Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Wikipedia Thread (merged)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby deMolay » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 14:13:26

Looks like Korea shipped Nukes to Iran through their mutual friend Communist China. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... e-reports/
"We Are All Travellers, From The Sweet Grass To The Packing House, From Birth To Death, We Wander Between The Two Eternities". An Old Cowboy.
User avatar
deMolay
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2671
Joined: Sun 04 Sep 2005, 03:00:00

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby dinopello » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 15:15:27

The owner of Wikileaks would have a few Predator drones targeting him with Hellfire missiles if it were up to Republican Rep Peter King.

Rep King declares Wikileaks a Terrorist Organization

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew York's own representative Peter King (R-LI), incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, was so bothered by the website's leaks that, in letters to Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, he's called for WikiLeaks to be designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO)


I'm not sure how to classify it, but it seems like an overreation coming from the incoming chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Wikileaks is a little extreme but the same type thing is done by news organizations occassionally and I suppose he would call the publisher Terrorists.
User avatar
dinopello
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6088
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: The Urban Village

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby Timo » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 15:41:27

Plantaganet, reading your complaints only leads me to assume that you wouldn't be happy unless the Obama administration adopted the same privacy and punishment policies as Communist China, or worse, North Korea. There, these leaks would warrent the death penalty, and the media is wholely state owned, anyway. What kind of America do you envision, exactly?
Timo
 

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 18:02:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'P')lantaganet, reading your complaints only leads me to assume that you wouldn't be happy unless the Obama administration adopted the same privacy and punishment policies as Communist China, or worse, North Korea. There, these leaks would warrent the death penalty, and the media is wholely state owned, anyway. What kind of America do you envision, exactly?


Hi Timo:

Your fantasies about the US adopting the same rules as China or North Korea so that document leaks warrant the death penalty are a bit extreme, IMHO, but don't let me dissuade you from hanging on to your dreams.

However, back here in the real world, US Attorney General Holder has just opened a criminal investigation into the leaks. This will be run by US rules, not by Chinese or North Korean rules as you imagined.

"To the extent that we can find anybody who was involved in the breaking of American law, who put at risk the assets and the people I have described, they will be held responsible; they will be held accountable," Holder said at a news conference ... He called the WikiLeaks probe "an active, ongoing criminal investigation."

Cheers!
User avatar
Plantagenet
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 26765
Joined: Mon 09 Apr 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby Timo » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 18:17:14

Interesting cop-out on my question, Plantagenet. But, it still stands, regardless of your fear in answering it. What kind of country would you be happy in? Republican one-party rule? THAT sounds exactly like communism.
Timo
 

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby americandream » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 18:29:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'I')nteresting cop-out on my question, Plantagenet. But, it still stands, regardless of your fear in answering it. What kind of country would you be happy in? Republican one-party rule? THAT sounds exactly like communism.


American Republicanism (liberal democrats) is dictatorship by the well fed and obese with well paid loudmouths. The American Democrats (social democrats) is dictatorship by the well fed and obese with smooth talkers. Communism is dictatorship by the working class with elected representatives from each commune.

There's a difference. Oh, and spouting the drivel that Rupert Murdoch feeds you does not make those facts any less facts.
americandream
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 8650
Joined: Mon 18 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 18:31:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', ' ')What kind of country would you be happy in? Republican one-party rule? THAT sounds exactly like communism.


Hi Timo:

I'm quite happy with my country now. Things are going great---on the national scene the electorate put a check on Obama and the dems by handing the House to the Republicans. With luck we'll be able to duplicate the success of the 90s, when a republican-controlled house and a democratic President produced balanced budgets and a booming economy. IN my own life I'm just back from a great trip and a very successful scientific project in China and to make everything perfect the local mom and pop ski area just opened here in central Alaska----it was fantastically beautiful there on Saturday and I can still ski like a demon.

How about you? What kind of country would you be happy in? We just had Democrat one-party rule for two years...if I may borrow your words---did it seem exactly like communism to you? Did that make you happy?

