Prepare For The Imminent Economic Collapse 2018

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GregT on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:30 pm 



Dennis Meadows: “There is nothing that we can do

“FORMAT interviews Dennis Meadows, author of “The Limits to Growth”, about the shocking position of the planet. 40 years ago, Dennis Meadows presented the best seller “The Limits to Growth”. In it, he predicted, not the exact date of the apocalypse, but the U.S. researchers showed by means of computational models, that by mid-century, the resources of planet Earth will be depleted.”

2050 again? Only 32 more years to go. I’ll be 88 by then MM, you’ll be 62. (if you don’t off yourself first)

GregT on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:33 pm 



Perfect Storm: Energy, Finance and the End of Growth -Dr Tim Morgan Global Head of Research

“The Western developed nations are particularly exposed to the adverse trends explored in this report, because globalisation has created a lethal divergence between burgeoning consumption and eroding production, with out-of-control debt used to bridge this widening chasm.”

Maybe you should consider moving to a developing nation MM, like Mad Kat did.

GregT on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:35 pm 



“Add in the rate of temperature increase and 2052 may be when it is all over.”

I would tend to agree with you Mad Kat. I don’t buy into MM’s links. I think they are far too optimistic.

GregT on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:38 pm 



“Its not about the geography its about the lack of rule of law and a prosperous society”

Strange that, in over two and a half years, I’ve only seen a police officer in the area once, when my neighbour’s wife passed away last winter. Zero crime here, and people have a rather different idea as to what it means to be prosperous.

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:39 pm 



Greg

Bau isn’t going to last until 2052 the limits to growth models have collapse happening in the next decade! once again you are grasping at straws! 330 trillion in debt plus world oil shortages and price spike coming! Will spell the end of the road..And Anarchy will prevail!

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:42 pm 



Greg

Dennis Medows didn’t predict anything and he has said many times the limits to growth models are NOT PREDICTIONS. They are mathematical computer simulations. That is why collapse is a mathematical certainty within the next decade! Not 2050 you fucking cowardly bitch! You say bring it on but then you cant even be honest with the timing on limits to growth! So obviously you are not as prepared or confident as your chest pounding statements you make.

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:46 pm 



Greg

You show what a pussy you really are..What happened to bring it on?

Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf

Tick tock you stupid hick!

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:47 pm 



Global economic growth has peaked, says World Bank
https://www.ft.com/content/4b9e6190-f55e-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00

Looks like it wont matter where you are because growth is history. and without growth the system will collapse.

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:48 pm 



USA DOE Study: PEAKING OF WORLD OIL PRODUCTION (Hirsch, 2005)
https://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf

USA GAO Study: Uncertainty about Future Oil Supply. Addressing a Peak and Decline in Oil Production
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07283.pdf

Australian Government (Leaked) Study: concludes world peak oil around 2017
https://web.archive.org/web/20170415190328/https://www.aspo-australia.org.au/References/Bruce/BITRE-Report-117-Oil_supply_trends-2009.pdf

German Military (leaked) Peak Oil study: oil is used in the production of 95% of all industrial goods, so a shortage of oil would collapse the world economy & world governments
http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf

UC Davis Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives (Malyshkina, 2010)
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:49 pm 



WORLD ECONOMIES IN TROUBLE: Middle East Oil Exports Lower Than 40 Years Ago
https://srsroccoreport.com/world-economies-in-trouble-middle-east-oil-exports-lower-than-40-years-ago/

We Could Be Witnessing the Death of the Fossil Fuel Industry—Will It Take the Rest of the Economy Down With It?
https://www.alternet.org/environment/we-could-be-witnessing-death-fossil-fuel-industry-will-it-take-rest-economy-down-it

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:50 pm 



The collapse of Saudi Arabia is inevitable
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/collapse-saudi-arabia-inevitable-1895380679

MASTERMIND on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:53 pm 



What we know:

– the power will go off permanently

– petrol and diesel will no longer be available

– the shops will be emptied within hours of that happening

– when the police realize the situation is permanent — they will toss their badges in the bin and return home to protect their families – or join the pillaging

– the military will not waste precious fuel and ammo on maintaining order

– famine will kick off within a couple of weeks

– there will be no medical care available

– violence will start immediately

– unless you are in a VERY remote location with no neighbours and no access — you will be attacked – and any food you have — stolen

– disease will probably start within a few weeks — cholera will be of particular concern since people will be sh it ting everywhere — and feces will get into the water table

– radiation from the ponds will arrive within hours depending on your proximity to the installations – and wind and water currents — in some places it will likely take some weeks.

