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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 25 May 2011, 16:06:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', 'T')here is nothing wrong with having a government. Having no government would be substantially worse.


No one, other than you, has suggested anything about a no government situation. Straw man, remains made of straw. Pointless argument.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AdTheNad » Wed 25 May 2011, 17:29:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'N')o one, other than you, has suggested anything about a no government situation. Straw man, remains made of straw. Pointless argument.

Looks up. OK you said you believe government was the cause of the suffering, and you align yourself more with the republicans who thinks Gov should be reduced in size. You offered no solution. You don't even state what you think the government is doing to cause the suffering, so yes, it is a pointless discussion.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 25 May 2011, 18:05:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'N')o one, other than you, has suggested anything about a no government situation. Straw man, remains made of straw. Pointless argument.

Looks up. OK you said you believe government was the cause of the suffering, and you align yourself more with the republicans who thinks Gov should be reduced in size. You offered no solution. You don't even state what you think the government is doing to cause the suffering, so yes, it is a pointless discussion.


Again, only you have suggested "no government". Go argue with yourself on that one.

I do believe government is the cause of the current suffering; and its not so much a doing thing, as a done thing. My suspicion is that the root cause of this mess was when the red-lining fiasco got going; the responses to that involved a defense of lending to people who had no business buying a house, that took the cap off the notion of insuring your borrowers were credit worthy, ie, no good way to build a system in a bank that allows red-lined areas to skip scrutiny, while still maintaining tight scrutiny on other mortgages. Then you are stuck with how to shed theses turds; only way is to bundle them up with a bunch of other mortgages and hope no one looks too closely at the package; and then sell the package as a single asset, then cross your fingers that it gets far enough away from your balance sheet before anyone notices. Thus the whole bubble-splat thing proceeded; nearly destroying our economy.

My problem is that there is NO solution to the suffering. The damage is done, and can't be undone. The printing press has been fired up, the payola has flowed freely, all the large players have been made whole numerically at least. But we're bbq. We'll stutter along for quite a while of course, regardless of how unhealthy our economy is, but there's no going back to the days before splat.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AdTheNad » Wed 25 May 2011, 18:36:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'A')gain, only you have suggested "no government". Go argue with yourself on that one.

Well done? You already made that point, I looked up and saw you were right, you hadn't mentioned anything about no government, so I rephrased my post to what you actually did say. There really was no need for you to bring it up again.

So companies give out bad mortgages, and corrupted, idiotic politicians bail out the banks without even including any kind of clauses to stop the nonsense happening again. The problem was the government was too weak and not independent enough due to the revolving door and monumental campaign contributions to tell the banks to lie in the bed they've made. Thus I disagree with your prognosis that the cause was the government, but instead was due to companies having too much power, and using that power to capture the government and use it for their own gain, hurting the average person.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 25 May 2011, 22:59:06

The minions of Sauron may not have been privy to Sauron's plans, but they served Sauron's cause, and advanced his evil.

Many if not most of you rightys on here blocked action on climate change until it was too late and we are all doomed.

You participated in the greatest evil this world has ever faced in the cause of the corporations making a few extra bucks.

Whether you knew the full extent of the evil, you participated in killing the biosphere.

Now all there is left to do is to attempt to aleviate the suffering we shall soon face. Now you interfere with that.

I spit on your soul.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby highlander » Thu 26 May 2011, 15:32:35

Ya'll are just funnin' us aren't you.
You certainly can't believe the stuff ya'll are sayin'
This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 15:55:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he minions of Sauron may not have been privy to Sauron's plans, but they served Sauron's cause, and advanced his evil..


Better to be AgentR(11) of the Valaraukar, than to endure unending sorrow as one of the Children of Iluvatar!
Especially as Melkor has triumphed and Arda Shall Burn!

Mu HA HA HA H A!!

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Cid... you're really leaping off the deep end to invoke the factions of good and evil in Tolkien.

nb.. The biosphere is fine, it will just really suck for homo sapiens since we evolved for conditions at the extreme cold end of Earth's range of climates.

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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Lore » Thu 26 May 2011, 16:06:35

Metaphorically speaking, I've been faintly hearing the drums of Moria for the last 10 years. They seem to be getting louder now.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 26 May 2011, 16:29:31

Actually, the minions of Sauron is the perfect analogy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Lord of the Rings trilogy explores the nature of individual heroism in the midst of an epic clash of civilizations, one that pits freedom-loving peoples of the West against merciless totalitarians from the East. As the hobbits Frodo and Sam make their way through the bleak and hostile land of Mordor to destroy the Ring of Power, which would bring about the enslavement of the world if it fell into the hands of the Dark Lord Sauron, their companions in the West rally a coalition of tribes to wage war against Sauron's minions living among them.

