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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 17:41:09

I just re-read all 7 pages of this thread - did I miss sources or examples where FOX acknowledges their bias?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby AgentR » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 17:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'I') just re-read all 7 pages of this thread - did I miss sources or examples where FOX acknowledges their bias?


No. There is no source other than what I said. If you think I am remembering in error, or lying, or confused; that is fine. I didn't claim a documented source or quotation and won't be doing so.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby AgentR » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 17:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')as so ideologically blinkered that she could not fathom the plain fact that the liberal media were presenting the news and the world through a particular lens. The idea that it was particular, and that there might be competing ones, perhaps even superior ones, was beyond her ken.


That is the real point of the original post though. The original post clearly indicates that Fox's viewpoints are not in step with other media outlets; and this causes consternation amongst those who used to have a monopoly on creating opinion.

The best part of course, is that Fox is not going away. They are simply too big to be silenced.

So guys, suck it up. The propaganda of the NYT has competition from the propaganda of Fox. Competition is a good thing, no?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 18:25:42

Why are liberals obsessed with Fox News?

Why are liberals obsessed with Fox News?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby HeckuvaJob » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:12:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')hat is the real point of the original post though. The original post clearly indicates that Fox's viewpoints are not in step with other media outlets; and this causes consternation amongst those who used to have a monopoly on creating opinion.

The best part of course, is that Fox is not going away. They are simply too big to be silenced.

So guys, suck it up. The propaganda of the NYT has competition from the propaganda of Fox. Competition is a good thing, no?

It's a shame to see someone settling for battle of the propaganda. Don't you think we deserve better? If, by your own admission, all MSM is propaganda, then why not give independent media a try?

Personally, I think the stakes are too high to willingly settle for propaganda: talking points enter the echo chamber, countries are invaded, people die, bucks are passed.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby Jotapay » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:23:05

This thread is really boring. People arguing over the obvious. You act like you discovered sometihng new in this well-known charade. Bravo. /golfclap

You are wasting your valuable time and energy.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby mos6507 » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:27:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', '
')why not give independent media a try?


Could you define what "independent media" is?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby AgentR » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:36:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', ' ')Don't you think we deserve better? If, by your own admission, all MSM is propaganda, then why not give independent media a try?


Because source material is better.
Its available, if one is interested enough.

Just take all the hours of the week that you currently burn on "independent" media; and spend it on cspan instead. But of course then.. you have to listen to comments and explanations that are longer than thirty seconds and two paragraphs; might be a shock for some. From there you can dig up numbers that are of interest to you, maybe do a little math if appropriate.

If you are looking for gotcha politics, and think thats news.. well, I suppose independents might be interesting; but to me; they always seem more about what he said or she said, or who got money from whom; none of which I give a rat's tail end about. I care how they vote; what they sign; who they kill, and what they acquire for the nation. Let me know when your independents do an expose on something interesting like... site by site cataloging of coal fired generation facilities constructed in China within the last ten years... or description and projections concerning oil fields brought into the dollar traded system as a result of the conquest of Iraq. You know.. REAL stuff.

I just don't see how independent fluff is any better than Fox fluff, or CNN fluff. Its useless propaganda that belongs scribbled on the backpages of the Inquirer. That it passes for journalism is sad.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby AgentR » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:38:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou are wasting your valuable time and energy.


Better than watching TV.
I think.

Besides, it was obviously interesting enough for you to post your comment! lol
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby Jotapay » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:49:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou are wasting your valuable time and energy.


Better than watching TV.
I think.

Besides, it was obviously interesting enough for you to post your comment! lol


As with others, I've learned what I needed to learn here. For which I'm grateful and I hope to give back, seeing as I have a science degree in Geology and whatnot. Watching you fight has become boring and a waste of everyones' time, when we need to be working together. I tire of this.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby HeckuvaJob » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 02:32:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'C')ould you define what "independent media" is?

Maybe alternative media is more accurate, but I can give you my definition: media (TV, radio, newspapers) that is not owned by corporations - which have a fiduciary duty to maximize profit. They are legally obligated to act in the best interest of their shareholders.*

My main concern is conflict of interest. My paranoia stems from my interactions with drug reps, manufacturer supplied drug info and evaluating medical literature (who funded the study? Who funds the think tank that commissioned the study? study design, sample size, statistical significance, etc).

General Electric has military contracts. GE also owns NBC. Can we trust NBC news regarding the necessity of invading Iraq?

NPR accepts donations from ADM and Homeland Security, two entities involved with some controversial issues. I used to be an NPR addict, then I heard Doug Feith state that any foreign country that has a US military base within its borders wants it there. This went unchallenged by host Ira Flatow (sp?). Apparently neither of them had read any Chalmers Johnson.

Without doubt, the biggest kick-in-nuts was discovering the CounterSpin podcast located at FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting). You should give it a try.

In many ways, the CNN vs Fox debate really is irrelevant because of one simple fact: nobody questions our empire. We fight over sundae toppings, but the question of whether or not we should be eating dessert never comes up. What do I mean by empire? Not just our 725 military bases in 130 countries, military budgets, defense contracts, etc. but I also include lobbying, the revolving door of Washington DC and corporate boardrooms, the Federal Reserve, taxes and how they're spent - monkeys that we've had on our backs for so long we don't even notice them anymore.

The good news? We could have the change we want. The bad news? First we have to decide what toppings we're getting.

*Edit: check out Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby mos6507 » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 08:59:04

You know, there is more to news than fitting everything into the singular puzzle of "US Empire". You really didn't give me an example of a news source that is acceptable to you in your estimation. I'm waiting for it because I can almost assure you that although it may not be spoiled by the influence of a corporate agenda, it surely has an ideological agenda. That it matches your ideological slant doesn't mean you can claim it's "the truth" anymore than conservatives claiming FoxNews is fair and balanced makes sense.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby AgentR » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 10:16:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')atching you fight has become boring and a waste of everyones' time, when we need to be working together. I tire of this.


In a funny way, this *is* working together.

Besides, if you tire of it, you can stop reading a particular thread. Its what I do once I feel I've adequately presented my thoughts on a matter, and discussed their merits and failings to my satisfaction.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Postby HeckuvaJob » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 21:00:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou know, there is more to news than fitting everything into the singular puzzle of "US Empire".

I agree 100% In fact local and state news probably has a more direct impact on our daily life than world/national events. Good point!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou really didn't give me an example of a news source that is acceptable to you in your estimation.

:shock: I listed my favorite and gave you a personal invitation to give it a spin!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')'m waiting for it because I can almost assure you that although it may not be spoiled by the influence of a corporate agenda, it surely has an ideological agenda.

Your wait is over.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')hat it matches your ideological slant doesn't mean you can claim it's "the truth" anymore than conservatives claiming FoxNews is fair and balanced makes sense.

If I've ever claimed something as "The Truth" for the simple reason I agree with it, then that was an error on my part.
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Jesse Ventura on Fox News

Postby Carlhole » Mon 18 Oct 2010, 12:41:25

Jesse Ventura interview on Fox Business

Gotta love his political rant. Dems/Repubs in bed together. Says that upon his election as Governor of Minnesota, was brought (by an embedded CIA agent) in front of some sort of of powerful panel. Says "Revolution" has quieter ways. He'll be covering the Pentagon attack in his new season of 'Conspiracy Theories'.
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Re: Jesse Ventura on Fox News

Postby Carlhole » Mon 18 Oct 2010, 13:18:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spY8giVCbxA]Jesse Ventura interview on Fox Business[/url]

Gotta love his political rant. Dems/Repubs in bed together. Says that upon his election as Governor of Minnesota, was brought (by an embedded CIA agent) in front of some sort of of powerful panel. Says "Revolution" has quieter ways. He'll be covering the Pentagon attack in his new season of 'Conspiracy Theories'.
What does he say publically regarding 911? How far will he go on his show?


The show is stylized a bit like "Unsolved Mysteries" except its Jesse Ventura and has his kind WWF tone. Personally, I don't think JV debates the issue very well, but his conviction and personality pour out on the air so that's not bad.

He's pretty much a convinced Truther - someone for whom 911 looks very much like a monstrous crime that has gone uninvestigated.

The 911 controversy is heating up again for many reasons, among them are a FOIA-forced release recently of 3 terabytes of information which NIST has been holding onto all the years.

9/11 Firefighters Reveal Huge Explosions Before Towers Collapsed

Truthers probably want Ventura to stop dancing around the edges of the REAL, BEST evidence. The Pentagon attack is interesting and also controversial, but the official version of it is not nearly so handily slammed as the official version of the collapse of WTC7. It's much easier to show the impossibilities in the building collapses in NY. But Ventura seems to like to pick his own arguments. Maybe he gets to show off a little that way.
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Re: Jesse Ventura on Fox News

Postby Lore » Mon 18 Oct 2010, 13:22:57

How does this show compare with the top box office movie this weekend, Jackass 3D?
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Re: Jesse Ventura on Fox News

Postby Carlhole » Mon 18 Oct 2010, 14:15:09

Referring to one show in the upcoming season, Ventura said, "You are going to get the first confession to the murder of JFK on our program...".
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