– this will be global – so there will be no aid agencies coming to the rescue

NEVER has there been a collapse that even remotely resembles this. The World Wars do not even come close. The Great Depression does not even come close.

This will be Total … Permanent … collapse.

This will be … an Apocalypse.

GregT on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:53 pm 



“Dennis Medows didn’t predict anything and he has said many times the limits to growth models are NOT PREDICTIONS. They are mathematical computer simulations.”

Correct. Full circle. The models do not predict human extinction, unless we keep trashing the environment. If we do, (very likely) the models show possible extinction by the fourth quarter of this century.

I’ll be dead by then, and so will you, whether you off yourself first, or not.

GregT on Tue, 16th Jan 2018 11:58 pm 



“Bau isn’t going to last until 2052 the limits to growth models have collapse happening in the next decade!”

Collapse doesn’t mean extinction MM. The continuation of BAU, and the trashing of the environment does, sometime in the fourth quarter of this century.

The longer that BAU continues on, the worse the consequences will be.

Cloggie on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:00 am 



Maybe you should consider moving to a developing nation MM, like Mad Kat did.

That’s negative for “ethnic reasons”. Better stay within your own group. It makes more sense to move to backward areas like Missouri (Kunstler advises that too). “Racism/Natzi”-shouting Davy-types have not managed to destroy that state too. Not yet, but he is working on it. You can’t fix stupid.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:01 am 



“NEVER has there been a collapse that even remotely resembles this.”

Correct, and according to your links, some 4 billion people are expected to still be living on this planet by 2100.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:01 am 



Greg

Collapse does mean extinction. You’ll see!

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:04 am 



Clogg

Kunt is an idiot! I was friend with him on fb and one day he predicted the stock market would crash. And of course nothing happened. And i mocked him and he banned me…he thinks we will all go back to living off the land and his little country town will thrive again…The dude is losing lately going off about the deep state into paranoid conspiracies.

Mad Kat on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:07 am 



MM, anarchy will prevail in the Western and wannabee countries, but not all over the world. The US will be the hardest hit because it depends on globalization to exist. Take that away and the US is 3rd world overnight. Greg is better placed to ride out the future, as am I. There are much better options besides suicide. The future can be an exciting challenge. Especially for a young, intelligent person as yourself.

BTW: Expletives DO NOT indicate intelligence. Just the opposite.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:20 am 



A staggering amount of U.S. retail stores closed in 2017

An estimated 7,795 U.S. retail store closures were announced in 2017, according to a new research note from UBS, setting a new record.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/staggering-amount-u-s-retail-stores-closed-2017-161401876.html?utm_content=buffer9b62f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Cloggie on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:20 am 



And i mocked him and he banned me…he thinks we will all go back to living off the land and his little country town will thrive again…The dude is losing lately going off about the deep state into paranoid conspiracies.

You mocked him and next he banned you. You do not mock a guru without consequences, millimind. Kunstler has a reputation to defend and a writing and panel career.

You can accuse Kunstler’s group of a lot of things, but not that they are stupid. I think he is right about America and its empire falling apart and a severe fallback of living conditions in the US will occur after the demise of the petro-dollar and balkanization, just like happened to the USSR for a decade or so (1991-2000), before Vladimir the Great appeared on the scene and fixed things. Yet “geophysical conditions” in the US are NOT bad. America will recover somewhat “after the break”, just like Russia did, but not nearly to the top level it achieved in the nineties.

Regarding “deep state”… Kunstler is muddying the waters and tries to deflect attention away from the real deep state, his own group.

Mad Kat on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:21 am 



Cloggie, not all of us are afraid of the world outside the West. Some 100,000 plus American live here as permanent residents.

Stat: since 2000, (~6,000 days) less than 300 foreigners have been killed here. That is three days auto deaths in the US or three days of murders in the US. The number of “terrorist” murders in the US, since 2000, is over 300.

http://myphilippinedreams.com/life-death-philippines/
https://www.metro.us/news/map-timeline-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us-since-2000/tmWmll—14WH11UWCww

Seems that it is safer here than in the US.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:21 am 



“What we know:”

“– the power will go off permanently”

Our local hydro electric facility was upgraded in 2003. Should be good to go for at least another five decades.

