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THE Wikipedia Thread (merged)

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Mon 14 Feb 2005, 23:11:01

Publication: Scientific Computing & Instrumentation
Date: Feb 1, 2005
Section: News Briefs Page: 12

Wiki Wiki
The ability to allow many people to contribute to its content makes it a valuable tool where a repository of information is required John Joyce, Ph.D.
Wiki wiki means quick or super-fast in Hawaiian. It is also the name given to a hypertext document collection or Web site that allows content to be added and/or edited by anybody. The first wiki was developed in Perl by

Ward Cunningham in 1995 for the Portland Pattern Repository. By tradition, only this site is referred to as Wiki or WikiWikiWeb in upper case. All other sites are therefore referred to as wikis in lower case. While the English colloquial pronunciation is generally ‘wicky’ or ‘weekee’, the correct Hawaiian pronunciation is closer to ‘veekee’.

Since the creation of the original Wiki software, there have been many implementations of wiki engines. In addition to the original Perl, you can currently find implementations in a wide variety of languages. These range from Awk through Bash, C++, Lisp, Java, PHP, Ruby, Tcl, to VisualBasic, as well as active server page implementations. While the features included in a particular implementation will vary, the number and variety of language implementations mean that, no matter the hardware or operating system you are using, you should be able to find a package allowing you to implement a functioning wiki. Some of these are commercial packages, but many are released under a variety of open source licenses.

While you can download and install this software on your own server, there are also a variety of both free and commercial wiki hosts available. These include ProjectForum, Leg Joints and Team-Notepad. There are currently around a thousand public wiki projects, which are listed at SwitchWiki. No one knows how many non-public implementations have been launched.

The ability of a wiki to allow many people to contribute to its content makes it a valuable tool for many purposes where a repository of information is required. Online activities have included the production of encyclopedias, dictionaries and books. They have even been successfully used to document software projects on RubyForge.

One of the most visible proponents of wikis has been the Wikimedia Foundation Inc. Founded by Jimbo Wales in 2003, the objective of the foundation has been to nurture wikibased projects and to provide free public access to their contents. Active projects include Wiktionary, a multilingual dictionary; Wikibooks, a collection of royalty-free text books; and Wikiquote, a repository of famous quotes. However, their most wellknown project is undoubtedly Wikipedia, launched in 2001. It is one of the 500 most-visited Web sites and one of the largest collaboratively-edited reference projects in the world. These projects currently run on the
MediaWiki engine developed on SourceForge.

Wikipedia is a multi-language encyclopedia. The Wikipedia community has professed an intention to work with any interested parties to include as many of the World’s 6,500 languages as possible. The general reference to access a particular language in the encyclopedia is xx.wikipedia.org with the xx representing the ISO 639 two letter language code. For example, to access the English version of the Wikipedia, you would use the URL en.wikipedia.org. Alternate three-letter language codes are used for those languages not listed in the ISO 639 standard. The Wikipedia Web site lists 89 languages for which there has been at least some active development, ranging from Afrikaans to Yiddish with everything in between from Anglo-Saxon to Interlingua, Irish, Sanskrit, Welsh and Klingon! The system not only allows links between articles in the same language, but also allows interlinks between articles in different languages.

Participating in a wiki project, such as Wikipedia, is generally fairly straightforward. In most cases, once you have a wiki page displayed, you simply have to click on the Edit This Page
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WIKI Resources

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 13:08:38

And at Post Carbon Institute, we have:
http://www.postcarbon.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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Unread postby admin » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 15:00:21

Anyone want to run a wiki?

http://www.peakoil.com/wiki
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I know who:

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 20:57:01

I think we're looking for a Mr. Bytesmiths at this time.
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Re: I know who:

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Fri 04 Mar 2005, 21:36:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'I') think we're looking for a Mr. Bytesmiths at this time.
Uh, what the... sorry, I was dozing off there... :-)

I worked with Ward Cunningham in the '80's at Tektronix Laboratories, although I can't claim to have helped him develop the WikiWiki concept.

I'll be happy to do some Wiki stuff if someone with database access will add the SEEDS ecovillage to your InterWiki table. And my REAL motivation would be to have people contribute to the SEEDS Wiki.

The InterWiki table makes it simple for different wikis to link to each other. For example, I have to do http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/Energy here to link to our Energy page, but only need do [[SEEDS:energy|]] if InterWiki is set up.

The SEEDS wiki is at http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki.

To add this to your InterWiki table, someone with DBA access needs to do something like "INSERT INTO mw_interwiki SET iw_prefix=`SEEDS`, iw_url=`http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/$1`"

I just tried a few InterWiki links, and it looks like you really should load the entire InterWiki table from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map (that's the wiki page with text, there's also a link to the SQL download there).

