive even taking peak oil into account? What if the source of their production was local labour and local raw materials, that didn't require transportation over vast areas.

For example, take Wal Mart--Say Target and Sears go under. With the economies of scale possible in a competition free environment, could Wal Mart not purchase from local providers or local work camps and stay afloat? Would geological considerations of all kinds flowing from peak oil absolutely require that they go under too?

Maybe the decentralization process will take part within corporations. For example, innstead of having big box stores located in the boonies, that require people to drive for miles and miles, Mall Wart will retain a scaled down presence within dense urban regions.

I don't see these dinosaurs giving up without a fight. If it means shrinking to tree shrew size, they'll do it.

by **PlanComplete** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:41:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('J-Rod', 'A')ctually, the whole red/blue thing is deceptive. Our country is more purple than anything.

by **TheSupplyGuy** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:47:34

No offense but, duh, that's where all the poor people go. If you're dirt poor, why stick around in the countryside, when there's a seemingly better chance of getting a job in the city?

by **Specop_007** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:58:45

Actually Plan, your numbers are wrong. You forgot the disclaimer at the bottom....

"Note: Several states made changes in the definitions of their caseloads -- California removed twoparent families...."

California's numbers are artificially low.

by **jaws** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:19:55

The U.S. federal government stopped working a long time ago. There is no responsibility for any action taken by anyone in the government. The only thing that allows new laws to be passed is an orgy of corrupt money attached to each bill as riders. Military spending is greater than every other country in the world combined. Once the money runs out, the political system will crash and the American Union will collapse.

by **bobaloo** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:38:57

"Nothing's going to change in this country until white folks figure out they got more in common with black folks than with rich folks."

Jello Biafra

by **Bas** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:54:24

this is scary stuff

by **Bas** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:58:49

it does seem to me that America is by far the most "oil-inflated" economy in the world, therefor I think the crash will be felt the most there. But on the other hand, the American economy has some of the greatest flexibility in dealing with new economic realities.

by **Bas** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 21:04:18

The enormous amount of dollars in foreign hands flowing back to America could be the final blow though

by **LeonDion** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 21:06:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'i')t does seem to me that America is by far the most "oil-inflated" economy in the world, therefor I think the crash will be felt the most there. But on the other hand, the American economy has some of the greatest flexibility in dealing with new economic realities.

by **Bas** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 21:10:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')alk about your rich getting richer...

by **PlanComplete** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 21:24:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'i')t does seem to me that America is by far the most "oil-inflated" economy in the world, therefor I think the crash will be felt the most there. But on the other hand, the American economy has some of the greatest flexibility in dealing with new economic realities.

by **TheSupplyGuy** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 21:54:58

How about the group Sum 41? Their lead single for their cd Chuck was "We're All to Blame".
Yes, until a serious movement occurs, the law of entropy(modified for governments in relation to corruption) will continue to work on the USA.

by **shady28** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 22:26:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LeonDion', '
')In ancient Israel, all debts were released every 70 years. That was what they called a "Jubilee". Every slave was freed and every loan was cancelled.

by **PlanComplete** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 22:32:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'j')ubilee (jū'bĭlē) , in the Bible, a year when alienated property and land were restored, slaves were manumitted, debts were forgiven, and a general sabbatical year was observed in agriculture. It occurred once every 50 years, at the end of a series of seven sabbatical years as prescribed by the Book of Leviticus. In the Roman Catholic Church, the name is applied to a holy year when special privileges are given for the pilgrimage to Rome. The first holy year was celebrated in 1300. The pope proclaimed (1343) that holy years would recur at 50-year intervals; in 1470, the interval was reduced to 25 years. Extraordinary jubilees celebrated the 50th anniversary of Pope Pius XI's ordination (1929) and the conclusion of the Second Vatican Council (1966).

by **LeonDion** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 22:45:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlanComplete', ' ')We are also the most wasteful peoples on Earth, our "give me" with no personal responsibilty is going to be the catalyst of change in our country. Eventually someone has to claim responsibilty in order to start the change.

by **LeonDion** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 22:51:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts lessons of trust in God (no crops were to be sown and the land was to lie fallow for the whole year), new beginnings, the remittance of debts and the proclamation of liberty, continued to have significance for Jewish people throughout the ages. It pointed to a time when things would return to how they had been, a time for a fresh start, hopefully with everyone a little older and a little wiser.

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