$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'S')o you either think the Citizens United case and unlimited money is good for politics in the US or that the Kochs had no part in pushing it forward, correct? That's what this is about.
Personally I don't think it was a good thing and in fact 80% (?) of the country doesn't either.
I mean I'd be happy to hear some rebutting of the second link I posted instead of the usual cop out of "they are all the same" blah blah blah
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...
by Sixstrings » Sun 22 May 2011, 13:29:34
I perused your link. I'm not sure what they expect the AG to do after the fact.. there's nobody to appeal to higher than the SCOTUS. I also disagree with this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Federal law requires any United States judge – including a Supreme Court justice – to “disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” 28 U.S.C. § 455(a).
Problem there is that constitutionally the SCOTUS is the ultimate authority on interpreting federal statute and the Constitution. There is no higher body, they're it -- no justice has to recuse himself nor does he answer to anyone. The attorney general certainly can't do anything about it.. only recourse is impeachment and removal in Congress.
As for the issue at hand.. Scalia and Thomas attending a Koch brothers retreat.. well, those two justices are far right conservatives, look who appointed them, I'm not surprised are you? What I'm more bothered about is Thomas' wife's political activities. It's unseemly but again the SCOTUS answers to nobody so nothing you can do about it.
As for Citizens v. United.. I don't like it either, but don't forget the unrestricted free speech goes both ways. I actually think small donations over the internet will pick up steam. If we could get a real populist movement going, then tens of millions of small donations can out-compete corporate money. And the power is ultimately in we the voters' hands.. at the end of the day all the Koch money in the world can't buy a single vote.
Incidentally.. the sad thing about this Koch Brothers nonsense is that state government unions are doomed no matter what. We just don't have the tax base to support it.. Dems refuse to tax the wealthy, and Dems are thoroughly Republican on middle class job offshoring and they're for open doors immigration to displace the American working class. All that adds up to no tax base, so sorry government unions you have to get impoverished along with the rest of us lower 98%.
Bottom line.. unfortunately if offshoring and immigration aren't stopped, and if the rich aren't taxed, then unions have to go. That's just how it is, money doesn't grow on trees we'll wind up like Greece if we try to support a .gov employment sector without the tax receipts to pay for it.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...
by basil_hayden » Sun 22 May 2011, 15:16:21
6, you sway like a ship on the ocean in a storm. I'm confused as to which side of the OP you're on but have decided I do not care. I take care of my self the best I can; I'll leave it to you to apply labels. My original statement had its origins in the notion that you did not even "get" the video, which was funny, easy to sing if you're the right age I guess, and had IMHO that good night on Saturday Night Live feeling to it. Unless you're a Koch brother. So I responded with some classic MP.
I like this one, too, even though I dislike rap music in general: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timfvNgr_Q4
...and I'd have to say I know more about groundwater than I do about Koch (hehe) and it's right on the money.
Catchy, hence the term "viral video", perhaps.
I like this one, too, even though I dislike rap music in general: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timfvNgr_Q4
...and I'd have to say I know more about groundwater than I do about Koch (hehe) and it's right on the money.
Catchy, hence the term "viral video", perhaps.
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...
by PrestonSturges » Sun 22 May 2011, 16:59:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I')magine Adolph Hitler just starting out, but with the wealth of the Koch Brothers.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Historians always remark, if only we had acted sooner.
The Ministry of Propaganda is already up and running under the new Gobbels, Roger Ayles.
The "think tanks" are already attacking the intellectuals, journalists, and scientists.
The brown shirts are now internet trolls shouting down the critics, disrupting discussion, suppressing dissent, and spreading disinformation.
The time to act is now, not when the jackboot is firmly crushing your windpipe.
If you allow them the time to consolidate their power, it will be too late.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Historians always remark, if only we had acted sooner.
The Ministry of Propaganda is already up and running under the new Gobbels, Roger Ayles.
The "think tanks" are already attacking the intellectuals, journalists, and scientists.
The brown shirts are now internet trolls shouting down the critics, disrupting discussion, suppressing dissent, and spreading disinformation.
The time to act is now, not when the jackboot is firmly crushing your windpipe.
If you allow them the time to consolidate their power, it will be too late.
Gotta throw out those immigrants, end bilingualism, crush the trade unions, stop contraception, pornography, and promiscuity, have a national "spiritual" rebirth and save the country from atheism, censor art, use torture..... I'll think of more....
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Re: It's The Evil Thing...
by Sixstrings » Sun 22 May 2011, 17:08:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '6'), you sway like a ship on the ocean in a storm. I'm confused as to which side of the OP you're on but have decided I do not care.
Well that's my whole point THERE IS NO SIDE TO BE ON, they're both the same side. Hate the Koch brothers while Obama works on yet another free trade deal, how does that make any sense?
Ok it's a funny ad, but sorry I'm more concerned about what Obama is doing to the working and middle classes rather than the Koch brothers.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y original statement had its origins in the notion that you did not even "get" the video, which was funny, easy to sing if you're the right age I guess, and had IMHO that good night on Saturday Night Live feeling to it.
Yeah I liked the video.. BUT.. I'm jaded, moveon.org was fake and this "98% of us" group may be as well. I'd want to know more.. is it genuine grass roots, or is it Dem party hacks? Is it just another PAC? Are people who really care about these issues just getting used again, only to be dropped after they vote Democrat?
Tell you what.. I'd like this group a lot more if they have something to say about offshoring globalist pro-rich corporatist Dems. That would prove this isn't just marketing and propaganda, but that this group actually stands for principles regardless of party.
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