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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 00:17:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'F')irst Obama goes to Saudi and bows then to Saudi King---Then the Obama administration leaks all the top secret diplomatic communications between Saudi and the US. [smilie=dontknow.gif]


Let's attempt for just a minute at least to expand the discussion beyond Obama.


Good luck with that request. ;)


Rejoice, Mos and Six.

The discussion has now shifted to Bush. :roll:
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 00:30:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '.')..is any of this "new" information to anyone?


The biggest surprise I saw was the release of cables from Hillary Clinton to her diplomats at the UN and also to State Department people participating in the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and such directing them to spy and collect specific kinds of digital and biometric (DNA?) data about people ranging from the UN secretary general on down.

The cables would seem to be a smoking gun showing that the Obama administration intentionally broke the UN treaties prohibiting spying at the UN.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby yeahbut » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 00:54:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he cables would seem to be a smoking gun showing that the Obama administration intentionally broke the UN treaties prohibiting spying at the UN.


They all do it. The Bush administration did it to Kofi Annan and Hans Blix, amongst god knows how many others. The only thing new here is wikileaks.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 01:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he cables would seem to be a smoking gun showing that the Obama administration intentionally broke the UN treaties prohibiting spying at the UN.


They all do it. The Bush administration did it ....


Of course they all do it.

But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.

The cables are indisputable evidence proving that the Obama administration broke the UN treaties against spying. Thats what the words "smoking gun" mean.

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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 01:20:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')The fact that we still tolerate Saudi funding of terrorism is outrageous..


How do we NOT tolerate it? Stop driving?


That's a problem with puppet dictators and protectorates - they're difficult to replace and they know it. You replaced your onetime pals Saddam and Noreiga when they got uppity, but I think SA and the Gulf states are a house of cards.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby diemos » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 01:45:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.


Leaking things is not a safe activity. Usually there is some significant thing that the leaker is trying to expose. That's what I don't get about this. There doesn't seem to be any particular thing in this case that the leaker is trying to expose. It seems like there is no motivation beyond trying to generally embarrass the administration.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 01:48:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'F')irst Obama goes to Saudi and bows then to Saudi King


Yes but he didn't kiss him, then walk around holding hands. :lol:

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Since the President is Commander-in-Chief, shouldn't 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' have applied? :lol:
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 01:59:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'S')o this is more a case of an imperial head seeking to use another imperial head with more firepower to see off a competitor.


No, it's Bush hiring out the US military as a mercenary force to do Saudi Arabia's bidding.

Bush 1 did it, Bush 2 did it. Nice to know what your children really died for, isn't it?

They died to pad the pockets of America's elites, while supporting Saudi hegemony in the Middle East.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby americandream » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 02:32:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'S')o this is more a case of an imperial head seeking to use another imperial head with more firepower to see off a competitor.


No, it's Bush hiring out the US military as a mercenary force to do Saudi Arabia's bidding.

Bush 1 did it, Bush 2 did it. Nice to know what your children really died for, isn't it?

They died to pad the pockets of America's elites, while supporting Saudi hegemony in the Middle East.


Seeing as the House of Saud is a British invention, it's hard to work out who shouts first when it gets to this lot doing things. The Saudi nobs are, IMHO, dimwits, given the precarious nature of their kingdom (and empire) and the depth of wealth therein, in comparison to the West. So I'm inclined to view Arab notions of geo-political leverage with amusement. On the other hand, it serves Western interests to have a naive tactician heading up the Arab Empire.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 02:40:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.


Leaking things is not a safe activity. Usually there is some significant thing that the leaker is trying to expose. That's what I don't get about this. There doesn't seem to be any particular thing in this case that the leaker is trying to expose. It seems like there is no motivation beyond trying to generally embarrass the administration.


Why does there have to be a motivation for it? Its could be just another totally embarrassing screw-up by the Obama administration....
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 02:44:46

There you are wrong. The fact that Britain drew national borders on the map is meaningless.

In the Middle East nations don't exist, families do. This certain family controls a major resource. Oil is tangible where as money is not. Money is an illusion.

It's all about the resources.

As in the book Dune, He who controls the spice, controls the universe.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 02:47:23

The pictures of Bush weren't photoshopped. :lol:

Fool.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby diemos » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 02:54:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Why does there have to be a motivation for it? Its could be just another totally embarrassing screw-up by the Obama administration....


Planty you are so over the top with your partisanship. A screw-up by the Obama administration? You think that Obama accidentally checked the "leak" box on the form instead of "do not leak".

The bureaucracy that handles day to day security doesn't change with a change in administration.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 03:08:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Why does there have to be a motivation for it? Its could be just another totally embarrassing screw-up by the Obama administration....


Planty you are so over the top with your partisanship. A screw-up by the Obama administration? You think that Obama accidentally checked the "leak" box on the form instead of "do not leak".

The bureaucracy that handles day to day security doesn't change with a change in administration.


diemy you are so over the top with your partisanship. You don't think having 250,000 top secret cables from the Obama administration leaked to Wikileaks represents a screw-up by the Obama administration? You think that all they have to do is check a "don't leak" box rather then carefully guarding the security of top secret documents?

This is being described as the worst security leak in decades. Something is clearly wrong with the security procedures in DC. This is the fourth major leak of administration documents to Wikileaks in the last two years. We've seen White House documents, CIA documents, Pentagon documents and now State Department documents leaked.

There were new people appointed by the Obama administration to be in charge of all the agencies dealing with day to day security when the Obama administration took over the government. The Obama people are clearly failing to prevent leaks, find the leakers, and stop future leaks. 8)
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 04:05:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')s in the book Dune, He who controls the spice, controls the universe.

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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby americandream » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 05:16:46

...deleted by Fidel that black man is just another mandarin for capitalism.

... deleted by Fidel. :lol:
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 06:36:41

Plantagenet, Your disinformation campaign is moronic. They already know who did it, and have him in custody. He was an Army PFC with access to military intelligence computers through which he hacked the State Dept secure net.

Nothing to do with Obama. Everything to do with the class war. Even a lowly PFC with the right skills and the right access can bring the mighty to their knees. Exposing the truth, which the people of a Democracy require in order to govern themselves, is a patriotic act.

It's time to shine the spotlight into every dark corner.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby deMolay » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 08:03:12

This is the only site that is posting the unedited leaks as they become available. Interesting. http://statelogs.owni.fr/
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT

Unread postby Crazy_Dad » Mon 29 Nov 2010, 09:10:48

http://www.smh.com.au/world/spooks-and- ... 18e12.html

Now the PTB will lock him up for truth? If the truth is THAT BAD then we should know it.
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