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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 20:56:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')heir thought processes are chaotic, and this reflects what is pretty infantile state of mental development. Because of this fragmentation in the mental processes, they can embrace totally contradictory positions, which means that they have trouble embracing meaningless talking points about how the Dems love Communism (while the Republican factory owner ships their jobs to China). They are like babies, and slogans are like shiny keys that we jingle jangle in front of their faces.

I believe they call that "cognitive dissonance".
Is it dissonance if you don't notice?

I think it has more to do with "splitting," which goes back to the concept of psychological development going wrong at an early age, and a life long inability to maintain healthy relationships or process information in a useful way.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 21:09:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '
')Liberals are a deranged lot, projecting their fear and insecurity onto everyone else.



What would you say Liberals are mostly afraid of?

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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 21:20:47

Interesting notion, that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives because they are less attuned to threats in their environment.

What are conservatives afraid of, it is very simple. We are afraid of liberals who will come with the full force of the state to take what we have.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 21:34:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', ' ')We are afraid of liberals who will come with the full force of the state to take what we have.


What do you have that you expect the state to take? And why would the state only take stuff from conservatives and not liberals? Or are the liberals just not aware of these threats to their stuff?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 21:41:51

How about my pension fund, my gold, my silver, my guns and maybe even my life if I don't march to the same drum.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 21:46:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'H')ow about my pension fund, my gold, my silver, my guns and maybe even my life if I don't march to the same drum.


Wow, that's a lot to be afraid of! Do you have any evidence the Liberals are planning to do any of this? And how does one tell if one is marching to the proper drum? 8O
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 22:16:32

Gold confiscation under Roosevelt.
Eric Holder's stated position on firearms.
Clinton’s assault on Waco and Ruby Ridge
A general discussion on the rolling state and private pension funds into social security.

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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby efarmer » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 22:52:31

They folk who warn you about the big dangerous boogey man often suggest where you should put your treasure so it is safe. And then they steal it while you are sweating the boogey man.

You been programmed to be afraid all your life of everyone other than the people who will rob you and sell you down the river.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 22:56:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')hese are the seeds of a radical movement within the US culture. We wish to find "someone" to blame; be it the "welfare Mom" or the "rich industrialist." This is how the Nazis started in Germany. Blame the Jew. Sadly, we in the US are no different.

Let us all hope I am wrong, very wrong.


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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Oakley » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 23:10:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'H')ow about my pension fund, my gold, my silver, my guns and maybe even my life if I don't march to the same drum.


Wow, that's a lot to be afraid of! Do you have any evidence the Liberals are planning to do any of this? And how does one tell if one is marching to the proper drum? 8O


And what is the proper drum, except the one that we each individually hear. Your collectivist mindset is showing when you suggest that there is one proper drum.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 12 Oct 2010, 23:16:00

I'm afraid of spiders and elevators. I hope I never see a spider while riding on an elevator.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 00:07:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he liberals (i.e. the funny little jewish guys on 47th street in New York) are forming up as we speak. Their battalions include Puerto Rican plumbers, Mexican farm laborers, and the most dreaded of all . . . el salvadoran maids and mannies.

These Multicultural Shock Troops (MST's) will be marching from their suburban enclaves and ghettoes (strongholds in Long Island, Washington DC and Detroit) into the White Hinterlands. Flanked by hardened Priuses, with Battle Subaru's running on the point and tail, this force of LIberal Nazi's are out to steal the wealth of the USA. Their targets???? important cultural centers like Branston MI. Muscle Shoals. And Houston.


Wow, that's a lot to be afraid of! Do you have any evidence the Liberals are planning to do any of this? And how does one tell if one is marching to the proper drum? 8O
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 09:05:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'G')old confiscation under Roosevelt.
Eric Holder's stated position on firearms.
Clinton’s assault on Waco and Ruby Ridge
A general discussion on the rolling state and private pension funds into social security.



Thanks. But, what is the "same drum? And how do you know if you're marching to it to avoid getting killed? Do you think the folks at Waco and Ruby Ridge were killed because they weren't liberals?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 10:54:23

Another question: If you're worried about your pension being stolen, why don't you move it into safer assets?

:?:

Yet another: Can a conservative or independent explain to me why only conservatives and independents are worried about their guns being confiscated, whereas liberal and progressive gun owners apparently never worry about this?

:?:
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 11:56:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')nother question: If you're worried about your pension being stolen, why don't you move it into safer assets?