“– petrol and diesel will no longer be available”

Less CO2 emissions. A net positive.

“– the shops will be emptied within hours of that happening”

What shops? Most of what I’ve been stocking up on has been bought on Amazon.

“– when the police realize the situation is permanent — they will toss their badges in the bin and return home to protect their families – or join the pillaging”

No police presence here.

“– the military will not waste precious fuel and ammo on maintaining order”

Canada doesn’t even have an effective military.

“– famine will kick off within a couple of weeks”

Lots of food in the forest around here, for anybody willing to get it.

“– there will be no medical care available”

I have training as a first responder, my son in law is a paramedic, and my wife has a PHD.

“– violence will start immediately”

So glad I chose to move far away from densely populated areas.

“– unless you are in a VERY remote location with no neighbours and no access — you will be attacked – and any food you have — stolen”

Ditto.

“– disease will probably start within a few weeks — cholera will be of particular concern since people will be sh it ting everywhere — and feces will get into the water table”

Nobody here to shit everywhere, and their is nobody living between the source of our well water and our well.

“– radiation from the ponds will arrive within hours depending on your proximity to the installations – and wind and water currents — in some places it will likely take some weeks.”

Move 30 or so miles away from any reactors, and you will be just fine.

“– this will be global – so there will be no aid agencies coming to the rescue”

Never had to rely on one yet, as matter of fact, we regularly donate to them.

“NEVER has there been a collapse that even remotely resembles this. The World Wars do not even come close. The Great Depression does not even come close.”

Sounds pretty awful. Glad we moved here when we did.

“This will be Total … Permanent … collapse.”

Beats global mass extinction.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:35 am 



“Collapse does mean extinction. You’ll see!”

No matter what happens in the future MM, you are going to die, and so will everything else, eventually. Get used to it. It’s called reality.

Davy on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 5:01 am 



“MM, anarchy will prevail in the Western and wannabee countries, but not all over the world.”
Sure mad kat, how convenient. That’s what you want. What is more likely the case is the whole world will have its own style of collapse. It also depends on how the end plays out whether that be war, natural disaster and or economic collapse. That simple statement is too deep for someone who is peddling an agenda of how safe he is and how screwed everyone else is. OH, except again conveniently his buddy grehg.

“The US will be the hardest hit because it depends on globalization to exist.”
Mad kat, you don’t even know what globalization is. If you did you would see how stupid that statement is
.
“Greg is better placed to ride out the future, as am I.”
Grehg will be overrun by people too. Americans will be all over him if things fall apart. Vancouverites will be up his butt too. There are far too many people south of him and far too few people where he is to keep them out. Mad Kat, you are in the worst possible place for collapse. You are on an overpopulated Island facing the worst of nature’s natural disasters including the coming difficulties of climate change. You have food issues that will get you and that is a given.

“BTW: Expletives DO NOT indicate intelligence. Just the opposite.”
Agenda does not indicate intelligence either just the opposite.

Davy on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 5:09 am 



“That’s negative for “ethnic reasons”. Better stay within your own group. It makes more sense to move to backward areas like Missouri (Kunstler advises that too). “Racism/Natzi”-shouting Davy-types have not managed to destroy that state too. Not yet, but he is working on it. You can’t fix stupid.”

Yea, nedernazi, I would put your overpopulation problem and climate issues right there with mad kat but you do have an efficient society, for now. Europeans have demonstrated over their entire history their knack for killing each other when times get hard. I suspect with the current overpopulation there things are going to get really nasty one day. I don’t think “groups” are going to matter if the place is overpopulated and unable to support itself. Neighbors that respect fences are not a problem so if an area has groups that are not forced on each other too much I doubt they will be any worse than the situation of the same group crammed together. You are just parading your dirty Nazi credentials again. What a disgusting person you must be so full of hate and war lust.

deadly on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 5:16 am 



GregT, you anywhere near Burns Lake?

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 6:51 am 



greg has to go over every point and argue with himself! how pathetic..And of course every single problem is no worries according to him…lol he is outnumbered by a billion to one and thinks he will strive post collapse..lol the hubris!

Mad Kat on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 7:04 am 



MM, some of us have had years to evaluate the situation and make decisions, then act on them. We are not afraid to stake our lives on those decisions. You do it every day without thought.