Many people who frequent bulletin boards aren't comfortable with wikis, because it has a fundamentally different paradigm. Bulletin boards are organized chronologically, which makes it hard to revise and improve information content. Many threads end up rehashing earlier stuff by the time they get to page 10 or so!

Conversely, wikis are organized topically, with each contributor actually editing (or adding to) what previous folks wrote. There is also a chronological component in that each page has history. The end result is that wikis tend to be more civil than bulletin boards.

The best known and most successful wiki is perhaps http://www.WikiPedia.com and I see that this site is running the same software (MediaWiki), as I am, too.

I'm working on MediaWiki extensions that will support many bulletin-board-like things, like polls, blogs, and database access.

I'm not sure what John had in mind when he called me out, but I'd be happy to frequent the wiki or even admin it if needed.
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Unread postby EnviroEngr » Sat 05 Mar 2005, 00:07:38

Admin, Agreeable? I'll see what kind support this effort needs and what it'll take to provide it.
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Let's get the wiki going!

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Sun 20 Mar 2005, 19:11:37

I've grown bored of the flaming and re-hashing on the forums. How about getting the wiki REALLY going?

The only reason to delay might be to wait for 1.4, which is imminent. (Although 1.4rc1 is supposedly pretty good.) 1.4 adds table prefixes, which is pretty much required for any site that needs to share a database.

I did offer to admin it.

If anyone is going to admin it, it would be GREAT if it had diagrams. Can someone install Graphviz, please? It goes in /wiki/extensions. I have a version that is (IMHO) much nicer than the Graphviz installed on Wikipedia, in that it allows non-hierarchical layout engines, and text wrapping.

Info/tutorial on my version of Graphviz: http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/Test:Graphviz

Download my version of Graphviz: http://www.Bytesmiths.com/InfoArk/Graphviz.php.gz

I've put a simple Graphviz diagram on the Peak Oil wiki: http://www.PeakOil.com/wiki/index.php/Graphviz , but it ain't gonna work until the extension gets installed. Whomever installs the extension can use that page as a test. The result should look like this:

Image

Also, it would be nice to fix your apache httpd.conf (or included file) so that nicer URLs can be used -- it gets rid of the "index.html" in the middle of the URL. (Seed the IslandSeeds.org wiki URL above.)

Finally, it needs to have Thomas Gries ENotif extension, which causes watched pages to conditionally send the user email when they change. Without this extension, it's impossible to control vandalism and spamming.

http://meta.wikipedia.org/Enotif

BTW: what happened to Peakoil Jane? She looks like a Nick Nolte mug shot!
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Unread postby EnviroEngr » Sun 20 Mar 2005, 19:20:45

Has Admin been on the slopes again?

Sorry about that Bytesmiths. I'll try to get an answer for ya.
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Re: Let's get the wiki going!

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Sun 20 Mar 2005, 19:26:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', 'A')lso, it would be nice to fix your apache httpd.conf (or included file) so that nicer URLs can be used -- it gets rid of the "index.html" in the middle of the URL. (Seed the IslandSeeds.org wiki URL above.)

This is what needs to go into httpd.conf (or equivalent included file)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '#
# MediaWiki pretty URLs
#
# Using Aliases
<Directory "/full/path/to/wiki">
Alias /wiki/stylesheets /full/path/to/wiki/stylesheets
Alias /wiki/style /full/path/to/wiki/style
Alias /wiki/images /full/path/to/wiki/images
Alias /wiki/skins /full/path/to/wiki/skins
Alias /wiki/redirect.php /full/path/to/wiki/redirect.php
Alias /wiki/textvc.php /full/path/to/wiki/textvc.php
Alias /wiki/index.php /full/path/to/wiki/index.php
Alias /wiki /full/path/to/wiki/index.php
</Directory>
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WIKI Go ahead

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Wed 23 Mar 2005, 19:28:36

Bytesmiths,

The answer is: Let me know what you need to start with this project and I will get it to you.

For this:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ll be happy to do some Wiki stuff if someone with database access will add the SEEDS ecovillage to your InterWiki table. And my REAL motivation would be to have people contribute to the SEEDS Wiki.
If you cannot do this yourself as admin, PM Aaron and he can help you get it set up.

You will be the administrator of the WIKI.

Also, don't hesitate to contact Dave Room at Post Carbon Inst. to tie into the effort being made there... could save time.

Any questions, let me know.

Tag. You're it.
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Re: WIKI Go ahead

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Thu 24 Mar 2005, 04:45:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', ' ')If you cannot do this yourself as admin, PM Aaron and he can help you get it set up.
Done!
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WIKI Setup

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Thu 24 Mar 2005, 13:51:05

As always, let me know if you need assistance.

This is a worthy project and it should be of great use and benefit.

Thanks in advance for all your work.
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Unread postby EnviroEngr » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 19:17:44

I finally set up my account.

