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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:21:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')gent, now you just spout nonsense and act like you are really making an argument.


You're the one that brought in Lord of the Rings; I'm just having fun with it.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Pops » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:28:16

You guys are pretty funny.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 19:41:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ou guys are pretty funny.


Its just he brought up THAT set of books, and well, my copies have pages falling out of them because they've been read so often; along with Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales; I love the whole setting. So much good material to have fun with if you're going to make out one side as Sauron's forces.

Truth is, both sides largely believe their own positions are just and honorable. But people are so inclined to view anyone that opposes their policies as Evil, that it produces these kinds of arguments.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 26 May 2011, 19:50:17

No, the Rethugs don't give a crap about poor ppl. :badgrin:
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 19:54:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'N')o, the Rethugs don't give a crap about poor ppl. :badgrin:


Disagree.
We think your answers for poor people make them more poor.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 26 May 2011, 19:59:52

Yeah, they can become just like you, except 'color' could be a problem down there, no? :?:
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 20:11:33

While I won't say we don't have problems down here, its also fair to say that the media over-hypes it quite a bit cause it makes a great story.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 27 May 2011, 08:16:28

2 terms of Bush (Republicans in White House), Republicans controlling Congress and at the same time having a Supreme Court majority.

Result?

The lot of the poor and the Middle Class declined and the lot of the rich rose; both decline and rise in unusual proportions (even for this country) for those years.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby sparky » Fri 27 May 2011, 08:32:27

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I'm a bit confused
is this topic about a crypto equivalence of the Jews as Sauron breed
or a general criticism of East Texas as unfit for intelligent life
as for the Orcs , I think they are cute proletarians born of the earth
and sticking it to pretentious post medieval wannabee
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 27 May 2011, 22:48:56

I think I've figured out conservatives: they hate Jews because they killed Jesus; they support Israel only because it pisses off the Muslims, who they hate more (for possessing their oil that they need for SUVs) than Jews.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 27 May 2011, 23:15:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think I've figured out conservatives: they hate Jews because they killed Jesus; they support Israel only because it pisses off the Muslims, who they hate more (for possessing their oil that they need for SUVs) than Jews.

I'm not an American nor ever wanted to be one but this comment is probably the best summary of the situation I see "from the outside looking in".
Having many friends who are Jewish and likely the same number who are Muslim I am always amazed that the general populace thinks they are any different than they are. They all want a home, they all want a family, and they all want to provide for that family. What they believe about "the guy in the sky" seems to me to be a bit immaterial on a personal basis.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 27 May 2011, 23:37:10

While there probably are a few remaining nutbars who do the whole "Jews killed Jesus" thing; they are easily outnumbered on the right by a more modern trend of religious practitioners seeing each other as primary allies against an encroachment of anti-religious fervor from government and secular sources.

Something that I wonder about though...

What happens when Bob the Baptist, Charles the Catholic, and Joe the Jew come to the realization that they have a heck of a lot more in common with Sam the Sunni and Sarah the Shia than they do with Howard the Humanist from New York. Thats a road bump I'd like to occur *after* I'm gone, tyvm.

For now, we remain subject to indoctrination on each side; such that Iran is the Enemy of US (even though Howard despises practicing Christians much more than Sarah does)....
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 28 May 2011, 09:35:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think I've figured out conservatives: they hate Jews because they killed Jesus; they support Israel only because it pisses off the Muslims, who they hate more (for possessing their oil that they need for SUVs) than Jews.

I'm not an American nor ever wanted to be one but this comment is probably the best summary of the situation I see "from the outside looking in".
Having many friends who are Jewish and likely the same number who are Muslim I am always amazed that the general populace thinks they are any different than they are. They all want a home, they all want a family, and they all want to provide for that family. What they believe about "the guy in the sky" seems to me to be a bit immaterial on a personal basis.


