Pops, Neither Bush One nor Bush Two were conservatives. They were both statist and the former even more than the latter was pushing for a one world government. I in no way support either the suspension of habius corpus or the patriot act. Both of these acts are unconstitutional and a violation of our civil rights. Those issues are straw men.
As far as economic policies are concerned I can’t tell the difference between the democratic or the republican parties. We can’t get a budget passed but somehow in the middle of it all congress passed with lightening speed HR3808. I am still having difficulty sorting out the difference between a bribe and a campaign donation.
President Obama stepped up to the plate and vetoed this attempt to legalize the fraud of the big banks. For that, I could kiss him.
Your assertion that small arms are insignificant is an assertion that all resistance can be eliminated with a trident submarine or an A-10 Warthog. I have never been in a nuclear submarine but I have had A-10’s fly right over the top of me. Impressive they are.
You going to turn those weapons loose on our cities? Don’t you think some of those pilots have people in our cities? Do you really think all the pilots in a squadron are going to allow their mates to blow the hell out of Main Street with a thirty millimeter cannon?
I don’t think so. I think you are missing a crucial point here. An armed citizenry forces those who would oppress them in to making deadly choices. The public might swallow the arrest of a large number of people in effort to disarm them. That same public would be more likely to recoil at the idea of killing a large number of people in order to disarm them.
And those who would do the disarming may be more reluctant if their very lives are at stake.
I do not agree with Randy Weaver’s position on white separatism. But that is not the point. The point is that an agency that perceived itself as omnipotent put a bullet in a woman’s brain while she was standing in her kitchen holding her child.
In Waco our government drove tanks through a building full of children. Regardless of what their parents had done, those children were innocent.
Before you disregard those rusty old Enfields out on that Afghan Plains I suggest you wear for a day the vest that is necessary to stop that bullet. Until you put it on, you will not appreciate the back breaking, knee grinding weight.
I have a 67 year old T-4 Enfield sniper that will shoot a clover leaf at one hundred yards.
We lost in Vietnam or have you forgotten. We are going to lose in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the bone crusher of great empires. Ask the Russians; ask the Brits; ask Alexander the Great. They all went in with great expectations and the left with tails between their legs. Hubris will get you killed.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Cloud9 » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 21:22:59
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Ludi » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 21:29:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'P')ops, Neither Bush One nor Bush Two were conservatives. They were both statist and the former even more than the latter was pushing for a one world government. I in no way support either the suspension of habius corpus or the patriot act. Both of these acts are unconstitutional and a violation of our civil rights.
Where was the Tea Party then? Where were the real conservatives then?
Voting Republican.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by gollum » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 21:33:44
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'P')ops, Neither Bush One nor Bush Two were conservatives. They were both statist and the former even more than the latter was pushing for a one world government. I in no way support either the suspension of habius corpus or the patriot act. Both of these acts are unconstitutional and a violation of our civil rights. Those issues are straw men.
As far as economic policies are concerned I can’t tell the difference between the democratic or the republican parties. We can’t get a budget passed but somehow in the middle of it all congress passed with lightening speed HR3808. I am still having difficulty sorting out the difference between a bribe and a campaign donation.
President Obama stepped up to the plate and vetoed this attempt to legalize the fraud of the big banks. For that, I could kiss him.
Your assertion that small arms are insignificant is an assertion that all resistance can be eliminated with a trident submarine or an A-10 Warthog. I have never been in a nuclear submarine but I have had A-10’s fly right over the top of me. Impressive they are.
You going to turn those weapons loose on our cities? Don’t you think some of those pilots have people in our cities? Do you really think all the pilots in a squadron are going to allow their mates to blow the hell out of Main Street with a thirty millimeter cannon?
I don’t think so. I think you are missing a crucial point here. An armed citizenry forces those who would oppress them in to making deadly choices. The public might swallow the arrest of a large number of people in effort to disarm them. That same public would be more likely to recoil at the idea of killing a large number of people in order to disarm them.
And those who would do the disarming may be more reluctant if their very lives are at stake.
I do not agree with Randy Weaver’s position on white separatism. But that is not the point. The point is that an agency that perceived itself as omnipotent put a bullet in a woman’s brain while she was standing in her kitchen holding her child.
In Waco our government drove tanks through a building full of children. Regardless of what their parents had done, those children were innocent.
Before you disregard those rusty old Enfields out on that Afghan Plains I suggest you wear for a day the vest that is necessary to stop that bullet. Until you put it on, you will not appreciate the back breaking, knee grinding weight.