Is this still an issue? ---->

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, tried to send this off to my user page on SEEDS (http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/User:Jan_Steinman), but you don't have an up-to-date InterWiki map installed.
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Unread postby entropyfails » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 20:53:26

Woot!

My dark hope has been fufilled. A peak oil wiki without me having to do the setup. Time to get down and start mining the good stuff from the forums and reformat it into a wiki.

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Re: WIKI MI

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 21:11:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'I') finally set up my account.

Is this still an issue? ---->$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, tried to send this off to my user page on SEEDS (http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/User:Jan_Steinman), but you don't have an up-to-date InterWiki map installed.
Yes, I sent PM to Aaron, explaining what I need to do what I'd like to do with the wiki, and got no response.

People can still use the wiki, but it's just another wiki, whereas I'd like to to be a way cool wiki!

I know I'm not going to feel like putting much content in until it has at least Graphviz and EasyTimeline. I also have a Ploticus extension I'd like to install, which would allow collaborative editing of of arbitrary value-based graphs, whereas Graphviz is entity-relationship graphing. EasyTimeline is a front-end to Ploticus that takes some of the rough edges off the syntax for those who primarily want to make time lines.

John, do you want me to copy you on what I sent Aaron?
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Re: WIKI MI 2

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 21:29:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'I') finally set up my account.

Is this still an issue? ---->$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, tried to send this off to my user page on SEEDS (http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/User:Jan_Steinman), but you don't have an up-to-date InterWiki map installed.

Yes, I sent PM to Aaron, explaining what I need to do what I'd like to do with the wiki, and got no response.

<snip>

John, do you want me to copy you on what I sent Aaron?


Yes; I can keep a circular flow of information going through several channels at the same time if I know what's getting back-watered.

If anything is worth a high hail-Mary, this would be it.
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Unread postby Ayoob_Reloaded » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 21:31:16

I'd like to contribute to the wiki effort too. I can't program at all, but I'd like to work on putting content in there.
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Unread postby EnviroEngr » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 21:38:20

Jan,

He's all yours.

I'll get to work on Admin1 and Admin2.
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Unread postby Bytesmiths » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 22:17:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', 'I')'d like to contribute to the wiki effort too. I can't program at all, but I'd like to work on putting content in there.
The more, the merrier! Welcome!

Have you done any wiki work before? If not, I'd first refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction which is a gentle introduction and tutorial to wikidom.

First, create an account using the link at the top right of the page. I haven't checked the config on the PeakOil wiki yet, but many wikis require an account for editing. It would be nice if the wiki could use the same login info as Peak Oil proper, but that requires work on the PHP source, which I don't have yet.

You generally start out by editing an existing page, such as the "Main Page" that welcomes you when you first go to http://www.PeakOil.com/wiki . If you simply want to make a new page, figure out some meaningful way to refer to it. Naming is crucial to keeping content available and relevant, but names can be changed afterward, if needed. Once you've got that figured out, make a link to it on the page you're editing by putting [[double square brackets]] around it. This is all it takes to make a link!

Once you've done that, save your changes, then click on the link to get to the page you're creating, and add content to that page.

Unlike HTML websites, where "dead links" are frowned upon, wikizens often put empty links on their pages. These are to be interpreted as an invitation to write the attached page. So if you're writing an essay on the depletion of the Gawhar oil field, you might write something like this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Some wiki author', 'T')he Gawhar field is quickly reaching [[depletion]], which mean it is [[peaking]].


The words "depletion" and "peaking" will appear as a red link, inviting others to flesh them out by clicking on them and further defining them.

There are tons of formatting options. You can include images, and in such a way that they have text flowing around them and are thumbnails that link to larger images, for example. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing for lots of information about editing and formatting -- you may want to print this out and have it nearby when editing pages.

There are extensions that I am trying to get installed that allow collaborative authoring of either node-edge or cartesian graphics. See http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/Test:Graphviz and http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/Test:Ploticus .

Above all, the Wiki Way is collaborative and egoless. Some people generate ideas, others flesh them out, still others delight in formatting and graphic design. It tends to have better content and fewer flames than bulletin boards and forums. People who vandalize or inflame get banned.

So jump right in! I try to check changes every few days, but will do it more often as more happens there.
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Unread postby entropyfails » Sun 27 Mar 2005, 06:39:21

Make
http://www.peakoil.com/wiki/index.php/S ... entchanges

part of your daily peakoil.com reading.

And please go there and add tons of content. I've set up a possible framework for the thing so far.

Make sure to check the "Discussion" tab along the top of each page. This will allow us to chat about how we want a page to develop.

I have suggested a more conservative tone for the theory and allow more of a speculative nature on the consequences side. I’ve included a spot for adding planning links.

Lets stop talking here about it and go to the wiki and start adding stuff. *grin*

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