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Kunstler: Pushback
A very brave law professor at the University of Pennsylvania, named Amy Wax has published the astounding argument that human beings in America would benefit from adopting “bourgeois values” and behaving accordingly. Bourgeois (Boozh-wah, for the underspeeched) may be an unfortunate term-of-art, since it came to be used as a pejorative back in the old hippie days — something that Ms. Wax might remember, since she is a Baby Boomer — but what else might you call this bundle of traditional values: honesty, fidelity, thrift, temperance, punctuality, fortitude, gratitude, dedication, kindness, loyalty, et cetera?
A glance at Amy Wax’s credentials might induce a head-snap.
Amy Laura Wax received a B.S. summa cum laude in molecular biophysics and biochemistry from Yale in 1975. She was then a Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology at Somerville College at Oxford University. She earned an M.D. from Harvard Medical School in 1981, training as a neurologist, and received a J.D. from Columbia in 1987, where she was an editor of the Law Review. She was a Law Clerk to the Honorable Abner J. Mikva, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit from 1987-88. From 1988-94, she served as Assistant to the Office of the Solicitor General in the U.S. Department of Justice, where she argued 15 cases before the United States Supreme Court. Wax was a member of the Legal Affairs Committee, American Academy of Neurology from 1986-1992. In 1994, she joined the faculty of UVA [U. of Virginia]. She taught courses in civil procedure, labor law, and poverty law and welfare policy. She became Class of 1948 Professor of Scholarly Research in Law from 2000-01. After becoming a visiting professor to Penn Law School in 2000, she joined its faculty in 2001.
By some miracle, she didn’t end up a professor of Intersectional Gender Justice. Of course, the Social Justice commissars around the country regard her as just another neo-Nazi punk committing violence-through-speech against the ethno-sexual minorities who seek to throw off the shackles of Cis-White Privilege oppression. In an op-ed essay in the Philadelphia Inquirer (co-authored with Larry Alexander of the University of San Diego School of Law) titled Paying the Price for Breakdown of the Country’s Bourgeois Culture, Wax argued that “the single-parent, anti-social habits, prevalent among some working-class whites, the anti ‘acting white’ rap culture of inner-city blacks” and the “anti-assimilation ideas gaining ground among some Hispanic immigrants” are not suited to a First-World 21st Century Environment.
The casual observer (from Mars) might take all that as self-evident, but it’s a hard sell nowadays, especially in Ivory Towerville, where, supposedly, the rectified essences of abiding human intelligence are said to dwell. That super-refined scholarly nation-within–a-nation is also mostly walled off from the more unappetizing realities of what an American-style First-World 21st Century Environment actually is. In fact, that very “environment” is mostly characterized by a breakdown of just about everything that might promote the formerly eternal verities. It has been accompanied move-for-move by a breakdown in economic relations that leaves a big chunk of the national demographic peon-ized, bereft of work that is either meaningful or pays enough to support a family, and places them at the mercy (actually, there is no mercy) of gigantic, dishonest, avaricious companies and public institutions driven by stupid crypto-religious ideologies.
Oddly, the personal economic calamity represented by that trend is mirrored on the Ivy League campuses where a tiny elite cadre of tenured professors enjoys immunity from both impoverishment and real critical thinking, while an ever-expanding corps of serf-like adjunct teachers does all the heavy-lifting in the classrooms and struggles to pay the light bill — and a new breed of diversity deans and other administrative hierophants feeds gluttonously at the trough of the college loan racket.
The main criticism of Amy Wax’s prescription for cultural improvement is that it’s simply not possible to go back to the economically stable world of the 1950s that supported the roster of human virtues she wants to bring back online. It may be so, alas, but that still doesn’t obviate the basic value of behavioral norms. And deep down in their dark Gnostic hearts, the Social Justice Commissariat must agree. Otherwise, why would they be promoting so strenuously the exemplary earnest behavior of the DACA “Dreamers.”