You stake your life on every decision to get in a car and go somewhere. About 100 people never come home everyday they do that and about nine thousand end up in the hospital and/or crippled for life every day for doing the same.

Prepping, and trying to survive and thrive, is better than a suicide when there is so much to live for. Your “everyone is going to die” bullshit is neither logical nor very intelligently thought out.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 7:12 am 



Madkat

When the econony collapses that is game over! If you think everyone will be fine and some will thrive you are deluding yourself. You are outnumbered by a billion to one. And anything you hoard will be stolen..Try being a prepper in Syria a place without the rule of law. You wouldnt last a week! That is called logic.You are just scared to die! I am not!

Mad Kat on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 8:08 am 



MM, did I say “everyone”? No, I said it would not be total. The West is going down the hardest. The East less so. Every country is different with different cultures and resources, ergo, different levels of “crash”. There is even a chance that the new Chinese/Russian gold backed system will be the one to pick up the pieces and move forward. I don’t see them collapsing when the US does.

I suggest you do not listen to the fear mongers in the US propaganda system. They are panicking because they see the cliff. They want the US serfs to demand that they “be kept safe” even at the cost of their freedoms and their life’s blood. Not going to happen. The higher on the ladder, the harder the fall.

Mad Kat on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 8:14 am 



MM, I’m not afraid to die, there were numerous times I could have in my life, thru accidents, but here I am. We all die eventually but why rush it? I am looking forward to experience something new. A new world after the US crash will be interesting and challenging. Not dangerous. Or at least no more dangerous than on I-95 traveling at 60+ mph and semis cutting you off or driving thru a blizzard on an icy road. lol.

Pat on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 10:30 am 



the end of oil age will not need world running out of oil but just the oil shortages will be enough. the world oils ability to run the world is running out fast with rocketing demand for scarce and fast dwindling ever expensive oil. what happen when everyone start hoarding,build huge reserve storage of oil?prepare……….

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 10:52 am 



” grehg will be overrun by people too. Americans will be all over him if things fall apart. Vancouverites will be up his butt too.”

There are only 5 roads out of Vancouver. One to the interior, one up the sea to sky corridor, and three to Washington State. None of them lead to where I live.

Hundreds of kilometres of very mountainous terrain, and the Pacific Ocean, say that the Zombie masses would starve to death before they ever made it here.

Not going to happen.

Like I’ve said before, our biggest concern is with climatic instability. If runaway climate change has already kicked in, then the human race is a dead man walking. If not, the only hope that humanity has left, is to leave modern industrialism, before modern industrialism causes a global mass extinction event.

No matter which way you look at it, the future will not be anything like what we’ve all become accustomed to.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 10:56 am 



Prepping is futile

*Post-collapse Preparation Is the Answer*

Myth: Well-prepared individuals, groups, and communities will survive our impending collapse and maintain healthy, fulfilling, and productive lives in its aftermath.

Reality: Those who survive our collapse will be those who can obtain sufficient life sustaining essentials—especially clean water and food—on a continuous basis, both during and after collapse. Those who store large quantities of these essentials and those who attempt to produce food, either individually or in communities, will be easy targets for the vast majority who have neither the foresight to store nor the skills to produce. No matter how remote or secluded your sanctuary, somebody will know about it; and they will come to call when they become desperate; and they will be well armed and devoid of compassion. You can prepare for a last stand, but you cannot prepare for post-collapse survival. Post-collapse Life Will Be Preferable to Our Industrial Lifestyle Paradigm

Myth: Industrialization has brought nothing but misery and degradation to the human race; our quality of life (and spiritual wellbeing) will improve substantially in a post-collapse world.

Reality: The post-collapse lifestyle awaiting the few who survive will, under the best of circumstances, share many attributes with pre-Columbian America. Unfortunately, the realities associated with subsistence level existence bear little semblance to the Hollywood accounts.
Those who anxiously await our post-collapse world will be disappointed, assuming they live to experience it. The fact that nobody is opting to jettison the amenities afforded by an industrialized way of life in favor of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle today should be sufficient proof that our future way of life is not something to be anticipated. Industrialism is not inherently “evil” or immoral; it is simply physically impossible going forward.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:18 am 



Last winter we had all time historical record snowfall accumulations. 203 cm in my back yard, at a couple of hundred meters above sea level. This winter so far, we’ve had 3cm.

