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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby Cog » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 08:47:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'w')hat I would find interesting is a chart or something comparing gun deaths in the US to Canada, Australia, the UK, and Europe

wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Hm. Don't have anything to say, that list speaks for itself. 8O


Yes it shows that those hundreds of millions of guns legally owned by Americans kill hardly anyone at all. :lol:
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby Cog » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 08:50:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')rms in the context of the Constitution is thought of as weapons commonly available to the populace at large and consistent with an individual weapon that a soldier might carry into battle. It is also an individual right, at least that is how the writers of the Declaration and the Constitution considered it.


My problem with the 2nd amendment though is that it comes right out and says the whole purpose is for the militia. The US had no standing army and no immediate plans to ever field one.. here's the exact text:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Note how it even says WELL REGULATED. This isn't Old English folks, we don't need a translator here -- well regulated means the same thing now as it did back then.

And to me anyway, it's obvious what the amendment is aimed at -- since there was no standing federal army, the states wanted to be sure they could raise a militia from amongst the populace. All that is outdated now.. the federal government has the best military in the world and little Delaware doesn't need to raise any militias to fend off Indian attacks.


You obviously have never read any of the Federalist papers where the signers of the Constitution say exactly what they mean in reference to the right to bear arms. Its crystal clear its an individual right and SCOTUS has ruled that way consistently for two centuries.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby Pretorian » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 09:15:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')rms, in the context of the Constitution , is thought of as weapons commonly available to the populace at large and consistent with an individual weapon that a soldier might carry into battle.


So my Hallerbarde is ok? Do I need a special permit to carry it around or not really?
Also, does it mean that if firearms stop being commonly available (for whatever reason--magic rust, $1000 000 sale tax per piece, an outright ban, etc) then not letting you have it wont be an infringement on your rights?
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby Pretorian » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 09:24:52

And if it would be an infringement on your rights, does it mean that not making other individual weapons commonly available (Like an RPG, Stinger, mortars, heavy caliber mashine guns, grenades, etc) is also an infringement on our rights?
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby pedalling_faster » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 09:48:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'G')un-wielding Tea Partiers remind me of German's Sturmabteilung (SA) a.k.a. Brownshirts.


Supporters of Official US Government Conspiracy Theories remind me of German's brownshirts.

given that those official theories are used to justify all sorts of murderous mayhem.

we even have a few of those brownshirts here on PeakOil.com
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby NickyBoy » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 09:48:25

Thank you deMolay. I enjoy a good laugh.

Mein Campf a liberal leftwing document? Only you Americans could screw things round so badly to justify your world view :lol:
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby pedalling_faster » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:00:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') don't care what the guy's ideologies are, this is still all the conservatives fault.


i don't see how you can blame specifically liberals or conservatives about this.

i don't know what the shooter's beef was and i'm not in a hurry to try to read his mind.

but if his beef was that Democrat Gifford doesn't represent "the people", on that one point he would be quite right.

we know what was her vote on Obama-care - she supported it.

what was her vote on the Food Safety Act ? hard to find out.

http://giffords.house.gov/legis/bills.shtml
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby Cog » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:04:45

Just remember Pretorian. Don't bring your toy swords to a gun fight. You would be better off leaving them on the mantle piece or up your ass. Wherever they seem to fit best. :)
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Postby Arthur75 » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:08:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')his is not a tea party guy. This is some nut case. http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10 ... HoaZaLbqB4


Exactly, the linking of this guy to the tea party movement or Sarah Palin, which is all over the media right now is truly outrageous.
Ok they live at the same time, and maybe could be considered as different symptoms of the same thing, however the bottom line is that these crimes are a "marketing campaign" for his "poetry" or litterary work more than anything else, nothing to do with the tea party basically.
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby ian807 » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:10:55

Um, tell me again why a left-wing, liberal would want to shoot a Democratic congresswoman? Someone presumably more in line with his ideals? Wouldn't you think he have gone after a conservative?

On the face of it, ideology didn't play a key role here.
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby vision-master » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:31:55

This place is bad for ones mental health - tread with care here. :|

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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby vision-master » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:45:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Sheriff’s office believes the second suspect arrived at the location of the shooting with Loughner, and Dupnik indicated that they have pictures of him. Dupnik confirmed in the press conference that the second suspect is a white male, in his 50s, and they do not believe he took part in the shooting.

“We have an individual that we are actively in pursuit of, but I can’t tell you who he is at this point,” said Dupnik. “Don’t know where he’s headed, don’t know who he is.”

Dupnik was asked whether there was footage of the shooting taken by the mall, but he refused to answer. If so, it would explain how law enforcement officials had images of a second suspect.


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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby mos6507 » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:50:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'P')reston's intelligence will not allow him to discuss facts like a rational human being if it contradicts his left wing view of the world.


It's not like the topic starter was objective in the first place.

You know, it wasn't that long ago that the anarcho-primitivist took over the Discovery channel, and that's the same sort of radicalism on the left that is as dangerous as those who murder abortion doctors. Extremism is extremism.

If you step back you'll see that the situation in the world has become a breeding ground for extremism. Like Joe Stack who flew a plane through the Federal building. This is starting to happen at a regular clip now, and we should avoid the temptation to use these incidents to portray half of the ideological spectrum as a mortal threat that should be extinguished.
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby deMolay » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:57:10

For Nickyboy, National Socialist Party Programs or NAZI Socialist Programs of Hitler. Another uneducated Liberal Nitwit: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e therefore demand:

11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

Breaking the Servitude of Interest.

12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.

15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.

17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.

19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.

20. In order to make higher education – and thereby entry into leading positions – available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latters’ position or occupation.

21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.

23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:

a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;

b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;

c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.

Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.

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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby Chuckmak » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:57:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'H')e was a leftwing liberal doper, who had mental issues, like what else is new.


Batsh*t insane doper? This could only mean one drug...METH. METH really screws up a brain. I mean how else can he have far right, far left, and uber libertarian books as his favorites all at the same time?

That said, meth is the right's destructive drug, crack is the left's destructive drug.
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby Chuckmak » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 10:59:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'J')ust like the Left today refuse to accept that Hitler and his National Socialist Party and his Socialist Policies were not Socialist. Amazing Denial....


If this were the case and they were the same the Communists would have taken over Germany at this time.
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby IsThisRealLife » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 11:04:35

How does a young anti-goverment white boy end up painted as leftwing. This guy is sounding very much like McVeigh.
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby vision-master » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 11:06:18

bc conservatives are in the 'blame' stage. :lol:
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby deMolay » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 11:08:37

For those who doubt that the NAZI's were not Socialist's here is the Yale Law Schools list of the National Socialist's 25 point programs of Hitler and the National Socialists Party (NAZI). http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/nsdappro.asp
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Re: LeftWing Liberal Shoots Congresswoman Gifford

Postby deMolay » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 11:10:38

For is this real again quote from his school mates who knew him personally: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')bout 1 hour ago
caitieparker This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
about 3 hours ago
caitieparker @antderosa it's loughner just checked my year book.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
about 4 hours ago in reply to lakarune
caitieparker @noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
about 4 hours ago in reply to noboa
caitieparker @antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
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