Some Western peoples of Middle Earth, for reasons of bourgeois comfort, selfishness, or cynical despair, want no part of the coming war, and think mistakenly that they can avoid trouble if they simply lay low. It falls to the good wizard Gandalf, the ascendant king Aragorn, and their followers to convince the West to stand fast and fight for its freedom and way of life.

The orthodox Catholic Tolkien saw pride, and the all-consuming craving for power it fosters when unchecked, as the root of human evil. In LOTR, Sauron and his servant Saruman desire to gather all power unto themselves so they can subjugate the natural world and every living creature within it, rather than seek to find their rightful place as reverent stewards of an ordered creation. They were slaves of their desire for raw power, which was symbolized by the Ring.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 17:20:23

Problem is... there does not exist a politician in America that wishes to be a reverent steward. They squable only for their share in the lust of Darkness.

ie. Melkor is Victorious.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 26 May 2011, 17:25:31

Governor Dayton is a 'reverent steward' :)
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 26 May 2011, 17:32:02

.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'P')roblem is... there does not exist a politician in America that wishes to be a reverent steward. They squable only for their share in the lust of Darkness.


And that is where you are wrong. It's that faulty indoctrination getting in the way again.

If what you say were correct, the war would be over, there would be no Medicare or Medicaid. No Social Security or Unemployment Insurance. No EPA, No FDA, No Food Stamp Program. No Labor Unions.

These continue to exist as thorns in the side of Republicans and their corporate masters, specifically because the Democrats stand fast in defending them.

The Republicans wouldn't be losing in the battle to eliminate them if the Democrats weren't there fighting on the other side to stop them.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 17:52:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I')f what you say were correct, the war would be over, there would be no Medicare or Medicaid. No Social Security or Unemployment Insurance. No EPA, No FDA, No Food Stamp Program. No Labor Unions.


You're kidding me right?
Medicare&Medicaid are the tools that are being used to destroy democracy; their rate of growth insure an end point to the American economy.
Unemployment Insurance and Food Stamps are business insurance for Big Ag, and a stabilizing smoother for the financial industry.
The EPA is toothless compared to what it should be; and very few middle class, private sector workers belong to Unions. And the FDA??? Be serious, the whole point of the FDA is to prevent small competitors from entering the market in a way that could challenge the big boys.

The Unions specifically act almost like herders for a soma-sucking glob of low performance humanity, keeps them showing up to work, out of the way of the movers and shakers, and definitely NOT designed to elevate millions to upper middle class comfort. That the public sector versions are somewhat more successful is only because their employers don't have to pay the bills that they promised to pay earlier, and certainly not with their own money. That'll come apart soon enough as well.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:00:57

What with this slight of hand?

You can't eliminate them, so you declare they are not really there and you aren't trying and failing to eliminate them?

They only exist because the Democrats are standing fast in their defense.

Go ahead, try and tell me the Democrats didn't just defeat the latest attempt by the Republicans to eliminate Medicare.

You tried to say the Democrats were on the same side as the Republicans. I proved you wrong just by the continued existence of these programs.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:08:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'W')hat with this slight of hand?
You can't eliminate them, so you declare they are not really there and you aren't trying and failing to eliminate them?
They only exist because the Democrats are standing fast in their defense.


Of course the Democrats defend them; they are their way of holding onto their slice of lust and power in the Darkness.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')o ahead, try and tell me the Democrats didn't just defeat the latest attempt by the Republicans to eliminate Medicare.


Of course they did defeat it; one set of evil minions defeating another set of evil minions. Happens often enough. This fight was a forgone conclusion though, so its not a surprise that there were at least 51 votes against it in the Senate. Real fight is on the debt limit bill. If the Republicans cave, then you can trumpet victory for the Democrats.

Don't kid yourself about the Dems being champions of the Valar though.
The suffering that they guarantee for this country by their out of control spending and refusal to raise taxes will be staggering.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') proved you wrong just by the continued existence of these programs.


No, you just proved that the democrats have a different slice of the Darkness that they want.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:11:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Unions specifically act almost like herders for a soma-sucking glob of low performance humanity, keeps them showing up to work, out of the way of the movers and shakers, and definitely NOT designed to elevate millions to upper middle class comfort.


Did yer daddy hit you over the head when you were a child? :|
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:14:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'D')id yer daddy hit you over the head when you were a child? :|

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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:17:43

East Texas, that explains it. :lol:
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:19:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'E')ast Texas, that explains it. :lol:


Yep. In more ways that you can imagine.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 26 May 2011, 18:20:49

Agent, now you just spout nonsense and act like you are really making an argument. Start losing, and it's time to start screaming "Democrats and Republicans are the same".

Lame, old, stupid, false argument.

I like your new spin on it though, "We're Evil, but so are the Democrats".

At least we've got you admiting you are fighting on the side of Darkness.
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