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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Satori » Sat 21 May 2011, 00:01:11

Cid
give it up
your wasting your breath and your time

they won't fight for their chains
they will FIGHT for their chains
the indoctrination is complete
they enthusiastically support their own destruction
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 21 May 2011, 01:14:50

Ehhh.. Serfs do work. Most of employed Americans do not produce NOTHING. They drive from their couches to their beloved facebook in the office and back.

As for the Medicare. Enough of this sniveling whining huh? There is NO reason whatsoever to replace both kneecaps for a bed-ridden, demented 82yo with a terminal blood cancer. But you see, knee surgeons would disagree.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 21 May 2011, 01:20:03

Also , do you really think young American people of today will get quarter of a trillion spent yearly on taking care of them when they will be old? You just want to cheat them out of their youth to pamper your own hemorrhoids.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Livewire713 » Sat 21 May 2011, 01:34:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'H')ey Cid - my generation(I'm 34), won't stand for your "New Deal" any longer. We're onto you and the scam.


Speak for yourself, Im the same age as you and I definitly don't share your way of thinking.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 21 May 2011, 03:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')aking care of your elders used to be a responsiblity of the youngers. It will be that way again. Cid loves creating false dilemmas.


Except the elders are taking care of their kids and their grandkids and a majority of them cannot afford the cost of health care today.


I'm not responsible for what malfunctioning adults do in their own families. Maybe this is how you justify abandoning your responsibilities to yourself.


Cog..

Are you telling us that you care for your aged parents all by yourself? What if they need round the clock medical care, you can do that too? Your elderly parents are fortunate if you can afford to pay 100% of the cost for all their medications, plus the minimum $6,000 - $10,000 Paul Ryan private medicare donut hole. Maybe you can afford nursing home care out of pocket too.. what's that, a cool $25,000 each per year?

Maybe you can afford all these extra costs, and in a way it would be some sweet justice that the wealthy would finally have a tax increase, but what do you say to the lower 99% who can't afford it. Just eat cake and die, Grandma?
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 21 May 2011, 04:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I') was born in 1943. I lived in the kind, respectful, caring and righteous America. It did exist. It still exists in the hearts of most Americans. It has only been since the 1980's that the evil has robbed us of our America. We intend to take it back.


So you're 78, an old fart who wants to protect FDR's New Deal. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Another fine example of what they have done to the schools. I'm 67. (I'll be 68 this year) I'm amazed you know that FDR was responsible for the New Deal. (Probably part of your indoctrination as to who to hate)

It was Lyndon Johnson's Great Society that introduced Medicare and Medicaid, as well as Food Stamps.

We should refer to Social Security by it's real name, Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance.

Yes, that's right. Those that are entitled to it are so, because it is insurance they have paid into all of their lives.

Those that have pillaged the country have tried relentlessly to get at that final fruit on the tree. the $2.6 trillion trust fund, that is the money that workers have paid in all their lives.

They are not trying to eliminate it because it's broke, they are trying to eliminate it so they can get their hands on the $2.6 trillion. Money that belongs to the workers in this country, set aside for their old age.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby EOTWAWKI » Sat 21 May 2011, 07:56:51

But...but...think of the wealthy people! Think of "The American Dream". If one in 10,000 people can't become incredibly and ridiculously weathy then life is diminished for all the other pathetic working slobs who will be lucky to maintain the same level as their parents. Without our millionaires and billionaires living in palaces and jetting around the world living "the life", what do the rest of us have to hope for?

Come on you bunch of communist/socialist/muslim/fascists - don't you dare tamper with peoples dreams, it's all they have :x
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby EOTWAWKI » Sat 21 May 2011, 08:02:15

Before there was medicare and medicaid and social security, the old and the sick and the poor just died quietly, they didn't complain like today's pampered whiners, they knew that their awful lives and pathetic deaths were an inspiration to everyone else to get off their lazy asses and work work work for a few crumbs from the tables of the rich! That is what made this country great. How dare you suggest that the government should steal the hard earned money of the wealthy to support a lot of sick, old, lazy and useless people. :lol:
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 21 May 2011, 08:49:52

20% of the population ends up on disability. This is a fact.

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The young ppl are going to have a rude awakening some day. :-D
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 21 May 2011, 10:12:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'H')ey Cid - my generation(I'm 34), won't stand for your "New Deal" any longer. We're onto you and the scam.


Speak for yourself, Im the same age as you and I definitly don't share your way of thinking.


What exactly do you bring to the table so your stand would be of any value?
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 21 May 2011, 10:35:00

I see the long predicted generational wars are breaking out here on the PO boards.

I'm sure that many in the younger generations are having sweet dreams of eugenics and how that will make the world a better place. :cry:
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby SpockLives » Sat 21 May 2011, 10:51:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '2')0% of the population ends up on disability. This is a fact.


It's called getting old.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 21 May 2011, 11:26:59

There's getting old and there's getting old.

Getting old all coddled and pampered and everything served on a silver platter, you can live a long, long, long life.