:?:

Yet another: Can a conservative or independent explain to me why only conservatives and independents are worried about their guns being confiscated, whereas liberal and progressive gun owners apparently never worry about this?

:?:



I wouldn't say I never worry about liberals going after guns, Clinton went after "assault weapons", but I sure see no such moves in the foreseeable future regardless of what Eric Holder occasionally mumbles about. After 911, 8 years of Bush, and some pretty serious electoral losses for democrats gun control is effectively dead in this country for at least a generation.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 12:01:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'G')old confiscation under Roosevelt.
Eric Holder's stated position on firearms.
Clinton’s assault on Waco and Ruby Ridge
A general discussion on the rolling state and private pension funds into social security.

http://imkane.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/ ... e-deficit/



If the government ever tried to confiscate gold, or guns people would laugh in their faces, simple as that. This isn't 1933 no one has any respect for government. If they ever went door to door to do either bullets would fly and they know that. If they try to convert 401Ks into social security the cash out rate before will be incredible, and it wont happen fast.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Pops » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 14:48:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he liberals (i.e. the funny little jewish guys on 47th street in New York) are forming up as we speak. ... important cultural centers like Branston MI.

LOL, that's pretty funny P, but what's in Branston Minnesota?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')loud9 wrote:
Gold confiscation under Roosevelt.
Eric Holder's stated position on firearms.
Clinton’s assault on Waco and Ruby Ridge
A general discussion on the rolling state and private pension funds into social security.

That's really what you worry about, really? Or are you just being - I don't know - a party booster?

Here is a general rant about people who say the things you say cloud, if it doesn't apply then ignore it or tell me to kiss off or whatever:

Small arms are so irrelevant in the modern world it's laughable - except to the corporations selling them, of course. Guns give you no security from the government and little from someone else with guns. Thanks to our recent compassionate conservative leadership, the homeland secret service can know everything there is to know about you with a few taps on a keyboard - including the number of times you've mentioned the buzzwords Waco and Ruby in the same sentence, your guns mean nothing.

Since you brought up Attorneys General, Alberto Gonzales actually argued there is no inherent right to habeas corpus in the constitution and supported domestic warrant-less wiretapping - and you are worried about Holders views about your assault rifle?

The funny thing is, "conservatives" rail about government intrusion and the loss of freedom and yet vote for the authoritarian party that gave us the never-ending wars terror and on drugs and that go berserk at the thought of people doing things against "their" beliefs; whether it's burning the flag, going to a dance with someone of the wrong color or deciding who you want to visit you in the hospital. I just can't reconcile the freedom/patriot/constitution sloganeering of the right with the crusade to impose their personal views on my personal life.

Yet conservatives seem to feel very comfortable with this idea the government knows who is good and who is bad (except when it comes to illegal guns) and should listen in to our conversations any time they like to keep us safe. It really is a conundrum for me that the folks who yell the loudest about freedom are the very same one's who go right along with whatever scheme the authoritarians cook up to keep us safe - perusing my reading preferences at the library? Who actually thought that was a good thing?

It just seems so stinkingly hypocritical to me to label liberals as encouraging the "Nanny State" when by whatever measure I can come up with, the conservatives favor a "Wicked Step-Mother State"


Oh, yea, back when Roosevelt bought up gold (forcibly) the people who mattered simply shipped their gold somewhere else. Nixon on the other hand (a republican, right?) unilaterally (and I mean by himself - alone) made gold just another commodity to be traded and played but more importantly he virtually created the whole unregulated derivative/hedge game that seems to have caused some problems recently. Which act do you think caused the more damage, buying up the gold to change the peg or making currencies "float" without a peg? But really, your gold is so infinitesimal small in the scheme of things that matter to corporations as to be non-existent. Just like guns, they'll let you cling to your gold because it just doesn't matter.

And where did you hear that Obama is going to nationalize pensions? That is a good one! Did that come from the idea about IRAs? What is scary about requiring employers to provide automatic IRA savings programs to employees? Is it the same thing that's frightening about making credit card disclosures uniform and understandable?

It just seems so ass backwards that the people who will be most hurt by handing over unlimited rights to the same corporations and overclass (who already have virtually unlimited control), are the very people who most most ardently - and blindly, support them and oppose any consumer protections.

What am I missing?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 14:54:40

Excellent rant, Pops. I have the same puzzlements... :?: :?: :?:
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 13 Oct 2010, 19:20:48

Good go Pops.
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