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A math equation that predicts the end of humanity
The most mind-boggling controversy in the contemporary philosophy of science is the “doomsday argument,” a claim that a mathematical formula can predict how long the human race will survive. It gives us even odds that our species will meet its end within the next 760 years.
The doomsday argument doesn’t tell what’s going to kill us — it just gives the date (very, very approximately).
When I first came across this idea, I thought it was absurd. A prediction must be founded on data, not math! That is by no means an uncommon reaction. One critic, physicist Eric J. Lerner, branded doomsday “pseudo-science, a mere manipulation of numbers.”
Yet I now believe the doomsday prediction merits serious attention — I’ve written my latest book about it. Start with J. Richard Gott III. He’s a Princeton astrophysicist, one of several scholars who independently formulated the doomsday argument in the last decades of the 20th century. (Others are physicists Holger Bech Nielsen and Brandon Carter and philosopher John Leslie.) In 1969, Gott was a physics undergraduate fresh out of Harvard, spending the summer in Europe. At a visit to the Berlin Wall, he did a quick calculation and announced to a friend: The Berlin Wall will stand at least 2 and 2/3 more years but no more than 24 more years.
Demolition on the wall began 21 years later. This motivated Gott to write his method up. He published it in the journal Nature in 1993. There, Gott wrote of the future of humanity itself. He forecast a 95 percent chance that the human race would cease to exist within 12 to 18,000 years.
Not all Nature readers were convinced. “‘There are lies, damn lies and statistics’ is one of those colourful phrases that bedevil poor workaday statisticians,” biostatistician Steven N. Goodman complained in a letter to Nature. “In my view, the statistical methodology of Gott … breathes unfortunate new life into the saying.”
Yet Gott and his predictions also received favorable attention in the New York Times and the New Yorker (where a profile of Gott was titled “How to Predict Everything”). Gott is an engaging storyteller with a Kentucky accent that’s survived decades in the Ivy League. He has become a sort of scientific soothsayer, successfully predicting the runs of Broadway plays and when the Chicago White Sox would again win the World Series (they did in 2005).
Can it really be that easy to predict “everything”? It quickly became clear that 1) most scholars believe the doomsday argument is wrong, and 2) there is no consensus on why it’s wrong. To this day, Gott’s method, and a related one developed by Carter and Leslie, inspire a lively stream of journal articles.
The logic of the doomsday equation, explained
Gott calls his prediction technique the Copernican method. Copernicus, the great Renaissance astronomer, asserted that the Earth is not the center of the universe. Over the past centuries, astronomers have generalized this claim to the credo that humanity’s position in the universe is unlikely to be central or special. Our sun is an ordinary star in an ordinary galaxy. The cosmic “you are here” dot says we’re smack in the middle of Randomville.
The Copernican principle is normally uncontroversial when applied to an observer’s location in space. Gott’s idea was, why not apply it to a location in time?
You can sketch Gott’s logic on a napkin. Represent the Berlin Wall’s existence through time as a bar, like the time bar of a video. It’s got a beginning, a middle, and an end.
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Gott’s insight was that learning the past duration of the wall gives a clue to its future duration. For a random tourist, that past duration is likely to be a substantial fraction of the wall’s past-and-future existence. This allows an order-of-magnitude estimate of the future duration.
Suppose you had visited the wall at the 25 percent point in the timeline. At that moment, the wall’s future would have been three times as long as its past (75 percent is three times 25 percent).
Or pretend you visited at the 75 percent point. Then the future would have been only one-third the past duration.
Now take a deep breath. Imagine that a tourist wanted to make this prediction:
“The future duration of the Berlin Wall will be between one-third and three times as long as its past duration.”
This statement would have turned out to be true for anyone who visited the wall in the shaded part of the diagram. Because the shaded region is half the bar, we can say that, for half the days of the Berlin Wall’s existence, this prediction would have been correct.
Gott made that prediction, except that he also made use of the knowledge that the wall was then eight years old. He computed the most likely future duration to be between 8/3 and 8×3 (2.67 and 24) more years.
