Why do mainstream media reporters within ostensibly free democracies act just like state media propagandists? Why are they so reliably pro-establishment, all throughout every mainstream outlet? Why do they so consistently marginalize any idea that doesn’t fit within the extremely narrow Overton window of acceptable opinion?Why does anyone who inconveniences western establishment power always find themselves on the losing end of a trial by media? Why are they so dependably adversarial toward anything that could be perceived as a flaw in any nation outside the US-centralized power alliance, and so dependably forgiving of the flaws of the nations within it?
There is no consistency in how mass arrests are depicted in Western media. If this took place in a “hostile” country, it would be declared state-sponsored repression by an authoritarian regime https://t.co/xFmJNwlgBE
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) December 9, 2018
The way I see it there are only two possible explanations for the unanimous consensus in mass media on these issues:
Explanation 1: The consensus exists because the mass media reporters are all telling the truth all the time.
OR
Explanation 2: The consensus exists because there is some kind of system in place which keeps all mass media reporters lying to us and painting a false picture about what’s going on in the world.
Those are the only two possibilities, and only one can be true, since any mixture of the two would result in the loss of consensus.
Most mainstream westerners harbor an unquestioned assumption that Explanation 1 is the only possibility. The things they see on CNN, the BBC and the ABC are all accurate descriptions of what’s really going on in the world, and the consensus in their descriptions exists because they’re all describing the same objective reality.
But what would that mean exactly? Well, for starters if the mainstream media reporters are telling us the truth all the time it would mean that the same power institutions which slaughtered millions in Vietnam and Iraq for no good reason are actually virtuous and honest. It would mean the positive, uncritical picture that is consistently painted of those same institutions which wage nonstop campaigns of bloodshed and oppression to ensure the profit of economic manipulators and war profiteers is due to those institutions possessing merits which are overall so positive that no criticism of them is needed. It would mean that the status quo of climate destruction, steadily growing wealth inequality, an increasingly Orwellian surveillance system, an increasingly militarized police force, increasing internet censorship, and crushing neoliberal austerity measures are all things people voted for using the excellent democratic political system the mainstream media defends, based on the accurate information the mainstream media gave them about what’s in their best interests.
Explanation 1 sounds improbable in that light. We know that the system is spectacularly screwed up, and we know that the political establishment which these mainstream outlets always defend does unforgivably evil things, so we should expect to see a lot more critical reporting and a lot less protecting of the status quo. But we don’t. We see war crimes ignored, oppression justified, the two-headed one-party system normalized, dissident narratives smeared as fake news conspiracy theories, and unproven assertions by government agencies with a known history of lying reported as unquestionable fact.
But that leaves only Explanation 2. How could that be right?
This part of a 1996 interview between Noam Chomsky and the BBC’s Andrew Marr describes a foundational element of Explanation 2: that there is a system in place which ensures that all the reporters in positions of influence are there not to report factually on the news of the day, but to sell a particular narrative that is friendly to the state and the status quo. Chomsky describes a “filtering system” which ensures that only those loyal to power rise to the top within the plutocrat-owned media, to which Marr objects and insists that his peers are brave truth-tellers who hold power to account. Subsequently, the following exchange takes place:
Chomsky: Well, I know some of the best, and best known investigative reporters in the United States, I won’t mention names, whose attitude towards the media is much more cynical than mine. In fact, they regard the media as a sham. And they know, and they consciously talk about how they try to play it like a violin. If they see a little opening, they’ll try to squeeze something in that ordinarily wouldn’t make it through. And it’s perfectly true that the majority – I’m sure you’re speaking for the majority of journalists who are trained, have it driven into their heads, that this is a crusading profession, adversarial, we stand up against power. A very self-serving view. On the other hand, in my opinion, I hate to make a value judgement but, the better journalists and in fact the ones who are often regarded as the best journalists have quite a different picture. And I think a very realistic one.
Marr: How can you know that I’m self-censoring? How can you know that journalists are..
Chomsky: I’m not saying your self censoring. I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believed something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.
“If you believed something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.”
It is an obvious fact that mainstream media outlets are owned by the extremely wealthy, as has been the case for a very long time. Owning media is in and of itself a profitable investment, “like having a license to print your own money” as Canadian television magnate Roy Thomson once put it. So when it comes to the news media outlets which form people’s perceptions of the world, what incentive would a powerful plutocrat have to platform anti-establishment voices on those outlets and help sow ideas which upset the status quo upon which said plutocrat has built his empire? It certainly wouldn’t make him any more money, and if anti-establishment ideas like socialism, anarchism, non-interventionism or skepticism of government agencies gained popular footing in public consciousness, it could upset the foundation of the plutocrat’s dynasty and cause him to lose everything.
Plutocrats have put a lot of energy into influencing government policy in order to create legislation which ensures the continued growth of their wealth and power. A whole lot of maneuvering has had to happen over the course of many years to create a political system wherein government bribery is legal in the form of campaign finance and corporate lobbying, wherein deregulation of corporations is the norm, wherein tax loopholes are abundant and tax burdens are shifted to the middle class, wherein money hemorrhages upward to the wealthiest of the wealthy while ordinary people grow poorer and poorer. What incentive would these powerful oligarchs have to risk upsetting that delicate balancing act by helping to circulate ideas which challenge the very governmental system they’ve worked so hard to manipulate to their extreme advantage? And how many incentives would they have to keep everyone supporting the status quo?
How hard would it be to simply decline to give anti-establishment voices a platform, and platform establishment loyalists instead? How easy would it be for a wealthy media owner or influential investor to ensure that only establishment loyalists are given the job of hiring and promoting editors and reporters in a mainstream media outlet?
Every blue-checkmark MSM journo on Twitter is auditioning for a job. All they’re actually tweeting is “Look at me, current or future employer! I will smear Julian Assange! I will help sell the Russia narrative! I’ll say Corbyn is an antisemite!” And the MSM bosses pay attention.
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) December 9, 2018
If you’ve ever wondered what motivates all those blue-checkmarked corporate media journalists to spend so much time on Twitter defending the powerful and attacking the disempowered, this is your answer. They spend their own free time smearing Jill Stein, calling Jeremy Corbyn an antisemite, attacking Julian Assange, supporting longtime neoconservative war agendas against Russia, Syria and Iran and uncritically reporting intelligence agency assertions as fact not because there’s a CIA officer hovering over their shoulder at all times telling them exactly what to tweet, but because they’re auditioning for a job. They’re creating a public record of their establishment loyalism which current and future employers will look at when weighing hiring and promotion decisions, which is why both journalism schools and journalism employers now encourage journalists to cultivate a social media presence to “build their brand”, i.e. their public resume.
So it’s very easy to fill mass media jobs with minds which are not predisposed toward rocking the boat. A pro-establishment consensus is artificially built, and now you’ve got an environment where someone who stands up and says “Uh, hey, so we still haven’t seen any actual hard evidence that Russia interfered in the US election in any meaningful way” or whatever is instantly greeted by a wall of shunning and shaming (observe Aaron Maté‘s interactions with other journalists on social media for a good example of this), which can be psychologically difficult to deal with.
I want to note what a mind-blowing time it is for liberal media culture. For rejecting a Trump-Russia conspiracy theory, the small # of us leftists who do so are treated as heretics. Far from being hurt by it, I’m actually honored that people so credulous are so scornful: https://t.co/siuQwNrZg0
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 10, 2018
Anyone who’s ever gone to high school can understand how powerful the social pressures to seek peer approval and fit in can be, and anyone who’s ever worked a normal job anywhere can understand the natural incentives that are in place to behave in a way that is pleasing to one’s bosses. In any job with any kind of hierarchy, you quickly learn the written rules, and you pay close attention to social cues to learn the unwritten ones as well. You do this in order to learn how to avoid getting in trouble and how to win the approval of your superiors, to learn which sorts of behaviors can lead to raises and promotions, and which behaviors will lead to a career dead-end. You learn what will earn you a pat on the back from a leader, which can be extremely egoically gratifying and incentivizing in and of itself.
It works exactly the same way in news media. Reporters might not always be consciously aware of all the pro-establishment guidelines they’re expected to follow in order to advance their careers, but they know how the reporters who’ve ascended to the top of the media ladder conduct themselves, and they see how the journalists who win the accolades behave. With the help of editors and peers you quickly learn where all the third rails and sacred cows are, and when to shut your mouth about the elephant in the room. And for those rare times that all these filtration devices fail to adequately filter out dissident ideas, you see the example that gets made of those few who slip between the cracks, like CNN contributor Marc Lamont Hill for his defense of Palestinian human rights or Phil Donahue for his opposition to the Iraq invasion.
Last week, CNN contributor Marc Lamont Hill delivered a speech at the United Nations in support of Palestinian self-determination and equal rights. Less than 24 hours later, CNN was done with him. https://t.co/yUjw97fUb2
— Mail & Guardian (@mailandguardian) December 10, 2018
So plutocrats own the mass media and platform status quo-friendly voices, which creates an environment full of peer pressure to conform and workplace pressure to advance establishment-friendly narratives. Add to this the phenomenon of access journalism, wherein journalists are incentivized to cozy up to power and pitch softball questions to officials in order to gain access to them, and things get even more slanted. It’s easy to understand how all this can create an environment of consensus which has nothing to do with facts or reality, but rather with what narratives favor the US-centralized empire and the plutocrats who control it. But all those dynamics aren’t the only factors going into making sure a consensus worldview is maintained. Remember that hypothetical CIA officer I mentioned earlier who isn’t actively leaning over every journalist’s shoulder and dictating what they tweet? Well, just because he’s not dictating every word produced by the mass media machine doesn’t mean he’s not involved.
Secretive and unaccountable government agencies have an extensive and well-documented record of involving themselves with news media outlets. It is a known and undisputed fact that the Central Intelligence Agency has been intimately involved in America’s news media since the 1950s, and it remains so to this day. In 2014 it was a scandal when reporter Ken Dilanian was caught collaborating with the CIA in his publications, but now veterans of the US intelligence community like John Brennan and James Clapper openly fill out the line-up of talking heads on MSNBC and CNN. Just recently the Guardian published a lie-filled smear piece on Julian Assange which was almost certainly the result of the outlet’s collaboration with one or more intelligence and/or defense agencies, and when that article caused an outcry it was defended as the likely result of Russian disinformation in an evidence-free article by a CIA veteran who was permitted to publish anonymously in Politico. The Washington Post is solely owned by Jeff Bezos, who is a CIA contractor, and who we may be certain did not purchase the Post under the illusion that newspapers were about to make a lucrative comeback. Secretive government agencies are deeply involved in the workings of western news media, in many ways we know about, and in far more ways we don’t know about.
Taking all of these factors into consideration and revisiting Explanation 1 and Explanation 2 from the beginning of this article, it should be obvious to you that the most logical explanation for the uniform consensus of support for pro-establishment narratives in the mass media exists because there is indeed a system in place which keeps all mass media reporters lying to us and painting a false picture about what’s going on in the world.
This doesn’t mean that these news media outlets lie about everything all the time, it means they mostly provide half-truths, distortions and lies by omission whenever it benefits the agendas of the powerful, which is functionally the same as lying all the time. I sometimes get people telling me “Caitlin! The MSM lies all the time, and they say global warming is real! That means it’s false!” But it doesn’t work that way; if the TV tells you a celebrity has died then it’s probably true, and if they say it’s about to rain you should probably roll up your car windows. If they lied about everything all the time they would instantly lose all credibility, and their ability to propagandize effectively would be lost. Instead, they advance evidence-free narratives asserted by opaque government agencies, they avoid highlighting inconvenient truths, they ignore third parties and dissident ideas except to dismiss them, they harshly criticize the misdeeds of governments which oppose the US-centralized empire while sweeping the misdeeds of imperial members under the rug, and when there’s an opportunity to sabotage peace or support war, they seize it. They distort only when they have to, and only as much as they need to.
In this way the powerful have succeeded in controlling the people’s narratives about what’s happening in their country and their world. This is the system of narrative manipulation we are up against when we try to sow dissident ideas into public consciousness, and as the old adage goes, it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
And yet we are gaining ground. The manipulators have been losing control of the narrative, which is why the mass media have been acting so weird and desperate since 2016. The unelected power establishment failed to manufacture support for its would-be Syria invasion, it failed to get the public to buy into the Russia hysteria, trust in the mass media is at an all-time low, and it’s continuing to plummet. More and more people are waking up to the fact that they are being lied to, which is good, because the only thing keeping them from pushing for real change is the fact that there are all these screens in everyone’s lives telling them that real change isn’t needed.
The liars are against the ropes, and they’re starting to look winded. A populist information revolution is looking more winnable than ever.
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penury on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 1:54 pm
Free Press, Informed citizens, free and fair elections, spreading democracy around the world along with military intelligence these are the common oxy-morons of our times.
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 2:27 pm
“Trump controlled by raging neocons latest”:
https://forward.com/opinion/415676/trump-just-accused-jews-of-loving-israel-not-america-and-his-fans-cheered/
“Trump Just Accused Jews Of Loving Israel, Not America – And His Fans Cheered Anyway”
Poor Jews, they no longer control the White House.
#DrainTheSwamp
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 2:35 pm
Preparing the Russian population for the coming PBM continental European grand alliance and rebirth of European civilization:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/nazis-with-puppies-russian-wwii-film-shows-war-through-sympathetic-german-lens/
“Nazis with puppies? Russian WWII film shows war through sympathetic German lens”
Russia wil admit that the Germans preempted a planned Soviet attack by three weeks.
https://youtu.be/hLc53JhyFcU
And torpedo the holohoax midship.
Mr. Patience on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 2:49 pm
Caitlin Johnstone is a paranoid “left” lunatic, increasingly forming an unholy alliance with the cultish radical right in their mutual distrust of all things “establishment.” As in all good fraud, there is just enough truth in her narrative to make readers ignore all the other gaping holes in her “reporting.”
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 3:34 pm
Humanity is on path to self-destruction, warns UN special rapporteur
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/dec/10/humanity-is-on-path-to-self-destruction-warns-un-special-rapporteur-nils-melzer
onlooker on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 3:34 pm
Duh, paycheck
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 3:39 pm
Two retired German ARD television joirnalists with 50 years of insider experience, who worked behing the scenes, reveal that the German “news” is controlled by the Pentagon:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qdDxSdxh16w
https://kenfm.de/braeutigam-klinkhammer/
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 4:07 pm
Youtube Kicks off Proud Boys Founder Gavin Mcinnes
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Youtube-Kicks-off-Proud-Boys-Founder-Gavin-Mcinnes-13454495.php
makati1 on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:10 pm
onlooker. Yep! $$$$$$ Every article is for money. That is why you have to look for the spin every time. And there is ALWAYS spin. Someone selling something. Another name for brainwashing.
After all, back in the 60s doctors were pushing cigarettes on TV even though they knew that they caused cancer. About like a dentist giving out bags of candy to kids. Future $$$$.
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:27 pm
The End of the West latest:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6478911/Now-Bass-War-16-French-fishing-trawlers-launch-biggest-invasion-UK-waters.html
“We’ll start stoning them!’ British trawlermen threaten to take law into their own hands as Bass War breaks out in the Channel with ‘biggest ever invasion’ of French fishing boats”
The British are still very much part of the EU but act as if they are already out.
The EU most of all is a peace order, which means that if you step out of the EU, you step out of peace. It is that simple. High time that the EU is developing an iron fist, which the British no longer can block.
Prepare for the worst.
Meanwhile May postponed the vote over her deal, possibly for a month. Claimed she wants to return to Brussels to gain concessions. Within an hour Tusk turned down any notion of renegotiations.
The EU would be mad to negotiate about anything, SINCE NO BRITISH GOVERNMENT CAN GUARANTEE TO DELIVER ON ANY DEAL.
Just let March 2019 pass with the UK crashing out of the EU automatically. Obviously they are not going to pay the 40B, but that’s ok. Scotland, Gibraltar, Shell & Unilever HQ and a host of other companies, excluded from the lucrative market, will move over automatically. Let’s make a 180 degree U-turn, cancel 1945 and opt for a Eurasian future.
Hello on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:35 pm
>>> The EU would be mad
Good one Clog. The EU IS mad. It’s a madhouse of lunatic megalomaniac empire wannabe king politicians. Probably a big reason why the brave English want to leave.
makati1 on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:39 pm
More American insanity:
“Conservatives Mock Snowflakes Over “Baby It’s Cold Outside” Meltdown”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-10/conservatives-mock-snowflakes-over-baby-its-cold-outside-meltdown
“Every year the assault in Christmas intensifies. First came the banishment of “Merry Christmas” – replaced with the far more inclusive “Happy Holidays” uttered by politically correct Americans petrified to offend non-Christians. Corporate America quickly jumped on the bandwagon, rendering Christmas nothing more than a multinational celebration of “Holiday” consumerism.
This year’s target is a #MeToo-themed siege on the “problematic” 1940’s Oscar-winning song “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” which has been called a “date-rape anthem” over its lyrics which feature a man attempting to cajole a woman into sleeping with him on a cold winter’s night. As a result, the song has been pulled from the radio by several stations around the country.”
Slip slidin’…
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:47 pm
Hello, your admiration for the UK and US sharply contradicts your disgust for multicult and mass third world immigration. Without Anglos (Anglo-Zionists really) and their 1945 victory over us, we would still be 100% European. I mean, Dolfie may have waved to Jesse Owens, but that was just about it. But you are Swiss, hence money-obsessed, so you can’t help admiring Anglos/Jews. Check. Got it.
It is time for you to read a few books on the origins of multicult (tip: “Culture of Critique” by Kevin MacDonald).
Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:52 pm
“The EU would be mad Good one Clog. The EU IS mad. It’s a madhouse of lunatic megalomaniac empire wannabe king politicians. Probably a big reason why the brave English want to leave.”
OUch, neder
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 5:56 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1072190546863669248
Tusk begins to hint that a no-deal has become a serious possibility.
Hello on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 6:24 pm
>>> admiration for the UK
I always admire people who want to be free and independent. That’s why I once donated to the Vermont secession in the US! The donation even bought me a t-shirt: “US out of VT” 🙂
>>> admiration for the US
Visit the US first, then bash. Europeans who never been to the US except to maybe New York City or San Francisco are not entitled to bash. It reeks of arrogance.
>>> mass third world immigration
Yes, pretty said. Just passed thru Frankfurt main train station the other day. I thought I was drenched in 3rd world sludge. A disaster and probably not repairable. But I don’t follow your argument of what wanting to be FREE has to do with imported sludge?
Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 8:59 pm
I AM WOMAN…..HEAR ME ROAR!!!!!!
Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 9:00 pm
Hello-
Hello. Goodbye. Stick you face in cherry pie!!!!
Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 9:03 pm
CORRECTION:
Hello-
Hello. Goodbye. Stick your face in cherry pie!!!!
Kinda catchy, no?
Cloggie on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 12:48 am
“Visit the US first, then bash. Europeans who never been to the US except to maybe New York City or San Francisco are not entitled to bash. It reeks of arrogance.”
You don’t have to have experienced to become crashed as a pedestrian by a 10 ton truck in order to know to have to avoid that experience.
The US Constitution is an admirable document, but the people behind the scenes with real power have long decided that white people need to go. And white Americans you admire so much, do hardly lift a finger to stop it. Worse, they pick up guns to destroy us Europeans if their owners ask them to do it, nota bene in conjunction with these filthy Soviets. Americans are dangerous (for us) because they are clueless.
But the tide is turning:
– The British-French ww1/ww2 alliance no longer exists.
– There is now an organized EU with the ambition to defend itself
– Russia is now on our (white) side
– China may be a long term threat but for the moment they can be used to dismantle Anglo-Zionism
– The rise of Trump/white nationalism created the real possibility of a civil war in the US, which would solve most European survival problems
– What is happening in France are the first signs of whites organizing themselves in a fighting force and that is good.
makati1 on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 1:49 am
Shades of “1984”
“Your wife may not know about those little trips to that Thai massage place in the strip-mall, but your smartphone does – and it may be telling any one of at least 75 companies exactly what time you went, how you got there and where you stopped on the way – with staggering precision to within a few yards, according to the New York Times.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-10/your-apps-know-what-you-did-last-night-and-theyre-not-keeping-it-secret
“Google and Facebook are big players in location-based advertising, according to the Times.”
America, the land of the free! Yep! LMAO!
makati1 on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 1:53 am
“The Largest Conspiracy Theory Peddlers Are MSM And The US State Department”
“… the fact of the matter is that conspiracy theories have gone mainstream, and there is no legitimate reason to call the authorized, power-manufactured conspiracy theories by a different name than the grassroots narratives like those about 9/11 or the JFK assassination. Indeed, due to the nature of populist folk narratives there is a lot more publicly available evidence contradicting the official 9/11 and JFK assassination stories than there is for the establishment Russia conspiracy theories, because those narratives often boil down to nothing more than secretive intelligence agencies saying “This is true because we said so.””
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-largest-conspiracy-theory-peddlers-are-msm-and-the-us-state-department-81c5703d6e65
“Conspiracy theories are a way for those in power to manipulate the narrative without actually giving the public any hard facts and evidence, and the world’s most powerful institutions are increasingly relying on conspiracy theories because they don’t have facts and evidence on their side. And why would they? The same power establishment which deceived the world into destroying Iraq is obviously far too depraved to be able to justify its global hegemony with factual evidence. All they have is narrative control, and they’re starting to lose even that.”
Nuff said.
makati1 on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 1:58 am
““Visit the US first, then bash.” I agree Cloggie. I would add that those who bash China, Russia, Iran, the Philippines, etc. should visit those countries before trying to pretend they know all about them. And that means getting off the tourist trail.
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 4:16 am
“America, the land of the free! Yep! LMAO!”
Billy you do realize Asia is the least free of all regions. Check out China’s social credit system or research the Uyghurs then get back to us. LOL what a warped old man.
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 4:19 am
“should visit those countries before trying to pretend they know all about them. And that means getting off the tourist trail.”
Look in the mirror billy. You have nothing but very small tourist footprint in China. Best I can tell HK which is not even the real China. You never been to Russia or Iran. The P’s is a little insignificant country you have elevated to god status here. Please quit the Pspam. What a joke.
JuanP identity theft on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 4:22 am
Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 8:59 pm I AM WOMAN…..HEAR ME ROAR!!!!!! Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 9:00 pm Hello- Hello. Goodbye. Stick you face in cherry pie!!!! Davy on Mon, 10th Dec 2018 9:03 pm CORRECTION: Hello- Hello. Goodbye. Stick your face in cherry pie!!!! Kinda catchy, no?
Cloggie on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 5:43 am
The last days of Theresa May:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6482513/PM-frantic-tour-EU-capitals-battles-save-Brexit-plan.html
Sorry Theresa, the EU restaurant is closed.
Give us Scotland, Gibraltar and Shell/Unilever and we don’t need your 40B
America wants you.
Home at last.
You’ll get used to chlorined chicken.
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 6:13 am
This would likely push EU into recession in 2019 considering other headwinds not to be left out Italexit.
“No-deal Brexit would harm EU countries as well as UK, warns IMF”
https://tinyurl.com/y9p4ybu3
“Britain crashing out of the EU without a deal would inflict significant economic pain across Europe, leaving the region without any winners, the International Monetary Fund has warned.”
“Brexit: Raab and Barnier meet as EU steps up no-deal warnings In its annual health check for the euro area, the Washington-based fund said economic growth across the 27 remaining EU states would fall by as much as 1.5% by 2030, if Britain falls back on rules for its trading relationship with the EU after leaving next year.”
“The Netherlands, Denmark and Belgium, with similar close proximity and trading links, would also lose around 1% of GDP.”
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 6:15 am
“ITALEXIT WARNING: Fragile EU ‘faces catastrophe’ if Italy quits bloc, warns expert”
https://tinyurl.com/y9weax2o
“ITALY leaving the European Union would bring catastrophic consequences to the whole bloc and could spark “infinite” knock-on effects across the world, an economic expert warned. Rome leaving the bloc would create consequences even more devastating than Brexit for the EU, as it would lead to major disruptions within the eurozone, according to Alessio Terzi, an economic expert at Brugel, an independent Brussels-based economic think-tank. Mr Terzi, an economic expert at thinktank Brugel, said: “The first thing to clarify is that for Italy the exit from the EU would also imply an exit from the euro, which is not true in the case of Brexit. “It is impossible to quantify the exact impact because the knock-on effects would be infinite. “A sudden exit from the euro would lead to a sovereign default of dimensions never seen before in history, which would have heavy repercussions on the world financial system, on savings, on credit to companies, on wages, inflation and so on.”
Cloggie on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 6:43 am
While empire dave resorts to Europe hating sources like the kosher owned British Express, and packs it into tinyurl to hide the source, in the typical Anglo hope that continental Europe can be destroyed for a third time at Anglo instigation, the truth is that the message says more about Anglo hopes than reality:
https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-budget-salvini/update-1-italys-salvini-says-ratings-agencies-must-be-fair-rules-out-euro-exit-idUSL8N1WO1A1
Empire dave’s European death wish should serve as a reminder to white folks world-wide who our true enemy is and if it takes an agreement with the Chinese to finally get rid of this anti-white Anglo-Zionist pestillence, so be it.
It’s going to be the “topic” of WW3.
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 7:19 am
“While empire dave resorts to Europe hating sources like the kosher owned British Express, and packs it into tinyurl to hide the source, in the typical Anglo hope that continental Europe can be destroyed for a third time at Anglo instigation, the truth is that the message says more about Anglo hopes than reality:”
Neder will always attack bad news at the source but what is curious about neder is he uses the same type of sources that offer the message he wants. That is part of his peddle. Neder, your extremist packaged emotional agenda needs to be balanced. I don’t hate Europe I despise your ugly, nasty, hateful message. You message must be neutered because it is disgusting to anyone who seeks the real picture. You spam this shit 20/7 with comments that regurgitate the same references and personal WordPress blog shit. You present these nakedly without comment that verifies your point. They are rapid fire to give the appearance of authenticity and accuracy. What they are in reality is you attempting to manufacture reality. I am not saying the all the facts are wrong. What is wrong is the package that is a LIE.
BTW, neder ALL my sources are tinyurl. The reason I do this is it requires my enemies to spend more time researching what I said. It requires them to read the sources somewhat and not just skip on through them. The side benefit is it keep this cheap forum from widening so I don’t have trouble using my IPHONE. The fact that you ugly extremist hate tinyurl so much is all the more reason to use it. What about you and your hiding? You hide to disguise you inaccurate references that are not real and often your creation.
“Empire dave’s European death wish should serve as a reminder to white folks world-wide who our true enemy is and if it takes an agreement with the Chinese to finally get rid of this anti-white Anglo-Zionist pestillence, so be it.”
Like I said I have no Euro death wish just the destruction of your personal message of hate and deception. I have no hate for white people just extremist racists like you actually of all colors but especially your type. Why your type, because you type has destroyed the planet and yourselves and now want to blame those crimes on others. I am not going to bash moderate racist who are experiencing migrant pressure. Their racism is understandable. Yours is something different. It is a corporation of nasty racism, history revisions, and fantasy futures that are self-serving and do not reflect the truth. They are binary and empty. You Zionist message you can stick up your ass too. I do not like Jews or Zionism. Israel sucks in my book but what you are doing is manufacturing a problem to use deceptively just like your Fuhrer did to create a movement that is flawed and dishonest. Everything is the Zionist fault. You extremist must have deadly enemies to justify your lies.
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:11 am
Sorry for losing my shit again everyone. I woke up extra miserable this morning.
Cloggie on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:17 am
Italy and EU on course for compromise budget with 1.95% deficit, a figure the US can only dream about:
http://m.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/italien-koennte-defizit-auf-zwei-prozent-druecken-a-1243144.html
Dredd on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:21 am
Like all good grapes of wrath we search for a free press (Awe Topsy – 4).
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:24 am
Cloggie
We have the worlds reserve currency..Which means “Deficits don’t matter”..
Itlay is on the brink of total bankruptcy.And electing an Anti vaxxer pretty much seals the deal..
That’s the problem with fascism, you eventually run out of other people to blame..
Europe has peaked and Russia will soon.
Brexit: stage one in Europe’s slow-burn energy collapse
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/brexit-stage-one-in-europes-slow-burn-energy-collapse-1f520d7e2d89?fbclid=IwAR39sirRwJfa4xz6G4Ddu9DzX0FZUvJv0K5xNcVwQYpv2X9E3-kq1kLNvOU
JuanP on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:29 am
Delusional Davy seems to think that a lot of people follow his links. Exceptionalist, there are only two or three fools in this world that pay any attention to you, and we know from past experience that eventually they will see you for what you are and move on to greener pastures. You are too sick to fool most for any significant length of time, Davy.
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:40 am
@JuanPee
Thanks Captain Obvious!
The real JuanP on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:42 am
I didn’t say this:
Delusional Davy seems to think that a lot of people follow his links. Exceptionalist, there are only two or three fools in this world that pay any attention to you, and we know from past experience that eventually they will see you for what you are and move on to greener pastures. You are too sick to fool most for any significant length of time, Davy.
The real JuanP on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:43 am
I said this obviously
Davy on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:40 am @JuanPee
Thanks Captain Obvious!
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The real JuanP on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:42 am
JuanP 17th Aug 2014 on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:46 am
I have suffered from chronic and acute clinical depression for most of my life, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Davy sock on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:46 am
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JuanP 15th May 2015 on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:48 am
I did therapy for over a decade and most of it was a waste, but I had one therapist for a year who understood my issues and that helped, though I am still thoroughly screwed up.
Davy Identity Theft on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:48 am
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JuanP 26th Dec 2015 on Tue, 11th Dec 2018 8:50 am
Christmas greetings:
Joe, If Jesus were real and could come back today and learned of all the atrocities and crimes that have been committed by “Christians” in his name since he supposedly left, I believe he would blow his brains out with a double barreled 12 gauge shotgun in an instant and splatter his grey matter all over us.
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