We had more rainfall in one 3 day period in November of 2016, than we’ve had all fall and winter this year so far. The summer before that we were in a severe drought with temperatures in the high 30’s for weeks on end. Last summer was completely normal. The glaciers are retreating at an alarming rate, migratory birds are showing up weeks before normal, and some are even overwintering here now. Two winters ago the flowers bloomed all winter long. We never even had a hard frost.

Last week it was +14ºC here, or 57ºF. The end of January/beginning of February has always been the coldest part of the year. It is completely normal to have temperatures down to -10ºC, or 14ºF for at least a couple of weeks.

There is nothing normal about the weather here anymore, and it continues to get even more abnormal.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:27 am 



Pat

Existing oil reserves are scheduled to begin a catastrophic crash within 1 to 3 years. When it hits the economic and social damage will be catastrophic. The end of Western Civilization, from China to Europe, to the US, will not occur when oil runs out. The economic and social chaos will occur when supplies are merely reduced sufficiently….

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/has-peak-oil-already-happened/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030142151300342X
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016236114010254
http://www.geo.cornell.edu/eas/energy/the_challenges/peak_oil.html
http://www.scribd.com/document/367688629/HSBC-Peak-Oil-Report-2017
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:30 am 



“Those who anxiously await our post-collapse world will be disappointed, assuming they live to experience it.”

Humanity faces two choices. Collapse now and die off, or collapse harder later with a even larger die off. There is no comfortable solution to population overshoot.

The limits to growth will eventually be met, and there isn’t a damn thing that the humans can do to stop it now.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:34 am 



“The economic and social chaos will occur when supplies are merely reduced sufficiently….”

Passing legislation in the US alone, making it mandatory to car pool to work on the daily commute, would go a long way to solving near term global oil shortages.

It would do nothing however to solve the larger predicaments of population overshoot, and infinite exponential growth in a finite environment.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:37 am 



Greg

Well what I want is a collapse later of course..But what I want isn’t going to happen based on several peer reviewed studies.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:39 am 



Greg

Do you think you can just order all Americans to car pool everywhere for the rest of their lives? LOL good luck with that! All I know is when the oil starts to run out a smooth regression is hard to imagine! Its going to break everyone’s spirit and afterwards they are going to be very, very angry! And without compassion!

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:42 am 



“All I know is when the oil starts to run out a smooth regression is hard to imagine!”

The oil started to ‘run out’ in the US, in 1973.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:45 am 



“Well what I want is a collapse later of course”

There are more than enough fossil fuels left on this planet, to cause a catastrophic runaway greenhouse event. And that later that you would be referring to, will likely happen within your natural lifespan, not mine.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 11:59 am 



“Its going to break everyone’s spirit and afterwards they are going to be very, very angry! And without compassion!”

That probably won’t work out very well, in a country with hundreds of millions of guns, in the hands of the general public. Especially not in densely populated areas.

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:02 pm 



And, I might add, it should be blatantly obvious that many people are already ‘very, very angry!’

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:14 pm 



“Do you think you can just order all Americans to car pool everywhere for the rest of their lives?”

No, I don’t think that I can do that. What I do see coming however, is curfews, martial law, and very little commuting, by very few people.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 12:17 pm 



Greg

And, I might add, it should be blatantly obvious that many people are already ‘very, very angry!’

That’s true..Hey have you seen this trailer for this movie made a few years ago..The director went crazy before it was made and murdered himself and his whole family. conspiracy folks like yourself on the internet think the deep state might have killed them to keep the movie from being made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 1:28 pm 



“conspiracy folks like yourself on the internet think the deep state might have killed them to keep the movie from being made.”

Everybody should be well aware that those in power throughout history have always been morally superior to us lowly peons, and would never resort to violence, or god forbid, murdering other people. That’s just crazy talk MM.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 1:29 pm 



Greg

Global warming is nothing more than a tax scam..You have been duped by the tax farm! LOL OMG the weather is changing! Al gore said back in 2006 that by 2015 half of New York would be underwater. Including the 911 memorial…Not kidding he used the 911 memorial to scaremonger!

GregT on Wed, 17th Jan 2018 1:33 pm 



And thanks for the link. Looks like it would have been a great horror film, if you’re in to that sort of thing. I’m not.