Cheers!
Image
User avatar
Plantagenet
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 26765
Joined: Mon 09 Apr 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby americandream » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 18:42:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', ' ')What kind of country would you be happy in? Republican one-party rule? THAT sounds exactly like communism.


Hi Timo:

I'm quite happy with my country now. Things are going great---on the national scene the electorate put a check on Obama and the dems by handing the House to the Republicans. With luck we'll be able to duplicate the success of the 90s, when a republican-controlled house and a democratic President produced balanced budgets and a booming economy. IN my own life I'm just back from a great trip and a very successful scientific project in China and to make everything perfect the local mom and pop ski area just opened here in central Alaska----it was fantastically beautiful there on Saturday and I can still ski like a demon.

How about you? What kind of country would you be happy in? We just had Democrat one-party rule for two years...if I may borrow your words---did it seem exactly like communism to you? Did that make you happy?

Cheers!
Image


Enjoyed the trip to the PEOPLES REPUBLIC of CHINA, bub? I hear its a veritable treasure trove of communist investing. I guess profitable communism is preferable to Obama (whoops post Bush communism), huh? Read your nonsense flip flop.

:lol:

:lol:
americandream
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 8650
Joined: Mon 18 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby Newfie » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 18:52:09

I do wish Plant would leave it alone, it is sooooooooooooooo predictable.

I do wish we would not engage in egging him on, it is sooooooooooooooooo predictable.
When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
User avatar
Newfie
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 18651
Joined: Thu 15 Nov 2007, 04:00:00
Location: Between Canada and Carribean

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby americandream » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 19:38:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') do wish Plant would leave it alone, it is sooooooooooooooo predictable.

I do wish we would not engage in egging him on, it is sooooooooooooooooo predictable.


This is hardly egging him on. The man proclaims to be a democrat with a small "d", he spends every opportunity lambasting Obama's communism and his one party rule and then he then presumes to go off to China like a happy chappie to do business.

China which is an investor's wet dream, China where there is one party rule, the China Wall Street so loves and the China where you get blasted away by a firing squad for stealing a foreign investors lolly. And he is the norm in seriously dysfunctional capitalist lalalaland.

Someone needs to remind him that just as he obviously worships one party voodoo communist/fascist dictatorships, some of us equaly worship worker dictatorships (the real ones). In other words, he needs to come clean and face up that he is a fascist, racist (unless there's money in it for him) and a hypocrite. Give Pretorian his due. At least he is honest about worshipping old Adolf and hating blacks.
americandream
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 8650
Joined: Mon 18 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby deMolay » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 20:51:50

"We Are All Travellers, From The Sweet Grass To The Packing House, From Birth To Death, We Wander Between The Two Eternities". An Old Cowboy.
User avatar
deMolay
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2671
Joined: Sun 04 Sep 2005, 03:00:00

Australian police investigate WikiLeaks founder

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 22:03:35

Sweden issued an arrest warrant about a week ago, and now Australia is looking for charges to bring against him too:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ANBERRA, Australia (AP) — Police were investigating whether any Australian law was broken by the latest leaking of confidential documents by online whistle-blower WikiLeaks, the attorney-general said Monday.

Robert McClelland said he was not aware of a request from the United States to cancel WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's Australian passport. A range of options were under consideration by Australian government agencies in response to the latest disclosure of classified U.S. material, he said.

McClelland told reporters there are "potentially a number of criminal laws" that could have been breached.
Defense Minister Stephen Smith said later that a cross-government committee was studying the documents to ascertain what damage could be done by their release.

"We need to take it ... step by step, but our starting and endpoint is essentially protecting Australia's national interest," Smith said in an interview on Sky News television. "This is an act which again one has no option but to absolutely condemn it. It potentially puts national security interests and it puts the safety and welfare of individuals at stake."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iwccD-L13DUSB8jYF5UvKgNNrSEA?docId=41d41fe6ed584a2297be0ac61fc8033a


Hillary Clinton has declared the leaks an attack on the international community:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;This disclosure is not just an attack on America's foreign policy interests -- it is an attack on the international community," she said.
http://www.news.com.au/world/wikileaks-is-an-attack-on-america-and-its-allies-clinton-says/story-e6frfkyi-1225963115678

US Justice Department says wikileaks under criminal investigation:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;This is not saber-rattling," said the attorney general, who declared that the Obama administration condemns the leaks.

