by AdamB » Mon 21 Jul 2025, 18:44:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') don't know about Lucky, but a definition of collapse that seems logical to me, is when food fails to make it to the grocer.
Completely reasonable. A thinking person, asked a basic question on a favorite peak oil topic, easily answered. By ANYONE who has actually THOUGHT about the topic. Requires....a couple minutes to be thorough on explaining what is collapse?
Pipsqueak thinkers and parrots can't do it after years of posting...you thought of a reasonable one in...minutes perhaps? Just saying.
Here is mine.
Ice was once a luxury item. Unlike today, where it is in all drinks everywhere, you can buy it in a bag from a remote convenience store along the Alcan highway, with a portable generator you can run a small fridge/freezer unit at a campground if you' like....they provide electrical outlets there to do just that sometimes. Campground...with ELECTRICAL outlets...yes...it is true.
When ice becomes a luxury item again, something you don't just get everywhere, when the rich are the only ones who can afford what it takes to make it, that will be a strong signal of collapse. Because look at what has to happened for ice to no longer be available to everyone. People can't afford basic appliances, like a freezer.Or there isn't enough electricity to pass around, and ice isn't on the priority list. Be it because of lack of manufacturing, resources to manufacture, fuel to distribute, electricity available, whatever combination is required to take away this simple, seemingly ever present item from modern folk....something collapse like will be happening.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')As long as that chain is intact, we ought to count our blessings for living in an environment flush with energy.
Food making it to the grocer is probably a step past my precursor. The good news, in the case of America anyway, is we are the world's largest exporter of agricultural products. Seems likely that given a choice, citizens would force politicians to make darn sure Americans get fed before we ship food off to others.