I have a 67 year old T-4 Enfield sniper that will shoot a clover leaf at one hundred yards.
We lost in Vietnam or have you forgotten. We are going to lose in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the bone crusher of great empires. Ask the Russians; ask the Brits; ask Alexander the Great. They all went in with great expectations and the left with tails between their legs. Hubris will get you killed.
As far as economic policies are concerned I can’t tell the difference between the democratic or the republican parties. We can’t get a budget passed but somehow in the middle of it all congress passed with lightening speed HR3808. I am still having difficulty sorting out the difference between a bribe and a campaign donation.
President Obama stepped up to the plate and vetoed this attempt to legalize the fraud of the big banks. For that, I could kiss him.
Your assertion that small arms are insignificant is an assertion that all resistance can be eliminated with a trident submarine or an A-10 Warthog. I have never been in a nuclear submarine but I have had A-10’s fly right over the top of me. Impressive they are.
You going to turn those weapons loose on our cities? Don’t you think some of those pilots have people in our cities? Do you really think all the pilots in a squadron are going to allow their mates to blow the hell out of Main Street with a thirty millimeter cannon?
I don’t think so. I think you are missing a crucial point here. An armed citizenry forces those who would oppress them in to making deadly choices. The public might swallow the arrest of a large number of people in effort to disarm them. That same public would be more likely to recoil at the idea of killing a large number of people in order to disarm them.
And those who would do the disarming may be more reluctant if their very lives are at stake.
I do not agree with Randy Weaver’s position on white separatism. But that is not the point. The point is that an agency that perceived itself as omnipotent put a bullet in a woman’s brain while she was standing in her kitchen holding her child.
In Waco our government drove tanks through a building full of children. Regardless of what their parents had done, those children were innocent.
Before you disregard those rusty old Enfields out on that Afghan Plains I suggest you wear for a day the vest that is necessary to stop that bullet. Until you put it on, you will not appreciate the back breaking, knee grinding weight.
I have a 67 year old T-4 Enfield sniper that will shoot a clover leaf at one hundred yards.
We lost in Vietnam or have you forgotten. We are going to lose in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the bone crusher of great empires. Ask the Russians; ask the Brits; ask Alexander the Great. They all went in with great expectations and the left with tails between their legs. Hubris will get you killed.
Well put, well put indeed!
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Ludi » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 21:44:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')Well put, well put indeed!
')Well put, well put indeed!
So, where were the real conservatives during the Bush years?
Where was the Tea Party and talk of a Second Revolution? He was there for 8 years. No Tea Party, no talk of revolution.
For 8 years.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Cloud9 » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 21:53:29
The Tea Party is a tax revolt. It came into being with Rick Santellie’s rant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k&NR=1
If you ask your self where is the tax, look around. It is a stealth tax of a planned devaluation of the dollar. It won’t show up in your W-2. It’s showing up in the price of sugar, oil and gold.
Every person who did what he was supposed to do by saving for his future is being impoverished by design. Why do you think the stock market keeps on going up? The value of the market is not going up when you compare to real money i.e. gold. The most meteoric rise in stock prices in the history of the world was experienced in Zimbabwe when the government began printing fifty trillion dollar notes that would not even buy a big mack.
If you ask your self where is the tax, look around. It is a stealth tax of a planned devaluation of the dollar. It won’t show up in your W-2. It’s showing up in the price of sugar, oil and gold.
Every person who did what he was supposed to do by saving for his future is being impoverished by design. Why do you think the stock market keeps on going up? The value of the market is not going up when you compare to real money i.e. gold. The most meteoric rise in stock prices in the history of the world was experienced in Zimbabwe when the government began printing fifty trillion dollar notes that would not even buy a big mack.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by efarmer » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 22:28:46
I have read your posts and liked them for a long time. It is clear that being fair, moral, and reliable are highly prized in the place you make your mark in the world. This principle of the correct behavior not yielding the desired results is a hard pill for so many of us. But it has always been that way and always will be. Be of good cheer Cloud9, folks like you are the real treasure of this society, and they tend to clump in communities, which is also good. Nothing better than a big old clump of good eggs who play by rules and moral principles.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by gollum » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 22:39:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')Well put, well put indeed!
')Well put, well put indeed!
So, where were the real conservatives during the Bush years?
Where was the Tea Party and talk of a Second Revolution? He was there for 8 years. No Tea Party, no talk of revolution.
For 8 years.
Shamefully a lot of "conservatives" did indeed compromise their principles, as a lot of liberals do now. I seen little outcry about the wars, government spying, or the defecit from liberals now days...
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