[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', ' ')How do we pay the lawyers?

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')'m sure the House District 666 Democratic nominee is just going to *LOVE* his fund raising calls while explaining that one....

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '[')the outcome achieved is most often determined by the patient and the degree of complexity involved....
But in the end... if someone can't come up with a way that the lawyers can realistically get paid similar to the level they do now; the Dems can't sign off on it.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he lawyer thing is a red herring. If 'pubs wanted universal health and said the dems were holding it up because of lawyers I'm thinking the shysters would soon be earning a new schtick.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')he only conclusion I can come to is that they couldn't figure a way for the lawyers to keep their game running, while shifting to a NHS.

[ritter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')he only conclusion I can come to is that they couldn't figure a way for the lawyers to keep their game running, while shifting to a NHS.

[Fishman]

Cid, clearly you have never taken the first look at the European health care systems. Mammogram q 3 years, no colonoscopy screening for colon cancer, little to no dialysis after age 65 - 75.
And you "financial recipe", gosh Europe is abandoning most of your ingredients. The IMF told Greece they had to abandon their universal health care system, too expensive, and the Brits are scaling back almost their entire welfare system, because of cost.
For a point by point redux
"End all subsidies to oil, coal, ethanol, and big ag" Gas, electric food bills double

"End all subsidies to multinationals. You want assistance you operate solely in the US" Fine your dollar sucks anyway.

"No more letting corporations have free access to oil in the gulf and natural resources on public lands. Those are our resources and the country gets it's cut." Not even true

"Corporate minimum tax of 20%. No more corporations paying no taxes. " Fine, but GE paid for Obama election.

"Bring the troops home. Cut the defense budget in half." Fine, Iran will then dictate the price of oil.

"Raise taxes on those making more than 500,000 a year to 50%." Can you say Costa Rica?

"Single payer health care. Based on Canadian system. With everyone now being eligible, There would be an instant need for health care workers. Jobs for everyone" Again you must be smoking serious weed. They spend LESS, FEWER JOBS in healthcare

[Cid_Yama]

Fishman, you are full of it. We've had Brits and Canadians on here doing nothing but singing praises of their heathcare system... and laughing at ours.

[vision-master]

The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America


God Bless Amerkica....
Other's listed below USA, see link

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[Oakley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')ts simply too soon for it to be any sign, one way or another, about Republican chances in 2012; but it *is* a very significant heads up, and goes as evidence supporting a nagging fear I've had for quite a while.

As far as I can tell, these are the realities:
Medicare can not be sustained in its current form.
Any attempt to change it will be met with fear and dread by a huge percentage of the middle class. (big net 40k - 400k).
Any attempt to pay for it will first destroy whoever passed the additional taxes, and then destroy the country that tries to make the payments.

And the fear is real enough, even I get a sense of dread at what I know would be required to unwind that beast and put something else in place. Its simply not realistic to anticipate success on that matter.

So, I guess we shrug and resign ourselves to just printing the money to pay for it.

From the politicians point of view:
You can't restrict Medicare's cost without losing your job.
You can't pay for Medicare's cost without losing your job.

[Livewire713]

So people must die so the rich can continue to get richer? The rich have done very well for themselves over the past 10 years. So now we must cut medicare and all social programs so the rich can continue to get richer. Doesnt make sense to me. The Bush tax cuts gave someone making a million dollars a 10% tax cut while someone that makes $50k got a 1% tax cut. How about every one gets the same 1% tax cut that the average Joe got and we keep medicare and social security.

[AgentR11]

I see all this, tax the rich, tax the rich stuff; yet when Obama and the Dems had full control; they didn't raise taxes.

Yall keep crying for higher taxes like you weren't in an overwhelming majority position for 2 years. And yet, did nothing.

[Oakley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'S')o people must die so the rich can continue to get richer? The rich have done very well for themselves over the past 10 years. So now we must cut medicare and all social programs so the rich can continue to get richer. Doesnt make sense to me. The Bush tax cuts gave someone making a million dollars a 10% tax cut while someone that makes $50k got a 1% tax cut. How about every one gets the same 1% tax cut that the average Joe got and we keep medicare and social security.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'S')o people must die so the rich can continue to get richer? The rich have done very well for themselves over the past 10 years. So now we must cut medicare and all social programs so the rich can continue to get richer. Doesnt make sense to me. The Bush tax cuts gave someone making a million dollars a 10% tax cut while someone that makes $50k got a 1% tax cut. How about every one gets the same 1% tax cut that the average Joe got and we keep medicare and social security.

[Cid_Yama]

The Democrats have not been in an overwhelming majority in the Senate. Because of the abuses of Senate rules by Republicans voting as a block using filibusters to block all action, nearly everything passed by the house was blocked from coming up for a vote in the Senate.

Your lies are bald-faced. But because of your attempts to eliminate Medicare and Social Security, and bust the Unions, we WILL have an overwhelming majority after the next election, you can count on it.

The Republicans have shown their true colors. Their evil is apparent.

[Oakley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he Democrats have not been in an overwhelming majority in the Senate. Because of the abuses of Senate rules by Republicans voting as a block using filibusters to block all action, nearly everything passed by the house was blocked from coming up for a vote in the Senate.

Your lies are bald-faced. But because of your attempts to eliminate Medicare and Social Security, and bust the Unions, we WILL have an overwhelming majority after the next election, you can count on it.

The Republicans have shown their true colors. Their evil is apparent.

[AgentR11]

re: Senate rules... Look up a thing called "reconciliation". They most certainly could have passed an NHS on 51 votes. If it was worth it to them.

Unfortunately... they wanted the issue more than the legislation.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')heir evil is apparent.

[AdTheNad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', ' ')and instead of demanding a free economy, demand more government control.

[Oakley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', ' ')and instead of demanding a free economy, demand more government control.

[Outcast_Searcher]

So OK, the dems scare folks into demanding Medicare not be cut. The can is kicked down the road. The problem looms larger each year. Congratulations.

I see NO serious proposals from the democratic leaders to actually deal with the financial problem of Medicare. (Oh, I forgot, the empty promises based on fantasy and math deception that is Obamacare will magically fix everything).

Soak the rich is basically all I hear the dems saying, since as has been pointed out above, they didn't have the courage or intelligence, apparently, to get an NHS-like single payer system through when they had control, and be done with it.

Soak the rich doesn't even BEGIN to pay the bills, which has also been pointed out above. And this doesn't even consider the fact that soaking the rich doesn't garner the income the left dreams of, because people change behavior (which will hurt jobs) to show less income, if you dramatically increase taxes on the rich. (The left of course, constantly denies this -- this is just as tin-hat on their part of the GOP obsession with massive military spending and NEVER raising ANY taxes).