Sometimes, I have this horrible feeling that the battle against fake news and propaganda is just impossible to win. The latest example is an article appeared on the unnamable WUWT blog, which repeats the story that someone in 1894 “predicted” that 9 feet of horse manure would soon accumulate in the street of London. And, of course, since that didn’t happen, we are free forever and ever from any and every possible kind of catastrophe.
Let me repeat it, this is a legend. I wrote that two years ago on the Cassandra blog: nobody ever wrote such a thing on “The Times” nor anywhere else. People keep repeating what they hear from other people and keep thinking that sheer volume means truth. It is pure invention, fake news.
What I found most bewildering is how slick it is the report on WUWT – note how subtly they link an article with the words “but fake“. It is a recent article by Rose Wild where she says exactly what I said in my 2016 article: There never was such a headline on The Times.
But the WUWT author, Larry Kummer, never states that explicitly. The hurried reader will surely think that the term “but fake” refers not to the existence of the 1894 article, but to its wrong predictions. This is reinforced by the sentence “accurately describing the views of the time.” It is hard to think that a non-existing article could be accurate about anything. Slick, indeed.
You would think that people have had enough of propaganda after having been duped so many times on so many issues but, no, propaganda continues to exist and thrive. Actually, it seems to be increasing in volume and importance. Maybe it is part of the way the universe works. Maybe the universe itself has been created as a giant propaganda machine to convince the Gods that the Ragnarok will never come and that Odin will never be eaten by the wolf Fenrir. Who knows? Maybe we are all the dream of a sleeping God who is having a nightmare.
Note: there are hundreds of thousands of Web pages reporting the story of the “Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894” as if it were a historical fact – If there are any which say it is a hoax, they are extremely difficult to find.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 10:24 pm
“The Prisoner’s Village is also an apt allegory for the American Police State: it gives the illusion of freedom while functioning all the while like a prison: controlled, watchful, inflexible, punitive, deadly and inescapable. …
The American Police State, much like The Prisoner’s Village, is a metaphorical panopticon, a circular prison in which the inmates are monitored by a single watchman situated in a central tower. Because the inmates cannot see the watchman, they are unable to tell whether or not they are being watched at any given time and must proceed under the assumption that they are always being watched….
Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide: this is the new mantra of the architects of the police state and their corporate collaborators (Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google, YouTube, Instagram, etc.)….
Government eyes are watching you. They see your every move: what you read, how much you spend, where you go, with whom you interact, when you wake up in the morning, what you’re watching on television and reading on the internet….
Every move you make is being monitored, mined for data, crunched, and tabulated in order to form a picture of who you are, what makes you tick, and how best to control you when and if it becomes necessary to bring you in line….
When people talk about privacy, they mistakenly assume it protects only that which is hidden behind a wall or under one’s clothing. The courts have fostered this misunderstanding with their constantly shifting delineation of what constitutes an “expectation of privacy.” And technology has furthered muddied the waters.
However, privacy is so much more than what you do or say behind locked doors. It is a way of living one’s life firm in the belief that you are the master of your life, and barring any immediate danger to another person. It’s no one’s business what you read, what you say, where you go, whom you spend your time with, and how you spend your money….
Consider that on any given day, the average American going about his daily business will be monitored, surveilled, spied on and tracked in more than 20 different ways, by both government and corporate eyes and ears….
This doesn’t even begin to touch on the corporate trackers that monitor your purchases, web browsing, Facebook posts and other activities taking place in the cyber sphere….”
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/06/19/government-eyes-are-watching-you-we-are-all-prisoners-of-the-surveillance-state/#more-178446
And you wonder why I left the Police state…lol
GregT on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:04 pm
Have you seen the movie Snowden Makati?
It’s a real eye opener.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:09 pm
MM, I don’t generally go to movies. I don’t watch TV. I don’t even watch most stuff on the internet, just older documentaries and old movies from the mid 20th century or earlier. Too much Us propaganda in any of them later than the 70s.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:12 pm
Sorry, Greg! I was just reading MM’s post and missed your name on the one I replied to. Need another coffee, I think.
GregT on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:15 pm
If you haven’t seen it I would highly recommend it Makati. The police state goes much deeper than you think.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:15 pm
“. It was also a box office disappointment, grossing $37.3 million worldwide against its $40 million budget”
That tells you how many were even interested. No one wants to hear the truth. Or not many. They prefer the propaganda fed to them by TPTB. Reality would be painful.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:18 pm
I doubt that Greg. It has permeated all of society, corporate and government in the Us and has tentacles all around the world. The Us must be killed to kill the beast. The sooner, the better.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:43 pm
Greg
You better watch out for those black helicopters! I am sure the deep state would love to silence you..
LMFAO!!
GregT on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:47 pm
I have a good friend in IT Mak, and he showed me how he could hack into my iPhone and take both stills and video with it from a remote location. With sound.
Needless to say, I no longer have an iPhone.
https://thehackernews.com/2017/10/iphone-camera-spying.html?m=1
GregT on Tue, 19th Jun 2018 11:50 pm
“You better watch out for those black helicopters!”
The only helicopter that I’ve seen here MM, in close to 4 years, was search and rescue looking for a lost hunter. As far as I know, they never found him.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:10 am
Greg
You no longer have an iphone because you think someone is going to hack it?
Common symptoms for paranoid schizophrenia include paranoid delusions (believing everyone is out to cause the sufferer harm).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:13 am
Greg
I bet the government is spying on you and took pictures of you are your fat ass wife fucking on the sofa..I bet they got a shot of her granny panties and harry monster! I’m sure Madkat would sniff em if he had a chance!
LMFAO!
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:19 am
Greg, I have an eight year old Nokia cell phone that I rarely use. The number is not registered anywhere as it is a chip I bought eight years ago in a little mom and pop shop here. I never owned an iPad, iPhone, smart phone, whatever. I never plan to. Even the desk top I use is not mine.
I live where the country is too poor to have much surveillance. About all you see here are cameras in places that handle money or expensive goods. Malls and such. Of course there are security guards everywhere, but they mainly keep the unattended kids out of the malls and open the door for you.
I hate going back to the States because I know everywhere I go, everything I do, is watched and recorded. I only use cash there and avoid crowds. It starts at the moment the plane touches down in the Us. If Americans don’t believe they live in a police state, they should try leaving the country and then fly back into it. LOL
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:20 am
“MM doesn’t have an original though in his empty head. Just irrelevant quotes or peer reviewed bullshit. Oh, and Davy level putdowns.”
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:27 am
“You no longer have an iphone because you think someone is going to hack it?”
No MM, I know people are hacking them. My father used to work for CSIS.
And MM, my home network is fire walled, and I use a proxy server to access the Internet. If you don’t already understand why, there’s no point in trying to explain it to you.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:30 am
Madkat
I hate going back to the States because I know everywhere I go, everything I do, is watched and recorded. I only use cash there and avoid crowds. It starts at the moment the plane touches down in the Us.
Common symptoms for paranoid schizophrenia include paranoid delusions (believing everyone is out to cause the sufferer harm).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia
Jesus Christ you need to locked up in the psych ward..and they need to throw away the key..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:35 am
Greg
You are in a “deep state” or paranoia..
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:37 am
Madkat
You said everything you do is watched and recorded here..What about when you go take a shit? Are there cameras recording you?
LMFAO!
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:39 am
“Common symptoms for paranoid schizophrenia include paranoid delusions (believing everyone is out to cause the sufferer harm).”
You MM, would be the one here who is constantly talking about a government lockdown. Now tell everyone again, who’s paranoid?
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:43 am
“What about when you go take a shit? Are there cameras recording you?”
Depending on where you go to take a shit, yes, and they have been since the 70s.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:48 am
“You are in a “deep state” or paranoia..”
For my entire childhood MM, until I got booted out of the house at 17, all of our family acquaintances and friends were with the intelligence services.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 12:57 am
Greg
I can tell you think very highly of yourself if you think everyone is watching you and recording you..lol
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 1:04 am
MM,
You are constantly being watched, and recorded.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 1:19 am
Mm, has no idea what the “deep state” is doing in his life. None. He is the typical brainwashed American.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States
and
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/02/surveillance-watching-you/
and
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44163852/ns/business-us_business/t/post-surveillance-cameras-everywhere
and
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a2398/4236865/
They know what brand of toilet paper you wipe with, MM, and how much you bought and where. Who you called last night, where you were and what you talked about. Do you think that huge Intel complex in Idaho is to record old movies? LOL
https://www.wired.com/2012/03/ff-nsadatacenter/
or
https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/
Slip slidin’…
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 1:29 am
You guys are scared of everything..Just like the government wants..big brother is everywhere..yada yada..Just because they can doesn’t mean they are..You guys are losing touch with reality..
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 1:38 am
Big brother isn’t where I live MM, but it is where you do.
Makati1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 2:31 am
Ditto, MM. I don’t live in the police state, but you do.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 4:19 am
“Big brother isn’t where I live MM, but it is where you do. Ditto, MM. I don’t live in the police state, but you do.”
Ah, and everything written here is not recorded? Both of you are watch indirectly as we are here. No one is likely watching us personally because we are not a threat to the system. Start selling drugs 3rd world and you might end up dead where you are at.
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 4:26 am
But you are threat to the ‘system’ exceptionalturd. You are a lunatic, and the ‘system’ tends to deal harshly with those in your tin-pin police state. The only reason you are still around(as in breathing), is because you appear to seldom leave your shack. This minimizes your exposure to the ‘system’. Your way of playing it safe. At least you have enough residual intellect to realize you are safer staying put, and raging here non-stop, instead of say, in a mall, a church, or outside a school, where many of your fellow nut-cases tend to congregate.
Theedrich on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 4:39 am
Delete your facebook accounts!
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:03 am
Weasel Translation: I hate Davy because he can say something and he is so hard on extremists like me. I am a waste case millennial that struggles to comment so I make my appearance stalking and pricking which requires little intellect. Anyone can attack people. LOL, you are intellectually irrelevant weasel and you know it that is why you hate me.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:04 am
I did, thee, 3 years ago.
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:15 am
Never had one to begin with.
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:21 am
Mm, has no idea what the “deep state” is doing in his life. None. He is the typical brainwashed American.
You might want to reconsider that, mak.
It is you who has no clue about what mm represents. He knows very well what the deep state is, he represents it and promotes its deepest satanic, sadistic, criminal interests.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:28 am
“Mm, has no idea what the “deep state” is doing in his life. None. He is the typical brainwashed American. You might want to reconsider that, mak. It is you who has no clue about what mm represents. He knows very well what the deep state is, he represents it and promotes its deepest satanic, sadistic, criminal interests.”
Geeze, the deep state could give a shit about any of us insignificant people here on this forum. Let’s quit the conspiracy indulgence and grandiosity. MM, is not promoting anything but his ego as most of us do here. Let’s stay rational about who and what we are.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:45 am
“The Real Takeaway: The FBI Influenced The Election Of A US President”
https://tinyurl.com/yb3w4kjq
“It will be too easy, however, to miss the most important conclusion of the report: there is no longer a way to claim America’s internal intelligence agency, the FBI, did not play a role in the 2016 election. There is only to argue which side they favored and whether they meddled via clumsiness, as a coordinated action, or as a chaotic cluster of competing pro- and anti- Clinton/Trump factions inside the Bureau. And that’s the tally before anyone brings up the FBI’s use of a human informant inside the Trump campaign, the FBI’s use of both FISA warrants and pseudo-legal warrantless surveillance against key members of the Trump team, the FBI’s use of opposition research from the Steele Dossier, and so on. The good news is the Deep State seems less competent than we originally feared. But even if one fully accepts the IG report’s conclusion that all this – and there’s a lot – was not intentional, at a minimum it makes clear to those watching ahead of 2020 what tools are available and the impact they can have. While we continue to look for the bad guy abroad, we have already met the enemy and he is us.”
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 5:55 am
Most would agree the deep state is psychopathic and this article points to where they drawn to.
“Study Confirms Most Psychopaths Live In Washington D.C.”
https://tinyurl.com/ybgu8ykt
“Murphy also included the District of Columbia in his research, and found it had a psychopathy level far higher than any other state. But this finding is an outlier, as Murphy notes, as it’s an entirely urban area and cannot be fairly compared with larger, more geographically diverse, US states. That said, as Murphy notes, “The presence of psychopaths in District of Columbia is consistent with the conjecture found in Murphy (2016) that psychopaths are likely to be effective in the political sphere.”
“Psychos are drawn to power. It is not just that power corrupts, it is that already corrupt people seek power. Government is the best industry to be in for someone with no morals.”
“And it should not be surprising that the main correlation was that state with the lowest percentage of people living in urban areas also had the lowest concentration of psychopaths. Perhaps psychopaths need to be around more victims, or constantly switch out their friends and acquaintances as they become wise to their antisocial behaviors. Note that antisocial does not mean loner, it means lacking empathy, remorse, and behaving in a manipulative way that hurts others. It is possible that psychopaths are more easily recognized and ostracized in smaller communities and rural settings. Since humans could speak, gossip has been a regulator of social behavior. This has its benefits and detriments of course. But to be clear, the paper is not so much identifying where all the psychopaths live, as much as identifying general population traits which correspond to psychopathy.”
“The study concludes: Areas of the United States that are measured to be most psychopathic are those in the Northeast and other similarly populated regions. The least psychopathic are predominantly rural areas. The District of Columbia is measured to be far more psychopathic than any individual state in the country, a fact that can be readily explained either by its very high population density or by the type of person who may be drawn [to] a literal seat of power (as in Murphy 2016).”
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 6:46 am
“Geeze, the deep state could give a shit about any of us insignificant people here on this forum. Let’s quit the conspiracy indulgence and grandiosity.“
Translation: the deep state exists, otherwise it could not give a shit about anything.
Yet, since we forum dwellers are so insignificant, we should shut up about “conspiracy theories”, suggesting that the deep state doesn’t exist after all.
Tidbits like these make it clear that meathead identifies with/defends the DS (after all he is a self-styled one-percenter and sees himself as the “owner of America”) and next goes at great length to stifle any discussion on topics he doesn’t like. Meatheat is the typical gatekeeper.
After six years I still have no clue what he stands for, other than defending the status quo, cq empire. He has vague notions about “collapse”, which in his view applies to the entire planet, but somewhat less to the US (#LastManStanding). Despite all the lipservice to “wisdom” he defends SUVs, and potential solutions like renewables or autonomous driving are more or less sabotaged as “unrealistic”.
So what is meathead’s dream?
He is going to deny it, but what he secretly hopes for is a massive dieoff, a planetary reset with 6 billion or so wiped of the planet. Renewable energy would only sabotage that vision. Poor meathead, it is going to be a long wait, there deep in the Ozarks. Nothing like that is going to happen.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:21 am
“Translation: the deep state exists, otherwise it could not give a shit about anything.”
LOL, you like my translation ap. I did not say that and if you read todays comments I posted two pieces on the deep state.
“Yet, since we forum dwellers are so insignificant, we should shut up about “conspiracy theories”, suggesting that the deep state doesn’t exist after all.”
LOL, your translation ap is pretty shitty because I did not say that. What I said is the conspiracy theories are extreme and excessive and do not reflect reality.
“Tidbits like these make it clear that meathead identifies with/defends the DS (after all he is a self-styled one-percenter and sees himself as the “owner of America”) and next goes at great length to stifle any discussion on topics he doesn’t like. Meatheat is the typical gatekeeper.”
LOL, neder, you are the braggart with the 6 figure salary and you call me a one percenter which is not true. Even when I had a good paying job I was not a one percenter. I was a ten percenter at best. I could have been a one percenter if I had not left the corporate world. Let’s get that straight. Not sure where you get this owner of America nonsense?? What is your excuse for stifling any discussion on the alternative? OH, it is ok for you because double standards are ok.
“After six years I still have no clue what he stands for, other than defending the status quo, cq empire.”
Well sure, you are at of a loss of words because I continually and consistently neuter your extremist message. Your “no-clue” is because you have a one track mind of Euro Chauvinistic talk and the supposed renewable transition Europe will lead and dominate. This will create a PBM empire that will destroy the US contain China. This is nonsense and I prove it wrong with every comment you make.
“He has vague notions about “collapse”, which in his view applies to the entire planet, but somewhat less to the US (#LastManStanding).”
Yeap, planetary decline and the decline of globalism which all countries will be subjected to together. That is pretty obvious to anyone with a business, economic, and finance background. Anyone who understands science and ecosystems can see this. Extremist harping agendas turn a blind eye to it. I have studied system theory for years now and this dovetails with this thinking. Most all of the best collapse studies point to this. You and 3rd world ignore this because it is inconvenient to your Empire thesis.
“Despite all the lipservice to “wisdom” he defends SUVs, and potential solutions like renewables or autonomous driving are more or less sabotaged as “unrealistic”.”
Geeze, more lies. Where have I supported SUV’s. I support “real” green lifestyles and have numerous comments on this that you lunes call rants. Real green is localism which embraces seasonality and intermittency. It embraces orientating ourselves with the various planetary systems that are life giving cycles. You on the other hand could give a shit about the planetary health except as lip service of how wonderful Europe is because of renewables. You are only concerned with Empire and the pride that come with. You want Europe restored to her former glories which really were former sins of exploitation and planetary destruction. Most everything bad in this world started and was perfected in Europe. You even created the US and look what it has done to the world. You are a fraud nedernazi and this comment proves you are a liar too.
“So what is meathead’s dream? He is going to deny it, but what he secretly hopes for is a massive dieoff, a planetary reset with 6 billion or so wiped of the planet. Renewable energy would only sabotage that vision. Poor meathead, it is going to be a long wait, there deep in the Ozarks. Nothing like that is going to happen.”
More lies, I have no dreams like you do of empire and world wars. I am promoting the idea of hospices and lifeboats that is a colorful way of saying we need to adapt and mitigate for what is ahead. This means more death and dangerous survival situations. This begins with acknowledgement. This is not going to happen from the top. It will happen with the individual and small communities. I am embracing renewables more than most here on this forum including you nedernazi. I have put my lifestyle and money where my mouth is. I walk the walk not talk the talk like you do. BTW, a good chance this die off is coming but I am more optimistic now than 3 years ago. I appreciate your renewable contribution but the rest of wht you puke here is disgusting. You a e one of the most disgusting people here and anyone who follows you is a closet Nazi.
JuanP on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:23 am
“It is time to start getting enraged at what Western imperialists have done to Syria.”
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/its-time-to-start-getting-enraged-at-what-western-imperialists-have-done-to-syria-a53529c7c0e7
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:35 am
“Ah, and everything written here is not recorded?”
Use a proxy.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:43 am
“Geeze, the deep state could give a shit about any of us insignificant people here on this forum. Let’s quit the conspiracy indulgence and grandiosity.“
You can be absolutely sure that the police state is monitoring this forum and the people on it.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 7:54 am
“What I said is the conspiracy theories are extreme and excessive and do not reflect reality.”
Which conspiracy theories Davy? The official ones? Like Sadaam Hussein and WMD? Flight MH17? The USS Cole? 9/11?
Keep drinking the koolaid.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:02 am
“LOL, neder, you are the braggart with the 6 figure salary and you call me a one percenter which is not true. Even when I had a good paying job I was not a one percenter. I was a ten percenter at best.”
If your family makes over 40K/annum you are a one percenter. If you family owns a private jet and a retreat in the Bahamas, you are a .0001%er.
No doubt everyone on the forum is likely a one percenter. No doubt the vast majority here have never even been in the Bamahas, let alone stepped foot on a private jet.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:03 am
Bamahas. LOL
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:14 am
“Yeap, planetary decline and the decline of globalism which all countries will be subjected to together.”
Planetary decline for sure. The decline of globalism will affect those who are most reliant on it. Those who are currently accustomed to more than their lion’s share of global resources. We in North America will be affected the most.
Billions will notice little, if any difference in their day to day lives. Some locations will fare better, once the globalists no longer have the means to continue bombing their countries back into the Stone Age.
Davy on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:18 am
“You can be absolutely sure that the police state is monitoring this forum and the people on it.”
Not a high priority if they are directly monitoring PO dot com otherwise it is just part of their metadata monitoring. We are likely an insignificant place in their greater scheme of things.
GregT on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:26 am
“Some locations will fare better, once the globalists no longer have the means to continue bombing their countries back into the Stone Age.”
AND supplying radical groups with endless supplies of WMD.
Dredd on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:26 am
“You would think that people have had enough of propaganda after having been duped so many times on so many issues.” – Ugo Bardi
Well said.
Kidnapping is not fake news is it (Follow The Immunity – 7)?
MASTERMIND on Wed, 20th Jun 2018 8:27 am
Davy
I bet Greg has tape over his webcam on his computer..You can tell he thinks very highly of himself if he thinks the spooks are always spying on him..He is in a “Deep State” of paranoia..