Getting old under great burdens, physical duress, and long hours makes many in the working class look 70 when they're 40 and they never live to see retirement.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Livewire713 » Sat 21 May 2011, 11:29:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'H')ey Cid - my generation(I'm 34), won't stand for your "New Deal" any longer. We're onto you and the scam.


Speak for yourself, Im the same age as you and I definitly don't share your way of thinking.


What exactly do you bring to the table so your stand would be of any value?


Not exactly sure what your getting at Pretorian but I just recently paid off my home, I dont have children and don't plan on having any. I have my own company and Ive donate some of my free time to several charities including, MDA, Redcross, Center for Prevention of Abuse and March of Dimes. Oh, and I pay a lot in taxes because I dont have children and my house is paid off. So let me ask you, what have you brought to the table?
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 21 May 2011, 11:34:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')here's getting old and there's getting old.

Getting old all coddled and pampered and everything served on a silver platter, you can live a long, long, long life.

Getting old under great burdens, physical duress, and long hours makes many in the working class look 70 when they're 40 and they never live to see retirement.


They should have chosen to go fishing and hunting instead of work then. Why work if its so bad.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 21 May 2011, 11:35:33

Pretorian brings himself to the table for dinner. He has money and isn't required to produce anything of value. He just demands it of others in attempts to intimidate them.

From the above post it's clear he doesn't know what it means to work for a living.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 21 May 2011, 13:10:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I') am a signatory on the Giving Pledge. My will directs the creation of a foundation to use my wealth to alieviate suffering. ALL my wealth. I have no heir.

Giving Pledge
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Giving Pledge is a campaign to encourage the wealthiest people in the United States to make a commitment to give most of their money to philanthropic causes. The campaign specifically targets billionaires and was made public in 2010 by the two wealthiest men in the United States, billionaires Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

The official website states that it "is an effort to invite the wealthiest individuals and families in the United States to commit to giving the majority of their wealth to philanthropy."

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But alieviating suffering isn't enough. The industrialists must be stopped from turning this nation into a giant sweatshop and destroying the American people.

Right now they are trying to break the working class and make them second class citizens. No less. You are already hearing talk of limiting voting rights, and they are already targeting public education.

They want ignorant, illiterate serfs with no means of improving their condition.

This is not the America I was born in. This is more than evil.


Alright, you keep talking about a conspiracy to do this. I don't see a conspiracy as much as a total lack of faith in the broader process amongst the 'industrialists'. Since the 1970's the average worker's wages have been declining and who seems to be the number one supporter of the trend, the brainwashed average worker! Unions have practically fallen apart and who seems to be the number one supporter of the trend, the average person who would most benefit from being in a union! Easy money comes along which can only lead to a huge financial bubble and who seems to be the number one supporter of the 'new economy', the average person who by all rights should have stood up and said, 'this can only end badly and shouldn't be done'! Are people really that stupid or do they have absolutely zero faith in solutions that don't involve immediate gratification, but instead involvement and work? Aren't industrialists just as effected by this poisonous thinking as the average man, only they are in a much more powerful position to bring about immediate gratification for themselves, not all together too worried about who suffers as a consequence?
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 21 May 2011, 15:19:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', ' ') $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'H')ey Cid - my generation(I'm 34), won't stand for your "New Deal" any longer. We're onto you and the scam.


Speak for yourself, Im the same age as you and I definitly don't share your way of thinking.


What exactly do you bring to the table so your stand would be of any value?


Not exactly sure what your getting at Pretorian but I just recently paid off my home, I dont have children and don't plan on having any. I have my own company and Ive donate some of my free time to several charities including, MDA, Redcross, Center for Prevention of Abuse and March of Dimes. Oh, and I pay a lot in taxes because I dont have children and my house is paid off.



Well I guess its my bad as I have confused you with somebody else. What kind of product or indispensable service does your company provide?
Also, I find it fascinating how people show off with their contributions to the economy and ecology ( some ego issues huh) and trying to get a credit for both, like if one thing does not cancel another.
By the way, you not having kids stands for NOTHING unless you are a female or you secured yourself a fertile female and convinced her to commit genetical suicide as well.




$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', ' ') So let me ask you, what have you brought to the table?

Me? Why do I have to bring anything? It is you who wants to make a stand for Medicare and other bullshit. I couldn't care less. I am the one who is shaking your house of cards. I am an Enthropy Fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRgweL12Uc

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PS. But since you are so interested, I brought a few baskets of fruits a few decades ago. That is a lot more than many if not most of people that you know.
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sat 21 May 2011, 16:17:15

It's time to turn old people into Soylent Green. They ya'll can be useful! :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Is America Still Beautiful Without Medicare?

Unread postby Cog » Sat 21 May 2011, 16:27:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')here's getting old and there's getting old.

Getting old all coddled and pampered and everything served on a silver platter, you can live a long, long, long life.

Getting old under great burdens, physical duress, and long hours makes many in the working class look 70 when they're 40 and they never live to see retirement.


Yeah life is like that. Better they die early and leave more for those better prepared to deal with overshoot and die-off.
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