Amy Wax was hammered by her colleagues at the Penn Law School for daring to express these ideas. More than half of the law faculty signed an “open letter” of censorious opprobrium against her. They “categorically rejected” her arguments without offering any counter-arguments. The law school’s chapter of the Lawyer’s Guild is maneuvering to get her fired from her teaching duties. That’s how we roll now in Witch Hunt Nation. I think Amy Wax has the fortitude to get through this. But will the universities ever recover?
165 Comments on "Kunstler: Pushback"
GregT on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 9:44 am
“Overpopulation is both a local and planetary problem.”
Semantics. If overpopulation was only a local problem, then it wouldn’t be much of a problem, now would it.
Davy on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 9:49 am
Overpopulation is a local problem in certain locals. It is a planetary problem with all locals. IOW Maybe a local does not have a local population problem but all locals have a planetary problem with overpopulation.
GregT on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 10:25 am
Exactly. If overpopulation was not a planetary problem, that problem could easily be solved at the local level. People could simply migrate to other places that do not have resource constraints and environmental limits. Unfortunately, the planet Earth is finite, and we don’t have another planet to migrate to. Ending immigration will not solve the the problems associated with planetary population overshoot. The only solution is a population that is in harmony with the Earth’s natural carrying capacity, and it is likely already too late for even that.
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 10:28 am
I don’t know the Jews in my area but stats say there are around 63,000 out of 6.4 million in the greater area. I have no fear. lol
That’s because you are an hard-core egalitarian who believes in one-man-one-vote, with no understanding of “deep state”, power structures, lobby groups or the history of the 20th century and of Russia in particular, where “these people” set up a tyranny that would cost the lives of tens of millions. You are focused on money-making and nothing else, which would be a waste of time in your eyes.
But there is indeed no reason for you to fear them, because you will always follow their orders.
Boat on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 11:07 am
davy,
mak squeals like a stuck pig if an American dies for any reason. He doesn’t understand overpopulation. greggiet is a border enforcer hater that doesn’t understand overpopulation. Nobody wants to talk about the demographic fact Muslims have the most kids. Overpopulation enablers.
Boat on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 11:19 am
clog,
I witnessed the gay movement go far past anything I could imagine. My response like most Americans was, why not they pay taxes.
“That’s because you are an hard-core egalitarian”
Yes indeed and proud to be one.
GregT on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 11:25 am
“greggiet is a border enforcer hater that doesn’t understand overpopulation.”
Overpopulation is a global problem Boat. There are already around 6.5 billion too many people on the planet Earth. There is no other known planet for the humans to migrate to. Your rhetoric in no way has any bearing on reality, and will not solve anything.
GregT on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 11:29 am
“you are an hard-core egalitarian who believes in one-man-one-vote, with no understanding of “deep state”, power structures, lobby groups or the history of the 20th century and of Russia in particular, where “these people” set up a tyranny that would cost the lives of tens of millions. ”
“Yes indeed and proud to be one.”
Obviously oblivious.
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 5:03 pm
And there goes another General Lee, this time Dallas.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/09/19/robert-e-lee-statue-museum-dallas-confederate-monuments-task-force-says
Pussies.
https://altright.com/2017/09/20/dallas-mayor-cucks-out-as-another-statue-comes-down/
Still standing strong: Michiel de Ruyter in Flushing. Defeated the British on several crucial occasions.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standbeeld_Michiel_de_Ruyter_(Vlissingen)#/media/File:Vlissingen05.JPG
makati1 on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 5:49 pm
Cloggie, just more signs of the imperial collapse. As described here:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/09/19/the-absurdities-mount/#more-159489
“There is no greater absurdity than moving history off its factual basis and substituting a fictional basis as dictated by Identity Politics.
In the United States—indeed, in the entirely of the Western world, history has become a construction that serves not the truth but special interests. This is the reason that the Western World is doomed. Peoples whose history is destroyed are defenseless. They have no idea who they are.”
And the slide down the chute to the 3rd world is continuing.
makati1 on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 6:16 pm
A dictatorship since 1981? Yep! At least.
“So, this is what happens in a country where marketing has become more important than what’s marketed. It’s called soft fascism, and maybe is producing ultimately a soft coup in America.
This is a natural outcome for a country that has actually been a dictatorship since at least 1981. It’s simply becoming a bit more of that. But the American people aren’t being informed of it — they know that something’s wrong (as is clearly shown by those extremely low approval-ratings for “The federal government”), but the only ‘explanations’ they know for it are ‘illegal immigrants’, or ‘the Jews’, or ‘the Blacks’, or ‘the liberals’, or ‘the conservatives’, or — maybe (if the military-industrial complex will have its way to the very end) — ‘the Russians’, or ‘Iran’. What’s most important for Americans to know (things such as this) is unfortunately also what’s most important for America’s ‘news’media to hide. Thus, the American people are sleepwalking into catastrophe. And we’ve been doing it for decades now. We’re going farther and farther down, and wondering “Are we going down to the top of an abyss?” Is that what’s at the end of this? Or: will we (somehow) wake up in time to prevent it from happening?”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/gallup-71-of-americans-are-dissatisfied-with-the-way-the-nation-is-being-governed/5609836
Nope! The American sheeple are too stupid to see anything but the lies.
Davy on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 6:39 pm
“10 Reasons Why America Will Continue To Dominate The Global Economy For Years”
http://tinyurl.com/lbntdla
“1) The U.S. economy is the largest and most productive in the world – The U.S. accounts for one-fifth of global GDP with only 4.5% of the world’s population. America’s economy is nearly twice the size of China’s in nominal dollars. Plus, the U.S. is one of just a few developed countries with real GDP higher than it was before the crisis, according to the report.”
“2) The U.S. leads the world in manufactured goods – Nominal manufacturing output totaled $1.9 trillion in 2012, a rise of 27% from 2009. Employment in the sector has increased by 500,000 workers since 2010, according to U.S. Trust.”
“3) The U.S. is among the largest exporters of goods and services – Exports since the recession have taken off. In 2012, total exports totaled $2.2 trillion, nearly a 40% rise from 2009 levels, according to the report.”
“4) Foreign investors still love the U.S.- U.S. Foreign Direct Investment inflows in the post-crisis years racked up $736 billion. That’s 15% of the global total, according to U.S. Trust. And while people talk about investment in China, America is still on top by a landslide.”
“5) America has the top global brands – In 2008, eight out of 10 of the world’s top brands were American.”
“6) The U.S. is the world leader in technology – People still flock to America to become tech innovators. The U.S. is home to the major social media players and beats out other countries in spending levels.”
“7) America has the world’s best colleges – American college kids fill their minds with kegs worth of knowledge at some of the world’s best universities. Six out of the top 10 universities in the 2012 Quacquarelli Symonds World Rankings’ were American.”
“8) The U.S. dollar is king – It’s the world’s reserve currency. From the U.S. Trust report: “The greenback accounted for roughly 62% of global central bank reserves as of the fourth quarter of 2012, according to the IMF, a share down slightly from 2008 but relatively constant over the post-crisis years.” It crushed the beleaguered Euro.”
“9) The U.S. has one of the most competitive economies – In the latest competitiveness survey from the World Economic Forum, the U.S. slipped to seventh place, down two spots, according to the report. Still, U.S. Trust guesses America will head north on the list in the future.”
“10) America is in the middle of an energy Renaissance – Much to the chagrin of some environmentalists, U.S. domestic oil production is in revival mode. It exceeded imports for the first time in 16 years, according to the report. Thanks to “fracking” that unlocked shale in North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Texas, the U.S. has seen a major surge in production, the report notes.”
shortonoil on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 6:49 pm
“There is no such thing as a “right-wing Jew”. “Right-wing” in the European sense: nationalist. They are all natural born commies. Neocons all identify with Trotsky:”
One of my early sweethearts was an orthodox Jew. Her family was some of the most caring, compassionate, and intelligent people I have ever met. You are a troglodyte in comparison to what they were.
In other words, you are a shit head!
makati1 on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 6:57 pm
Nice propaganda piece, Davy. A lot of bullshit, but then…
DerHundistlos on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 6:57 pm
“I witnessed the gay movement go far past anything I could imagine. My response like most Americans was, why not they pay taxes.”
Boat, please provide a translation to your statement.
DerHundistlos on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 7:04 pm
Davy-
Your calculus fails to incorporate the most important factor: Goodwill. The US is despised by ever greater numbers of the international population. American’s were once envied and admired, but no more. I am witnessing a level of contempt and disgust unlike anything I have ever seen before.
GregT on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 7:13 pm
“Nice propaganda piece,”
What else would you expect from Bloomborg?
makati1 on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 8:33 pm
short, are you sliding down to Davy’s level? Name calling does not change reality. It only indicates the caller’s level of maturity-and intelligence.
Jews are to blame for most of the world’s problems, both today and preciously. They should never have been given land to call home. Nutandyayhoo is a rotten apple spoiling the whole barrel, but there are a lot of rotten apples in Jew land.
makati1 on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 8:38 pm
BTW: That is another reason I like it here. There are less than 20,000 Jews in a population of 100,000,000+.
Whereas, in the FSofA there are 6 million. Mostly running everything: banks, media, government, etc.
Apneaman on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 10:58 pm
Davy
“10 Reasons Why America Will Continue To Dominate The Global Economy For Years”
How come you didn’t paste the first sentence from that article?
“The U.S. economy is in recovery mode right now”
Bahahahahahaha
America is Regressing into a Developing Nation for Most People
“America is not one country anymore. It is becoming two, each with vastly different resources, expectations, and fates.
Two roads diverged
In one of these countries live members of what Temin calls the “FTE sector” (named for finance, technology, and electronics, the industries which largely support its growth). These are the 20 percent of Americans who enjoy college educations, have good jobs, and sleep soundly knowing that they have not only enough money to meet life’s challenges, but also social networks to bolster their success. They grow up with parents who read books to them, tutors to help with homework, and plenty of stimulating things to do and places to go. They travel in planes and drive new cars. The citizens of this country see economic growth all around them and exciting possibilities for the future. They make plans, influence policies, and count themselves as lucky to be Americans.
The FTE citizens rarely visit the country where the other 80 percent of Americans live: the low-wage sector. Here, the world of possibility is shrinking, often dramatically. People are burdened with debt and anxious about their insecure jobs if they have a job at all. Many of them are getting sicker and dying younger than they used to. They get around by crumbling public transport and cars they have trouble paying for. Family life is uncertain here; people often don’t partner for the long-term even when they have children. If they go to college, they finance it by going heavily into debt. They are not thinking about the future; they are focused on surviving the present. The world in which they reside is very different from the one they were taught to believe in. While members of the first country act, these people are acted upon.
The two sectors, notes Temin, have entirely distinct financial systems, residential situations, and educational opportunities. Quite different things happen when they get sick, or when they interact with the law. They move independently of each other. Only one path exists by which the citizens of the low-wage country can enter the affluent one, and that path is fraught with obstacles. Most have no way out.”
https://off-guardian.org/2017/09/20/america-is-regressing-into-a-developing-nation-for-most-people/
Apneaman on Wed, 20th Sep 2017 11:08 pm
Another touchdown for team denier.
“The San Juan that we knew yesterday is no longer there,” Yulín said, adding: “We’re looking at four to six months without electricity” in Puerto Rico, home to nearly 3.5 million people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/hurricane-maria-makes-landfall-puerto-rico-category-4-storm-n802911
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 1:33 am
One of my early sweethearts was an orthodox Jew. Her family was some of the most caring, compassionate, and intelligent people I have ever met.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-US-Foreign-Policy-ebook/dp/B002RI9VWQ/ref=sr_1_1
Intelligent alright. Caring and compassionate not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
Political power is all that matters to them. They call themselves “God’s Chosen People destined to inherit the earth” and they are working around the clock to realize that vision. And they have found you guys to volunteer to get the job done, since 1933, with instigating WW2 as their prime master piece of scheming and war mongering.
https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/The-Forrestal-Diaries-excerpt.jpg
They own your purse (FED), they own your foreign policy (CFR) and they own your brains because they own the media and broadcast around the clock that it is a good thing that whites become a minority. They try to infiltrate and overthrow regimes around the world, who are not yet subdued in that empire of theirs…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY
It is as Henry Ford said: “they are the world’s foremost problem”.
And all of a sudden they have become a problem for white Americans as well because they have almost achieved their goal to remove white America from power for ever. DJT is the last eructation of white America. After he will have left the WH, demographics will have shifted to the tune that European-American interest will never be represented again. The process of demonizing and eradicating every aspect of white America is already in full swing: statues removed, media, academia.
The neo-bolshevik revolution is coming in America. The difference is that the Bolsheviks are already in power for a century, but were restrained by the constitution and a white majority. That problem will soon have been solved. The new imported proletariat from the third world couldn’t care less about the constitution, “designed by slave owners”. They want goodies and president Mark Faceberg is going to give it to them in return for their vote: universal health care and basic income, to be paid for by fools like shortonbrains with his smart, lovely, caring highschool kosher sweetheart.
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 2:36 am
Davy echo’s a Steven Perlberg: “10 Reasons Why America Will Continue To Dominate The Global Economy For Years”
Uhuh.
Well it is true that the US has the largest consumer market and through its sheer size is able to raise capital to fund the largest corporations. Most companies on the top 10 list are consumer-oriented: Apple (phones), Google (adds), McDonalds (greasy meat), Coca-Cola (sugar water), Microsoft (home computer OS), Marlboro (smokies), Visa (more debt cards).
They top the turnover list because the US has 330 million people. Big deal.
The U.S. accounts for one-fifth of global GDP
That used to be 29% in 1941 and even 40% in 1950.
The U.S. economy is the largest and most productive in the world
Perlberg’s own graph contradicts that the US is the most productive. And the biggest economy? In 2016 the US had $18.5T nominal and PPP. Europe in 2016 had $19.7T nominal and $25.9T (source both wikipedia). Expect that difference to grow.
Apple, the #1? Sure. The micro-processors are made with machines from Holland (my home town Eindhoven in fact, ASML control almost 100% of the chip machine markets but nobody ever heard of ASML, but they are the real technological deal, not Apple, Intel, AMD, etc)…
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/eindhoven-next-silicon-valley-terry-boyd
…and touch screen technology comes from Korea. Only the Apple logo sticker is made in the US (perhaps not even that).
Cars? Even economic nationalist Trump complained that few outside the US are interested in American cars. American themselves prefer Mercedes.
Train system? Backward in international comparison.
Energy policy? Backward. No vision for the future, just old oil glory. Europe has long taken over the initiative from the US.
Space program? It basically stopped after Apollo and Space Shuttle.
Airbus has a light leading edge over Boeing:
https://www.ft.com/content/3c5b633e-afc6-11e5-b955-1a1d298b6250
The news comes as Airbus is set to widen its lead in net orders over US rival Boeing for the third consecutive year. By the end of December Airbus had 1022 firm orders against 743 for its US rival.
What Perlberg doesn’t mention in his piece is that the US economy has a huge trade deficit for years, enabled by printing the difference. What will happen if the $ loses reserve currency status? Well this:
This MIT research contradicts Perlberg’s halleluja article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-developing-nation-regressing-economy-poverty-donald-trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html
America is regressing to have the economic and political structure of a developing nation, an MIT economist has warned.
(remember Houston and Florida? The US prefers carriers over dikes)
Without the $ reserve currency status the US would land somewhere between Sweden and Nigeria, reflecting population composition.
Oh and the whole world is busy eliminating the $ from the economic process.
The Perlberg’s of this world own the US. Of course they portray their child in the most attractive colors imaginable. The truth is that the US will be a third world country by 2024 according to Paul Craig Roberts.
Davy on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 2:52 am
clog, that referenece was bait to draw out unbalanced extremist anti-Americans I thought you would have been more sophisticated.
makati1 on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 2:55 am
Davy, that was a perfect picture of your Amerocentric mind. That is why you posted it. Any other excuse is just … an excuse.
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 3:50 am
>>>>>> nobody ever heard of ASML, but they are the real technological deal, not Apple, Intel, AMD
Sorry dude. You’re getting carried away with your superiority complex.
ASML builds complex machines, no doubt. But that kind of thing is a group effort. Cad software made in USA running on intel CPUs designed in Isreal by jews :-). Motion control equipment designed in the US, manufactured in Dresden. Engineers using iphones for communication and coordination.
Heck, ASML probably uses Microsoft Word to keep all their spec and documents toghether. Again from the US, written by indian H1B immigrants. Yuck!
How do I know? I’m a supplier to ASML and on my last visit their engineers didn’t seem exceptional at all. Sorry, ASML is nothing special, just another high tech company.
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 3:57 am
>>>> What Perlberg doesn’t mention in his piece is that the US economy has a huge trade deficit for years
Yes, that is a hard one for people to understand. If you’re holding the world reserve currency, the only thing you can do is make a trade deficit.
As a holder of the reserve currency the product the US exports is $$ for other people to trade with. In return they get goods. Hence trade deficit. That’s normal.
The US is slowly loosing the reserve status as it is replaced by a basket of whatnot currencies. Once this happens the US can come back full circle and start exporting again.
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:10 am
>>>> contradicts that the US is the most productive
PPP in the US is higher than NL. Despite all the negros and mexicans. Strange. 🙂
Who would have tought that? I pictured NL as being together with germany and other northern nations the power houses of europe, pulling the southern moochers up by the bootstraps.
But nothing like that, even germany is less productive per capita than the US. I’m ashamed for europe.
But luckly for europe (but not the EU) there’s Switzerland, we show you how it’s done. 🙂
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:13 am
>>>> Airbus has a light leading edge over Boeing:
You know that airbus gets government subsidies (which is illigal in EU) and Boing does not, right?
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:16 am
>>> The truth is that the US will be a third world country by 2024 according to Paul Craig Roberts.
🙂
My God, Clog. Can I ask you a real honest question? Have you ever been in the US?
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:18 am
ASML builds complex machines, no doubt. But that kind of thing is a group effort. Cad software made in USA running on intel CPUs designed in Isreal by jews :-). Motion control equipment designed in the US, manufactured in Dresden. Engineers using iphones for communication and coordination.
Heck, ASML probably uses Microsoft Word to keep all their spec and documents toghether. Again from the US, written by indian H1B immigrants. Yuck!
That may all be true, that ASML gets some components from elsewhere, like high-precision optics from Germany. But it is still also true that they are able to integrate all these components into a single machine, perhaps the most complex on earth, and defeated everybody else on world markets. Intel and AMD would be nowhere if they had not the machines from ASML. ASML is higher in the technological pecking order than Intel or AMD. Not to mention your Swiss watch manufacturers.lol
http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/40/62/66/8596908/3/1024×1024.jpg
(ITER maybe more complex but this machine at least actually works)
ASML campus…
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zY_EVoNmZvQ/maxresdefault.jpg
…a spin-off from the neighboring Philips campus:
https://www.hightechcampus.com/uploads/images/HTCE/Luchtfoto_4.jpg
What your “Israeli Jew” at Intel does is with great awe unpacking the boxes from Eindhoven, trying to understand the manual and next grab the mouse and draw lines on the computer screen and finally presses the submit button and the machine does the real work by producing the micro-processor.
Mazzeltov!
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:27 am
>>>AMD would be nowhere if they had not the machines from ASML
really? do we really have to have the chicken-egg discussion?
What about this one?
Without farmers the ASML engineers would starve. Therefore farmers are higher in the pecking order. Give me a break.
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:34 am
My God, Clog. Can I ask you a real honest question? Have you ever been in the US?
Yes.
Have you seen any other part than Silicon Valley? Silicon Valley is definitely not representative for the US.
Without farmers the ASML engineers would starve. Therefore farmers are higher in the pecking order. Give me a break.
False argument. There are millions of farmers around the world, but only one ASML.
You can easily replace farmers, you cannot replace ASML (overnight).
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:46 am
>>> Have you seen any other part than Silicon Valley?
Thanks for asking Clog. Yes I’ve visited every state with the exception of Alaska and Maine. I’ve seen negro shit holes like Gary, Indiana and mexican dumps like east LA, and white trash country like the blue ridge mountains. And yes, I’ve been to high tech conferences in silicon valley where europeans are in deep minority, yet innovation is presented at an amazing speed.
>>>>You can easily replace farmers
Are you sure? Our own expert Makati always claims the US will starve soon because nobody knows how to farm anymore. Who should I belive now?
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 4:57 am
And yes, I’ve been to high tech conferences in silicon valley where europeans are in deep minority, yet innovation is presented at an amazing speed.
Could have something to do with the location, would you not think? But yes, IT (programmers) is still dominated by “Americans”, or rather green card holders.
I have been to Inter-Solar in Munich three times, probably the largest alt-energy exhibition world-wide:
http://www.intersolar.de/en/home.html
Germans and Chinese make up the vast majority of the participants in renewable energy innovation. Anglos nowhere to be seen.
Here alt-energy conferences in Glasgow and London: Europeans only.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/all-energy-glasgow-2017/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/offshore-wind-energy-2017-opening-video/
Boat on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 5:15 am
clog,
“Are you sure? Our own expert Makati always claims the US will starve soon because nobody knows how to farm anymore. Who should I belive now”?
I suggest you take 20 minutes and look at US production numbers along with production history.
Hello on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 5:19 am
Boat, didn’t you realize mine was a sarcastic comment? You did, right?
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 5:38 am
clog, “Are you sure? Our own expert Makati always claims the US will starve soon because nobody knows how to farm anymore. Who should I belive now”?
I suggest you take 20 minutes and look at US production numbers along with production history.
Your (330m) agrarian export is greater than that of the Dutch (17m), not much, but still. I can only sink on my knees in awe.
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 6:03 am
The Kurds now have de facto independence in Iraq and Syria, in both cases thanks to the US actions in both countries (Iraq 2003 invasion and “Assad must go”).
Guess what they are aiming for next? Turkey of course.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/kurden-im-irak-vor-umstrittenem-referendum-das-muessen-sie-wissen-a-1167280.html
Here is the true potential of the country of 28 million that was not allowed to exist:
http://www.institutkurde.org/images/cartes_and_maps/ckur100.gif
Irak, Iran, Turkey are against for obvious reasons, since Kurdistan would come at their cost. And so is the US, probably not to antagonize “somewhat ally” too much.
But the prospects for an independent Kurdistan are better than ever:
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/18f6/2iqxt03lk66xshhzg.jpg
Israel is in favor because she should fear a too strong Turkey that could very well one day reestablish the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. Erdogan has already announced he wants to conquer Jeruzalem (and Spain, the fool).
My expectation is that Turkey, Iraq and Iran will manage to suppress the drive for Kurdish independence and that Palestine one day will be reabsorbed by the Sunni Muslims.
Fortunately, the Jews can always go to New York, their true promised land.
makati1 on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 6:22 am
Boat, Past history is no indicator of future production. If you think you can become a farmer in a year or even five, you have a lot to learn about farming. And if you think the US can still produce when the SHTF and FF products (fuel, pesticides, fertilizers) disappear, you are again a fool. The US has mostly farmers ready to retire or die. And most of the real production is on corporate farms tied to heavy input of chemicals and energy. Better check with The farmers in the drought areas and ask how secure harvests are. You obviously never tried to garden or you would know.
makati1 on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 6:23 am
BTW Boat, you do know that the US IMPORTS 20% of it’s food don’t you?
Davy on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 6:54 am
“Davy, that was a perfect picture of your Amerocentric mind. That is why you posted it. Any other excuse is just … an excuse.”
Mkat, it was bait directed towards you and you didn’t bite until now. I normally don’t brag about the US as you do about Asia and during your bragging then attack the US. Normally I show US strengths in regards to your unbalanced extremist attacks. I posted these valid US strengths as discomfort for you. If you can remember, I know that is hard at your age, you will remember I sent 2 Philippine negatives and an Asian negative just to give you discomfort. Normally you have a hissy fit but this time I am sure you are trying to put me back on the ignore list. Too bad you screwed that effort up yet again. You just don’t have the strength to ignore me anymore.
Davy on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 7:03 am
“BTW Boat, you do know that the US IMPORTS 20% of it’s food don’t you?”
Mkat, you are the one in an overpopulated region that is food insecure. Your picture of US farming is wrong. In most all rural areas people are engaged in farming to some degree. It is called small farming and hobby farming. Most people with land do something or rent the land out and are still associated with farming in some way. These efforts can be scaled up quickly. It does not represent the production of the corporate industrial side hut it is significant. The US helps to feed the world starting with the basis of the food chain. Take away our contribution and you Asians are in deep trouble. It only takes a small food shortage to cascade to a panic. Remember the rice scare you Filipinos had in 2012. The US imports 20% of our luxury foods or foods that are cheaper and or out of season. We don’t have to have these luxury foods and we don’t have to have the choices of seasonality. You will be hungry before you die just be patient.
Davy on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 7:24 am
“S&P Downgrades China To A+ From AA- Due To Soaring Debt Growth”
http://tinyurl.com/ybhy2cs8
“China’s prolonged period of strong credit growth has increased its economic and financial risks,” S&P said. “Since 2009, claims by depository institutions on the resident nongovernment sector have increased rapidly. The increases have often been above the rate of income growth. Although this credit growth had contributed to strong real GDP growth and higher asset prices, we believe it has also diminished financial stability to some extent.” The cut will “have a relatively big impact on Chinese enterprises since corporate ratings can’t be higher than the sovereign rating,” said Xia Le, an economist at Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA in Hong Kong. “It will affect corporate financing.”
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 9:13 am
All the world’s gold is moving towards China. The glorious West is being sucked dry:
https://twitter.com/Silver_Watchdog/status/910710558034481153/photo/1
The Chinese have decided that they have enough dollars and want to convert what they have in real values. Once they have all the gold, they will refuse the $ and will move to barter.
S&P my foot.
GregT on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 10:18 am
“Credit rating agencies (CRAs) — firms which rate debt instruments/securities according to the debtor’s ability to pay lenders back — played a significant role at various stages in the American subprime mortgage crisis of 2007-2008 that led to the Great Recession of 2008-2009. The new, complex securities of “structured finance” used to finance subprime mortgages could not have been sold without ratings by the “Big Three” rating agencies — Moody’s Investors Service, Standard & Poor’s, and Fitch Ratings.”
https://tinyurl.com/yc4b2cfn
Davy on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 11:28 am
What’s your take on it then Greg? Do you have an alternative reference or is it your opinion there are no issues with China’s credit growth? Are we to ignore huge credit balances? It is not like S&P dropped them to junk status. If you were an investor would you disregard these rating changes as little more than western propaganda? If and when the US gets down graded as is quite possible, will that then be ok or is that also unreliable?
Boat on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 11:35 am
clog,
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 9:13 am
“All the world’s gold is moving towardst China. The glorious West is being sucked dry”:
top 20 gold reserves 9/2017 by country
https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves
GregT on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 11:54 am
“What’s your take on it then Greg?”
Capitalism has nearly run it’s course, and in it’s wake will be left a planet inhospitable to life. The Western MSM propaganda mills are doing everything in their power to maintain confidence in the USD, which is also clearly on it’s way out. The entire globe is heading towards 3rd world status, many regions are already there, others have a long ways to fall.
GregT on Thu, 21st Sep 2017 12:04 pm
“top 20 gold reserves 9/2017 by country”
The gold in Fort Knox has not been audited since 1953 Boat. All attempts by congress for an audit have been ignored. Why would that be? Not only has there been no audit, nobody has even seen the gold that was confiscated from the American citizens back in 1933, since 1953.