Holder said the latest disclosure, involving classified State Department documents, puts at risk the security of the nation, its diplomats, intelligence assets and U.S. relationships with foreign governments.

"To the extent that we can find anybody who was involved in the breaking of American law, who put at risk the assets and the people I have described, they will be held responsible; they will be held accountable," Holder said at a news conference..
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9JPTK8G0&show_article=1

Meanwhile, Ecuador has offered Assange sanctuary:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n contrast to the potential hostility from U.S. allies, leftist-run Ecuador provided Assange with an invitation Monday.

Deputy Foreign Minister Kintto Lucas said in audio posted online by the EcuadorInmediato news site that "we are open to giving him residence in Ecuador, without any kind of trouble and without any kind of conditions."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112905655.html
Last edited by Ferretlover on Thu 28 Apr 2011, 22:18:57, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Merged thread.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Australian police investigate WikiLeaks founder

Postby eastbay » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 22:33:08

He should move to Ecuador, but maybe not Quito. The crime in Quito is staggering.
Got Dharma?

Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
User avatar
eastbay
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7186
Joined: Sat 18 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: One Mile From the Columbia River

Re: Australian police investigate WikiLeaks founder

Postby SeaGypsy » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 23:30:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'H')e should move to Ecuador, but maybe not Quito. The crime in Quito is staggering.


Yes but it's a very nice place to buy a horse and a horse is a good thing to have in Ecuador.

He could do worse.

Really legally the Aussies are clutching at straws.
The breach of law here was in the secrecy contract breach by the initial leaker.
Assange was under no such contract.

For Australia to lay charges on this case it would have to enact retrospective legislation covering international private contracts and information handling; something which would raise enormous public ire and distrust.

I am not aware of any law enabling the removal of a citizen's right to travel whilst outside Australia. A hold order can be issued only on Julian's arrival back in Australia and only then if a federal court thinks the case warrants such an order. Usually this level of restriction only applies to those who fail to pay tax or chid support and those with a warrant out for their arrest; something which is not likely given the quandry presented above.

Edit to add:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome Australian criminal laws, such as those relating to money laundering, bribery of foreign public officials, terrorism and child sex tourism, apply to Australians overseas. Australians who commit these offences while overseas may be prosecuted in Australia.

Australian authorities are committed to combating sexual exploitation of children by Australians overseas. Australians may be prosecuted at home under Australian child sex tourism laws. These laws provide severe penalties of up to 17 years imprisonment for Australians who engage in sexual activity with children under 16 while outside of Australia.


http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/index.html

So unless Assange is a pedarast, a terrorist or has bribed public officials or laundered money; he can't be guilty of an offense committed overseas under Australian law. What he has done falls under the heading of 'journalism' and laws applying to journalism generally support his actions in this case.
SeaGypsy
Master Prognosticator
Master Prognosticator
 
Posts: 9285
Joined: Wed 04 Feb 2009, 04:00:00
Top

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby deMolay » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 23:48:07

Foreign Papers are calling it unprecedented. Should Hillary Resign. A complete meltdown is underway in the US Foreign Service. http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 80,00.html
"We Are All Travellers, From The Sweet Grass To The Packing House, From Birth To Death, We Wander Between The Two Eternities". An Old Cowboy.
User avatar
deMolay
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2671
Joined: Sun 04 Sep 2005, 03:00:00

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby mattduke » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 23:57:36

Why do they call them "cables" when they are simply emails?
User avatar
mattduke
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3591
Joined: Fri 28 Oct 2005, 03:00:00

Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Postby Keith_McClary » Tue 30 Nov 2010, 01:04:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') do wish Plant would leave it alone, it is sooooooooooooooo predictable.

I do wish we would not engage in egging him on, it is sooooooooooooooooo predictable.


Why not start a "Planty's Obama Thread" for him?
Image
Facebook knows you're a dog.
User avatar
Keith_McClary
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 7344
Joined: Wed 21 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Suburban tar sands
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron