Sometimes, I have this horrible feeling that the battle against fake news and propaganda is just impossible to win. The latest example is an article appeared on the unnamable WUWT blog, which repeats the story that someone in 1894 “predicted” that 9 feet of horse manure would soon accumulate in the street of London. And, of course, since that didn’t happen, we are free forever and ever from any and every possible kind of catastrophe.
Let me repeat it, this is a legend. I wrote that two years ago on the Cassandra blog: nobody ever wrote such a thing on “The Times” nor anywhere else. People keep repeating what they hear from other people and keep thinking that sheer volume means truth. It is pure invention, fake news.
What I found most bewildering is how slick it is the report on WUWT – note how subtly they link an article with the words “but fake“. It is a recent article by Rose Wild where she says exactly what I said in my 2016 article: There never was such a headline on The Times.
But the WUWT author, Larry Kummer, never states that explicitly. The hurried reader will surely think that the term “but fake” refers not to the existence of the 1894 article, but to its wrong predictions. This is reinforced by the sentence “accurately describing the views of the time.” It is hard to think that a non-existing article could be accurate about anything. Slick, indeed.
You would think that people have had enough of propaganda after having been duped so many times on so many issues but, no, propaganda continues to exist and thrive. Actually, it seems to be increasing in volume and importance. Maybe it is part of the way the universe works. Maybe the universe itself has been created as a giant propaganda machine to convince the Gods that the Ragnarok will never come and that Odin will never be eaten by the wolf Fenrir. Who knows? Maybe we are all the dream of a sleeping God who is having a nightmare.
Note: there are hundreds of thousands of Web pages reporting the story of the “Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894” as if it were a historical fact – If there are any which say it is a hoax, they are extremely difficult to find.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:22 pm
Davy has no clue about the 3rd world shit hole America is becoming. He lives in Davyland. His own personal delusional world.
Reality is foreign to him. Maybe it’s his lack of meds for his ‘condition’? I keep giving him references to mental health clinics in Missouri, but he ignores them, like he tries to ignore any reference to the corrupt police state he lives in.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:41 pm
“It wasn’t an attack Davy. It was an article written by American Steven Lendman who lives in Cicago.”
So what was this? a good morning?
“I do see a very different, less free and much less affluent America in the future. Davy cannot/will not adjust and will probably ‘go postal’.”
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:47 pm
“Davy has no clue about the 3rd world shit hole America is becoming.”
And your little town of Infanta is a honey hole? LOL.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:52 pm
“So what was this? a good morning?”
Sorry Davy, missed that one, but you have to admit, after five long years of personal attacks lodged at Makaiti1, you kind of deserve it.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:54 pm
Davy chimes in with his usual bullshit, third grade putdowns and other meaningless posts. lol
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:55 pm
grehster, that is moderation of his poor behavior that is disrespectful to me. Big difference and you both deserve worse but I can’t give you anything in person.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:56 pm
3rd world chimes in with his usual denture flappin, senile putdowns and other mindless dementia.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:58 pm
This is an open unmoderated forum Davy. You really are having a serious problem figuring that one out.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:00 pm
what is your excuse then for stalking and pricking and enabling the groupie gang?
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:06 pm
Davy is nothing but an immature bully that likes to think he is in charge when he is really irrelevant and should be ignored.
He also assumes that he knows where I live, but he is not even close. I don’t post actual facts that might show my real location. And, why would he take the time to try to figure it out anyway? Too much free time in the asylum?
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:13 pm
Davy is like Pavlov’s Dog. He over-reacts to any negatives about the Us. He is obsessed with defending the indefensible, bloody, child murdering, plundering, obese, drugged up country he calls home. Never giving any references to support his assertions.
He cannot resit the urge to put down anyone who points out America’s failures and downfall. I think that is called an addiction? And he doesn’t realize the the putdowns don’t work because everyone sees that he has a mental problem and is delusional.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:19 pm
“Davy is nothing but an immature bully that likes to think he is in charge when he is really irrelevant and should be ignored.”
My moderation has neutered your message and now you are becoming desperate. One need only review your recent comments to see this.
“He also assumes that he knows where I live, but he is not even close. I don’t post actual facts that might show my real location.”
OH, I am close 3rd world, because when you were moving out of Manila you told us what state you were moving to. You have such a big mouth because you are always talking about yourself. You also said you were by the beach. I just put two and two together. Don’t worry, I am not like grehggie who said he was going to come down to Missouri and find me. LOL. Last thing I want to do is go to you shit hole town and kick your ass.
“And, why would he take the time to try to figure it out anyway? Too much free time in the asylum?”
Like I said 3rd world, not hard to put two and two together where you are at.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:21 pm
Madkat
I give references and you then attack the references and make up fact free conspiracies about them..You are a loony tune..You are the one who never gives references..You see the world as you want to see it..Regardless of the data..
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:23 pm
“Davy is like Pavlov’s Dog.”
Wow, 3rd world, using big terms now. Are you trying to look sophisticated?
“He over-reacts to any negatives about the Us. He is obsessed with defending the indefensible, bloody, child murdering, plundering, obese, drugged up country he calls home. Never giving any references to support his assertions.”
Who is overreacting? LOL 3rd world read what you just said again
“He cannot resit the urge to put down anyone who points out America’s failures and downfall.”
I will moderate your extremism if you can’t show respect if that is what you are trying to say.
“I think that is called an addiction? And he doesn’t realize the the putdowns don’t work because everyone sees that he has a mental problem and is delusional.”
I think by everyone you mean the groupie gang. You guys have this feeling that you are the whole board.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:25 pm
“what is your excuse then for stalking and pricking and enabling the groupie gang?”
There is no ‘groupie gang’ Davy, and you have been constantly attacking others here, myself included, on an almost daily basis for five years now.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:34 pm
MM, give some real references that are not propaganda and I will respond. I see the world as I experience it with the perspective of 74 years. You just don’t want to see it.
You live in a brainwashed country. Get out of the frog pot. Use some of your “savings” to actually leave America and visit the places you like to put down. See reality. You can fly to the Ps for less than $1500 RT and rent a furnished condo for less than $600 per month. All the comforts of a 1st world country at 3rd world prices. See the real world. Not the one portrayed in Hollywood movies or in US MSM propaganda.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:41 pm
Davy, last time I looked at a Ps map, Quezon Province was a strip of land about`160 miles long. Yes, the farm is somewhere in that area.
I have no worries about you, Davy. You will never leave the Us. You are nothing but a deluded bully that needs professional help.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:49 pm
There are many humorous things in the world, among them the white men’s notion that he is less savage than other savages..
– Mark Twain
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:17 pm
Madkat
You just call any references propaganda..Without any proof..You just can’t handle the conclusions, because you are an old fearful demented man..Don’t worry you will die of starvation or conflict within the next few years..
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:22 pm
” Last thing I want to do is go to you shit hole town and kick your ass.”
So now you’re talking about beating up on 74 year olds Davy?
Good god buddy, get it together.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:28 pm
“You just can’t handle the conclusions,”
None of the reports that you continue to link to, ad nauseum, come to the same conclusions as you have MM. I’ve read them all, many of them multiple times over, and I agree with almost all of them. I do not agree with you at all.
Your reading comprehension skills are sub-standard, bordering on non-existent.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:38 pm
Greg
All you do is take studies out of context you pussy little bitch..You can repeat all you want but it doesn’t make it true..you gutless little bitch.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:41 pm
Greg
‘Peak Oil’ and the German Government
Military Study Warns of a Potentially Drastic Oil Crisis
The team of authors, led by Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Will, uses sometimes-dramatic language to depict the consequences of an irreversible depletion of raw materials. It warns of shifts in the global balance of power, of the formation of new relationships based on interdependency, of a decline in importance of the western industrial nations, of the “total collapse of the markets” and of serious political and economic crises.
The study, whose authenticity was confirmed to SPIEGEL ONLINE by sources in government circles, was not meant for publication.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/peak-oil-and-the-german-government-military-study-warns-of-a-potentially-drastic-oil-crisis-a-715138.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
Exact wording you cock sucking pussy..
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:42 pm
“because you are an old fearful demented man.”
Makati1 isn’t talking about suicide MM, and he displays a far higher level,of intelligence at 74, than you do at ~30. At the rate you’re going, you’ll be a vegetable by age 50.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:45 pm
greg
Looking Back on the Limits of Growth – Smithsonian
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/looking-back-on-the-limits-of-growth-125269840/
What does the chart say? 2030 population declines following an economic collapse..
Post economic collapse the models are meaningless..It will be total anarchy on earth..You little wealthy bitch..You can run but you can’t hide..You dumb prepper whack job..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:50 pm
Greg
You just can’t give it a rest about the suicide..It bothers you so much the thought that the world could end up so sideways..You just want to push your cult of prepping on everyone else..the people who prep are in general religious fundamentalist whack jobs..I would rather die with my city then join them and survive..LOL
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:52 pm
Davy, isn’t being obsessed with where someone lives a form of stalking?
Stalk: To follow or observe (a person) persistently, especially out of obsession or derangement.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/stalker
I don’t give a fuck where you live, so why such an obsession on where I might live?
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:53 pm
“MM doesn’t have an original though in his empty head. Just irrelevant quotes or peer reviewed bullshit. Oh, and Davy level putdowns.” lol
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:53 pm
Once again MM,
Your linked article does not come to the same conclusions as you do. Not even close dude.
“The business-as-usual scenario estimated that if human beings continued to consume more than nature was capable of providing, global economic collapse and precipitous population decline could occur by 2030.
However, the study also noted that unlimited economic growth was possible, if governments forged policies and invested in technologies to regulate the expansion of humanity’s ecological footprint.”
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 9:57 pm
“Exact wording you cock sucking pussy..”
That wording is not in the report MM. That would be somebody else’s summation of the report.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:02 pm
And MM, the Bundeswher report was not meant to be a prediction, but rather an analysis for future study and discussion.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:04 pm
MM, your inability to think for yourself is going to be your death. If your prognostications are correct, then you have nothing to live for. Save yourself the grief and pain. Do the rest of the world a favor and do it today.
You are scared shitless that us “preppers” are correct and you have no way out of your situation but to join us. I guess those who stock extra food and stuff for storm power outages, blizzards, hurricanes, etc. are just fools. I would call those who rush to the stores the hours before the storm hits, the fools.
Your ‘cannibal zombies’ are not going to happen. The slide will be gradual, but painful for those not prepared. The road down is bumpy. Better to take it at your pace then be pushed over the cliff.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:05 pm
“I would rather die with my city then join them and survive..LOL”
Like I have repeatedly said over and over and over again, you stick with your plan, and I’ll stick with mine.
If suicide makes you happy, then by all means, knock yourself out.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:17 pm
Greg
You are grasping for excuses..The study was clear..and the limits to growth models forecast an economic collapse around 2030..
Looking Back on the Limits of Growth – Smithsonian
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/looking-back-on-the-limits-of-growth-125269840/
Your days of the status quo are coming to and end..
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:23 pm
Greg
Here you go..run the limits to growth models you damn self..you can be a real scientist..
Limits to growth calculator
http://bit-player.org/extras/limits/ltg.html
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:34 pm
MM,
I first studied the LTG model in high school back in the late 70s. 40 years ago, a decade before you were even born. And even if an economic collapse does occur around 12 years from now, that in no way supports your conclusion of 7.6 billion people dropping like effing flies, etc., and the BAU scenario still shows a population of ~ 4 billion people on the planet by 2100, long after both you and I have died from natural causes.
MM, in all honesty, WTF is wrong with you dude?
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 10:53 pm
Greg
You are going to regret you ever had kids..If that is even the truth..
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 11:16 pm
My kids are going to be just fine MM. That was the main reason why my wife and myself did what we did. If there indeed are 4 billion people left on this planet by 2100, we are going to do everything possible to make sure that our great grandchildren are among them.
However, IMVHO, humanity is not going to voluntarily put an end to modern industrialism, and will continue to burn fossil fuels well into the 2050s and in all likelihood will cause a catastrophic runaway greenhouse event leading to global mass extinction sometime around the latter part of this century.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 11:17 pm
Oil trader warns Opec not to raise output too fast
“Looking at the supply demand balances I don’t see how this works without prices rising to curb demand. We saw almost $150 a barrel 10 years ago. There’s little reason why we can’t go there again,” he said.
https://www.ft.com/content/a9b83c5e-7459-11e8-b6ad-3823e4384287?list=intlhomepage
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 11:26 pm
Sorry, my bad. Great great great grandchildren.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 11:55 pm
MM, most who have kids do not regret having them. Ask the ~7 billion parents and see.
As for my kids, they will likely live to see their 60s. The average life expectancy in the Us in the 1930s was about 60.
My grands will maybe see their 50s. About the same expectancy as in the Us in 1900.
https://www.infoplease.com/us/mortality/life-expectancy-age-1850-2011
Did they have a good life? Of course! You have no understanding of what a “good life” really is. It is not number of years, but quality of years. Why live to be 80+ if you are on meds and unable to enjoy life? I want to live as long as I can enjoy living … not a minute longer. But then, barring an accident, I probably have at least another 10-15 years. Maybe more, to watch the end of BAU.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 12:06 am
Madkat
Just imagine what evil will take place when there is no police around..as they say the mice will play..
LMFAO!
GregT on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 12:13 am
The only police that I have seen here in 4 years, was when my neighbour’s wife passed away last summer, and when a young girl drowned in the river a few weeks ago. We don’t normally lock the doors to the house, and for the most part leave the keys in the car. There is zero crime here MM.
Makati1 on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 12:28 am
When the police are not around, it will not matter will it? When do you see that happening MM? Today? Next week? Next year? 5 years? 10 years? 20? A lot of other things will have happened before that day.
You do know that cops have been around for about five millenia and the collapse of an empire does not end life or laws, it just changes things. The collapse of the Us will be mostly economical and will mean that Americans will have to live like the rest of the world, only on their fair share. About 1/4 of what they waste now. Not the end of the world, just the end of the empire.
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 1:27 am
Not fake news: Trump to meet Putin soon, probably in Vienna.
Note the phrasing of the war-monering UK press: Trump “plotting” to meet Putin, as if he is planning something illegal:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5868057/Trump-plots-meeting-Putin-head-Army-warns-Russia-preparing-war.html
And then the fake suggestion that “Russia is planning for war”. With whom? The West, that outspends Russia with a factor of 10?
Can we get on with Brexit please and terminate the stinking West?
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 1:53 am
“Peak Oil’ and the German Government
Military Study Warns of a Potentially Drastic Oil Crisis”
millimind posts that link for a 1000th time in the vain hope it will soon somehow materialize and he can get his desired anarchistic anti-white social revolution started.
That study was published in 2010, at the height of the global peak-oil fear/hysteria, which even held calmer and saner minds, like myself.lol, in an iron grip.
This board is a late nostalgic reminder of those days. But those days are no more. We are now living in the post-conventional third carbon age, with, unfortunately, the potential to fuel the planet for many decades, if not centuries to come. Thanks to the technology factor.
You can continue to post your stupid outdated, moldy links millimind, until you weigh an ounce, which is what you are going to do, the village idiot that you are, but it won’t make a difference.
Davy on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 5:42 am
There are still peak oil dynamic issues around. Depletion never sleeps. Wars can destroy infrastructure and the ME is unstable. Oil nations are failing or close to failure like with Venezuela and Nigeria. We have unconventional oils which are economic resources. They require a strong robust economy that equates to a healthy oil sector. Fracking cost money and the production generally must be blended in an economic process. These are negative systematic dynamics that are risks that are not going away. Renewables are likewise an economic energy. They are built with a fossil fuel economy.
We are by no means out of the woods. Demand needs to continue to grow but it can’t go that much higher. We all would agree there is an upper limit on oil production if nothing else with infrastructure and expertise. So we hit a quiet zone that could go on another decade. Maybe the combination of renewables and demand destruction from a gently declining economy will keep oil in surplus. At some point the economics and the supply dynamics may not be right and bad economic results will occur at a time when we have central bank economic issues. Our economy is not what is used to be. It will be years if ever before EV’s impact the road. If they do make their appearance in numbers then surely they will have their own issues to worry about.
There will be no free lunch and from what I see from honestly following the science no happy ending. I would love to see a happy ending for my kids. We may be in a good place with oil now more or less currently but what is ahead should scare a normal person who has done the research. People I respect highly here feel this way too. One such person is Antius who has mapped out the problem of renewables very well. Enjoy this eye of the storm and maybe renewables will stall our oil decline. Maybe we can get along. Maybe the economy won’t crash. That is a lot of maybes.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 5:59 am
Clogg
Technology can’t create energy you moron..Energy creates technology..Your screams of denial sound like the squealing of a pig beginning delivered to the butchers shop. The volume of their protestations being directly proportional to the proximity of their inevitable fate….
The End of the Oil Age is Imminent!
Recently, the HSBC oil report stated that 80% of conventional oil fields were declining at a rate of 5-7% per year. This means that there will be an oil shortage of ~30 million barrels per day by 2030 and ~40 million barrels per day by 2040.
http://www.scribd.com/document/367688629/HSBC-Peak-Oil-Report-2017
What is mentioned far less often is that annual oil discoveries have lagged annual production since the 1980s.
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt
Now, this problem has nothing to do with the recent decline in the oil price, which started in 2014. This has been an on-going problem for the past 30 years. Now, the IEA is predicting oil shortages by ~2020 due to declining exploration.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
Here, the IEA blames this problem on the low oil price. But, this problem started in the 1980s. The problem is geological: we are running out of conventional cheap oil. Shale and tar sands are not the answer, either. Those resources are far too expensive, compared to conventional oil, because the global economy is based on cheap conventional oil. Expensive oil is not a replacement for cheap oil.
Based upon the HSBC report and the IEA, the End of Oil Age will start around ~2020: there will be a dramatic economic depression due to exhaustion of cheap oil. This will cause a global economic collapse.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 6:01 am
Clogg
Sleepwalking Into The Next Oil Crisis
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/03/23/is-the-world-sleepwalking-into-an-oil-crisis/#509edc8b44cf
Oil shortage coming per IEA, Saudi’s,HSBC, Citigroup, former head of EIA.
I wouldn’t ignore all those sources if I were you..Better tell your nazi friends goodbye..Your final solution is coming!
LMFAO!
Antius on Thu, 21st Jun 2018 7:10 am
We have been living in the peak oil dynamic since the 1970s. The soaring levels of debt and gradually declining interest rates since then are an attempt to counter the increasing systematic drag on economic growth stemming from the increasing cost of all physical resources, including but not exclusively, oil.
This reached a tipping point in the so called ‘credit crunch’ that triggered the 2008 Great Recession. As the cost of oil and other resources headed towards infinity, suddenly people could no longer afford the goods and services they needed to both live at reasonable standards and repay the loans they had taken out years earlier. Something had to give and it did; people decided that they would rather eat than repay their loans. The causes of the crisis were poorly understood by practically everyone in government and mainstream institutions. The huge drop in oil prices that accompany a severe recession as millions of people lose jobs and livelihoods, led many more shallow analysts to conclude that the energy crisis was in fact overblown; completely misunderstanding the dynamics of what was really going on.
Most western economies are still attempting to recover the real GDP that they had reached in 2005 and even a decade after the crisis, few mainstream economists understand the real cause of the problems that we face. Given that debt/GDP ratio has increased since then and continues to increase, expect a rerun before too long. Exactly how it will play out, I do not know. I doubt that those in authority will be prepared to face up to reality this time, any more than they did last time. No doubt there will be more public outrage directed at bankers, criticism of government spending, finger pointing at Trump, at China and the EU, etc., whoever it is most convenient to blame. No one will want to face up to the reality that continued economic growth on a finite planet is not tenable; and that planetary limits are now asserting themselves through resource pressures that lead to rising inequality and downwards pressures on wages. They will find a scapegoat and the chattering intelligentsia will continue favouring policies like carbon taxes and renewable energy subsidies that push up the cost of energy and actually make the driving problem worse.