[deMolay]

Even when it is written in black and white and in his own words the left refuse to accept the atrocities committed by the Liberal Left Winger...Amazing. Denial. Just like the Left today refuse to accept that Hitler and his National Socialist Party and his Socialist Policies were not Socialist. Amazing Denial....

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'H')e was a leftwing liberal doper, who had mental issues, like what else is new.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'G')oogle ( Obama "mind control" ) and you will find Alex Jones and lots of stories about the Illuminauti and the New World Order.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'w')hat I would find interesting is a chart or something comparing gun deaths in the US to Canada, Australia, the UK, and Europe

[deMolay]

He was a Leftwing Liberal Dope smoking Degenerate. His record and words speak for themselves.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'H')e was a Leftwing Liberal Dope smoking Degenerate. His record and words speak for themselves.

[PrestonSturges]

Just some guy who liked to rant about his "liberties," his cryptic idea of the constitution, the gold standard, and government "mind control" (a favorite subject of Alex Jones and promoted by some Tea Party folks). And his book list contained "We The Living" by Ayn Rand.

I don't think it necessarily the politics of the Tea Party or the right wing, it's the constant repetition of paranoid bullshit to people that are already paranoid schizophrenic about how Obama the Kenyan Marxist Jihadist radical is going to kill them in their beds after hypnotizing their school children. Aside from paranoid schizos, the main appeal is to the elderly who are more isolated and frankly getting a little senile.

The point is that this guy may not have been very political, just saturated in paranoid bullshit, which happens to be overwhelmingly right wing. The line between right wing beliefs and dangerous violent mental illness is not very wide.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'C')lap harder or Tinkerbell will die!

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'I')'ll tell you whats amazing. A group of people which self identify themselves with the point of view that mankind is deserving of a dieoff, measured in the billions as though its no big deal, acting as though a few going early here and there is more important than...say....the wildcard playoff games this weekend.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'I')'ll tell you whats amazing. A group of people which self identify themselves with the point of view that mankind is deserving of a dieoff, measured in the billions as though its no big deal, acting as though a few going early here and there is more important than...say....the wildcard playoff games this weekend.

[Cog]

Preston was all too willing to jump on the "He was a tea-party member" bandwagon. When proven otherwise, he uses ad-homs to attack the poster but doesn't care to dispute the facts. Sadly Preston's intelligence will not allow him to discuss facts like a rational human being if it contradicts his left wing view of the world.

[ColossalContrarian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'O')k this is not going to be a popular opinion..

But I think we have too many guns in the US. .........The bottom line is that if you have 350 million guns in a society of 350 million people, the mathematical certainty is that you are going to have a lot of gun deaths. It's just that simple..... This is the price we pay for having so many damn guns in this society.

EDIT: what I would find interesting is a chart or something comparing gun deaths in the US to Canada, Australia, the UK, and Europe. I'm sure we're off the charts compared to them. We need to start asking why, there's obviously something screwy in this country and if other societies can get by without so many gun deaths then that means it's possible for us too.

This tragedy in Arizona is in the news now, but on the numbers a lot of folks die just trying to clean their guns, and lots of kids die when they get a hold of one and play with it, and then their are the domestic disputes where people grab that gun in the heat of the moment. So many situations where it would just have been better if the gun weren't there in the first place.

[Mesuge]

Obviously, if any gun is still to be around the house, naturally you will pick it up as a tool in various scenarios, genuinly defensive ones or otherwise (psychotic), that's simple logical correlation, the same applies for baseball bat, a knife etc. The issue here is that in countries with large properties and outdoors like N.America, Scandinavia this is much less dangerous proposition, than in countries like Belgium or Austria, or dense urban areas like NY. I was sort of a strict gun control believer in the past for the above stated partially sound reason, but not any more, and not for the run of the mill NRA issued factoids and constitutional blabber, btw. disclaimer I don't plan mounting any rampage..

[rangerone314]

You can cause a lot more death and destruction with gasoline and matches than with guns.

And in Rwanda, I think about a million people were killed, mostly with machetes.

[Pretorian]

I somehow puzzled about Second Amendment. Where does it specify that owning a firearm is a right? It says ARMS. That mean any little thing that can kill obviously. Like a bomb, or a strain of a deadly virus. How about an RPG or a hand-carried mine-thrower? They're all arms.
Or, if you are a Luddite in term of weaponry, how about a two-handed sword? Or what about a hallerbarde? Can I or can I not legally carry around a hallerbarde? And if not, why?
For many, many tens of millions of Americans that dont know what a hallerbarde is:





So?

[Pretorian]

While answering this please keep in mind that a wood-carver was shot in the back a few weeks ago by a cop for having a folded knife in his pocket.

[Cog]

Arms, in the context of the Constitution , is thought of as weapons commonly available to the populace at large and consistent with an individual weapon that a soldier might carry into battle. It is also an individual right, at least that is how the writers of the Declaration and the Constitution considered it.

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=255

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nother example is the construction of the term to "bear arms" by James Wilson. In the following passage from his Lectures on Law, he equates the passage in the Constitution of the State of Pennsylvania protecting the right "to bear arms in the defence of themselves" with the right of personal defense of one's self or house:

Homicide is enjoined when it is necessary for the defence of one's person or house.

With regard to the first, it is the great natural law of self-preservation, which, as we have seen, cannot be repealed, or superseded, or suspended by any human institution. This law, however, is expressly recognized in the constitution of Pennsylvania. "The right of the citizens to bear arms in the defence of themselves shall not be questioned." This is one of our many renewals of the Saxon regulations. "They were bound," says Mr. Selden, "to keep arms for the preservation of the kingdom, and of their own persons."

Wilson was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, a member of the Committee of Detail, which drafted the Constitution, and one of the six original justices of the Supreme Court, nominated by George Washington. He clearly took the right to "bear arms" to be an individual right.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'w')hat I would find interesting is a chart or something comparing gun deaths in the US to Canada, Australia, the UK, and Europe

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')rms in the context of the Constitution is thought of as weapons commonly available to the populace at large and consistent with an individual weapon that a soldier might carry into battle. It is also an individual right, at least that is how the writers of the Declaration and the Constitution considered it.