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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT
by americandream » Tue 30 Nov 2010, 01:39:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'W')hy do they call them "cables" when they are simply emails?
A linguistic hangover from the days when they used the telegraph I suspect.
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Re: Australian police investigate WikiLeaks founder
by americandream » Tue 30 Nov 2010, 01:45:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'H')e should move to Ecuador, but maybe not Quito. The crime in Quito is staggering.
Or Venezuela or Cuba.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT
by Kristen » Tue 30 Nov 2010, 02:02:47
Or because technically emails are sent over "cables" specifically CAT 6 or CAT 5E
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT
by drgoodword » Tue 30 Nov 2010, 02:20:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')f course they all do it.
But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.
But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.
Not exactly...
In early March 2003, an NSA memo was leaked to the U.K.'s Observer newspaper outlining an American plan to bug the phones and emails of key Security Council members in order to bolster support for a war against Iraq.
Link to the Observer article.
The U.S. never denied the contents of this remarkable leak.
At the time this memo was leaked, I was closely following the ugly buildup to the U.S. invasion of Iraq and had participated in the Toronto contingent of the three big antiwar marches prior to the invasion. When the Observer article about this leak was published, I was both astounded and delighted. Astounded that such a major blunder had been made by the Bush administration...delighted over the prospect that this kind of bombshell disclosure could perhaps stop the invasion from happening. I posted my thoughts on a left-wing Canadian political forum that I frequent. To my suprise, many of the more experienced and cooler-headed members of the forum tried to gently talk me down from my enthusiastic anticipations. They said this leaked memo would change nothing and would be forgotten within a couple of weeks. And so it was. It turned out that a strongly sourced memo detailing American plans to spy on UN diplomats to blackmail them into supporting America's invasion plans for Iraq meant nothing. Case in point: how many of you here remember this leaked memo?
The Observer scored a number of journalistic coups during the first five years of the Iraq invasion, including the infamous Downing Street memos. None of it much mattered in terms of changing the course of the war or foreign policy. That's why I predict that this current batch of wikileaks leaks will have zero long-term effect, and will be largely forgotten by Christmas. No one will have to resign...no wars will be shortened...and Iran's nuclear facilities will still be bombed sometime this decade.
The only thing that motivates true change in a democracy, imo, is debilitating and long-lasting economic hardship. If enough people have enough to eat and no one is being forced to die (the single biggest factor in America's Vietnam-era political turmoil was conscription...a decently paid volunteer army can die by the thousands and nothing will change, despite the considerable political noise), then no amount of government corruption, deceit and incompetence will force significant political change.
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Re: First Dump of Wikileaks at NYT
by Plantagenet » Tue 30 Nov 2010, 02:51:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')f course they all do it.
But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.
But only the Obama administration slipped up and allowed the actual cables ordering the diplomats to act as spies to become public.
Not exactly...
In early March 2003, an NSA memo was leaked....
1. Do the math. There is a big difference between one memo and 250,000 secret documents from the state department.
No US administration in decades has suffered this large a security breach.
2. Everyone knows the US and other governments have spies who bug and spy on others. The whole pupose of having secret spy agencies is to do illegal activities like spying. But there is a big difference between the NSA, a secret spy agency having plans to have their spies secretly do some illegal spying, and Hillary Clinton directing her UN diplomats to illegally spy on the UN secretary general and others. Diplomats aren't supposed to be spies, especially at the UN where the charter (to which the US is a signatory) specifically prohibits spying by the diplomats accredited to the UN.
In fact, the UN has just accused the US of breaching international law when Hillary directed her diplomats to spy.
UN says Wikileaks shows that the Obama administration broke international law
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