Jews are different, don't give me taht load.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby efarmer » Sat 28 May 2011, 11:51:10

Jesus was a Jew, there really is not much doubt about that, even though I have seen him African and also look like a blue eyed Brit in pictures. Jesus died from the exact same situation as someone who would preach a different flavor of Islam in Afghanistan, have the local Islamic hierarchy protect their turf and trump up a scenario or request for ISAF to take him out as being an insurrectionist.

People are people, you have to get to know each one and sort them out, it is risky and tenuous, and not as easy as painting with a broad brush to play factions against each other, which is the quick way to power.

I believe Conservatism is a potent, valid, and viable political approach, I also think that it using the tactics of divide and conquer within the fabric of America has come down to having to court the most ignorant and easily manipulated people in society to screws themselves out of a future while at the same time gradually making the Conservative movement a money rake to extract any and all wealth for the people who have hijacked Conservatism to make a nation mulcher which pulls out anything valuable to line the pockets of the top 2% and grinds up Joe and Jane Sixpack's lives while they are out marching at a Tea Party Rally.

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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 28 May 2011, 12:06:52

While everyone believes roughly the same thing, each religion claims that there is some subtle nuance determines who goes to the big Disneyland in the sky. You not only have to believe a whole laundry list of specifics, but you have to have just the right emotional repsonse and strength of belief. Of course, your neighbor would constantly move the goal posts, so that he is your natural superior and spiritual master.

Do you and your girl friend have exactly the same emotional response to "Titanic?" Kittens? Boxing? Religion has no room for individual variation like that. You must interpret, feel, and speak about your religion exactly the same as everyone else or be damned. The payout is that you entitled to power over others because you are right and they are evil, and they should kiss your feet in gratitude.

Nice to know they can be so cionfident that they are being faithful to the original gospel of nomadic goat herders of 3000 years ago, because the slightest misinterpretation means eternal damnation.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 28 May 2011, 12:09:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think I've figured out conservatives: they hate Jews because they killed Jesus; they support Israel only because it pisses off the Muslims, who they hate more (for possessing their oil that they need for SUVs) than Jews.

I'm not an American nor ever wanted to be one but this comment is probably the best summary of the situation I see "from the outside looking in".
Having many friends who are Jewish and likely the same number who are Muslim I am always amazed that the general populace thinks they are any different than they are. They all want a home, they all want a family, and they all want to provide for that family. What they believe about "the guy in the sky" seems to me to be a bit immaterial on a personal basis.

Jews are different, don't give me taht load.

Jesus was a bare foot long haired communist Jew bastard. Deal with it.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 28 May 2011, 12:23:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'b')ecause the slightest misinterpretation means eternal damnation.


1. Do you have something against goat herding? Seems like if we had remained goat herders, that we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with, no?

That said, I think your statement here is incorrect, at least in as its applied to the big three in the West, and Hinduism/Buddhism/Shinto in the East. None of these religions require any great amount of accuracy of knowledge from their lay practitioners, in order to achieve heaven/enlightenment/peace after death. They can be *very* harsh and strict doctrinally for people claiming to be, or holding the positions of, instructor though. Basically, for the person that makes an effort, believes in God (or faith appropriate spiritual setting), tries to be helpful to those less fortunate, you're in the ball park. Now, if you want to debate, or argue with people about the details of Angels on Pins or the proper linguistic formulation to describe the Eucharist, or how the role of a Bodhisatva interacts with the physical world, you best know your s***, or their will be hell to pay.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby efarmer » Sat 28 May 2011, 12:25:18

My goodness Preston, are you implying that he was the result of a grudge pregnancy?
(Someone had it in for Joseph?)
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 28 May 2011, 12:27:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'J')esus was a bare foot long haired communist Jew bastard. Deal with it.


I think he wore sandals most of the time, but I don't recall TOO much discussion of fashionable footwear, so its mostly just a hunch.

Good bet on long hair and commi; though I doubt he'd have endorsed what communism became in practice last century.
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