[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')As a matter of fact I would say more than gouging, by his testimony Big Oil is also involved in fear mongering in an already unstable fearful situation, in an attempt to drive the future's market.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')It is my opinion that Big Oil is creating an atmosphere that either fools people into overreacting or hires them to do so. THAT is my opinion and there is nothing on God's Green Earth anyone can say to intimidate me into changing my mind.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a matter of fact I would say more than gouging, by his testimony Big Oil is also involved in fear mongering in an already unstable fearful situation, in an attempt to drive the future's market.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')The point he makes has no relevance if gas stations are owned by independants. He says "oil companies lose money at the pump" and that is central to his claim. For if oil companies don't even own gas stations it is a mistake of such glaring proportions it should be disregarded. Can we agree on that?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a matter of fact I would say more than gouging, by his testimony Big Oil is also involved in fear mongering in an already unstable fearful situation, in an attempt to drive the future's market.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')No, the question was never about independants. The question was and remains whether or not oil companies make more money during times of supply constraint and high prices.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')You can't bully me out of my opinion, by telling me to shut up. Sorry, doesn't work.

[threadbear]

Forcing debate, denying people their opinions and telling people to shut up. Is that what it comes to? Have it your way....and enjoy the echo chamber your style creates.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'F')orcing debate, denying people their opinions and telling people to shut up. Is that what it comes to? Have it your way....and enjoy the echo chamber your style creates.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')No, the question was never about independants. The question was and remains whether or not oil companies make more money during times of supply constraint and high prices.

[MonteQuest]

There are a few things you will need to study if you want to participate in debate on this forum:

The principles of debate—logic, evidence, proof, refuting arguments, rebuttal, etc.

Your opinion is not enough.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ') Have it your way...Shankey's right...oil companies lose money when gasoline prices go up at the pump.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ') Have it your way...Shankey's right...oil companies lose money when gasoline prices go up at the pump.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')Sure Monty, sure...you're the boss

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a matter of fact I would say more than gouging, by his testimony Big Oil is also involved in fear mongering in an already unstable fearful situation, in an attempt to drive the future's market.

[Zentric]

Monte -

My debate with you is over. I now see two ways things can go between us:

(1) Either you gracefully accept my invitation for you to bow out and not post on this particular thread anymore. Or,

(2) If I catch you posting again on this thread in an attempt to prolong the discussion, I will then automatically bow out and I will not be back until you later agree to meet condition (1), above.

If you do decide to go with (1), above, please post to that effect on this thread. And I will then make a point of saving this page just in case your agreement somehow manages to change or "disappear" later.

Thank you and be well.

Threadbear -

Thank you. I invite you to do the same in regards to MonteQuest.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'M')onte -

My debate with you is over.

[Zentric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'M')onte -

My debate with you is over.

[roccman]

Two interesting pieces on declining supplies and "mitigation":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 88,00.html

Our blind faith in oil growth could bring the economy crashing down


Britain's future prosperity has been hardwired to rising use of transport fuels, without a thought for the supply drying up

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2585#more

"There have been many claims in recent years that ethanol is going to help wean us off of fossil fuels. In fact, many of our political leaders claim that as long as we just keep subsidizing the ethanol industry, eventually cellulosic ethanol will take over and we will all motor happily along on E85. We are making energy policy decisions based on this assumption.

As this analysis will show, the data we have to date don't support those kinds of projections. Let's consider the effect to date of the explosive growth in grain ethanol production. The difficulty in producing ethanol from cellulose is probably an order of magnitude greater than it is for producing ethanol from corn. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that the growth curve for cellulosic ethanol production (presuming it is ever commercially viable) will rival that of grain ethanol. So, let's take a look at how gasoline consumption has evolved as we ramped up billions of gallons of ethanol production. "

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'O')h, by the way...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Myth: High gasoline prices are caused by price gouging
In a rising gasoline price environment, oil companies tend to lose money at the petrol pump, because cost of supply is outstripping price of sales. In fact, spectacular profits for gasoline
marketing (the service station) are made in rapidly falling price environments.