He reasoned that this prediction had a 50 percent chance of being right. You may feel that 50 percent is too wishy-washy and Gott just got lucky. No problem: The method can supply predictions with any degree of confidence you choose. To achieve 95 percent confidence, you’d make a diagram with the shaded region covering the middle 95 percent of the bar. The prediction range would be wider (from 1/39 to 39 times the past duration). Had Gott used this formulation, his prediction for the wall’s ceasing to exist would have been 0.21 to 312 years after his visit. This is less impressive, given the extremely wide range — but it would have been correct, too.
In short, the Copernican method is a mathematical parlor trick that does what it claims to do. You must encounter something of unknown duration at a random point in time (both important conditions!). But if you meet those conditions, it works.
So, how much longer do we have?
Homo sapiens has been around for about 200,000 years. There has been a huge population explosion in the past few millennia. Thus, as a random observer of my own species, I am far more likely to be living at a time when more humans are living (such as right now). This needs to be taken into account. The easiest way to do that is to use human lives, rather than years, as the marker of time.
Imagine a complete, chronological list of the human race: every person who ever lived or will have lived, sorted by time of birth. I will again represent it as a horizontal bar.
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Half the people who will ever live are in the first half of the list. Half are in the second half. These statements are necessarily right, no matter how long or short the list may end up being.
I’m curious as to where my name falls in that list. I could be relatively early, if humanity has a long, populous future ahead. I could also be late in the list — if something catastrophic is about to happen, and there won’t be many generations after mine.
Suppose that some people want to make this prediction:
“The number of future births will be less than the number of past births.”
This claim will be true for the people in the second half of the list (the shaded area). Is it true for me? I can’t say, other than that, according to Gott’s assumptions, there’s a 50 percent chance it is.
Demographers have estimated the total number of people who ever lived at about 100 billion. That means that about 100 billion people were born before me. Currently, about 130 million people are born each year. At that rate, it would take only about 760 years for another 100 billion more people to be born. That’s the basis of the claim that there’s a 50 percent chance that humans will become extinct within about 760 years. The flip side of the claim is there’s also a 50 percent chance we’ll survive past 760 years, possibly long past that.
As Holger Bech Nielsen pointed out, the latter part of this estimation isn’t airtight. A sharp decrease in the birthrate could postpone doomsday. Yet it’s hard to put an upbeat spin on that. It might mean a global catastrophe leaving a handful of post-apocalyptic survivors.
There has been speculation about how future technology might change the human condition. Genetically or digitally enhanced humans could live for centuries and have few children. The doomsday calculation’s notion of “human lives” may need reworking to allow for that.
Yet even this does not seem to offer an easy out. What the doomsday argument says, fundamentally, is that the human future is not so long and populous as we generally think. Will we resolve our differences, save the planet, and go on to explore the galaxy? Gott’s Magic 8 Ball says, “VERY DOUBTFUL.”
Why critics object to the doomsday argument
Criticisms of the doomsday argument are legion. Steven Goodman felt that Gott was misusing the “principle of indifference.” This says that, when you know nothing about which possible outcome will arise, you should assign them equal probabilities.
An illustration: Alice has no idea whether a coin toss will land heads or tails. She assigns both the same 50 percent chance — using the principle of indifference. Ironically, it’s Alice’s ignorance about the toss that justifies this.
Ben happens to know a trick coin is being used, and he says the chance of heads is 100 percent. Both Alice and Ben are being reasonable; they just know different things.
Gott’s version of doomsday derives from one big, bold assumption: that we can know nothing about where we stand in the ultimate timeline of human existence. Goodman objected that one could, in principle, have any sort of knowledge about our position in the human timeline. If so, Gott’s math need not apply.
Another objection centers on the “self-indication assumption.” As proposed by physicist Dennis Dieks and others, this says that we should favor hypotheses that have more intelligent beings over those that have fewer. Let’s say I’m trying to decide between hypothesis (1), which says 200 billion humans will be born before doomsday, and (2), which says that 200 trillion humans are destined to exist. You can then make the metaphysical case: “I’m a unique human being. The chance of me existing is 1,000 times greater with (2) than (1). That gives me reason to think (2) is more likely to be right.”
Should you accept the self-indication assumption, it cancels out the doomsday argument. That is an appealing prospect, but philosopher Nick Bostrom has raised compelling objections to the assumption. For instance: It is currently theorized that our universe is part of a multiverse containing an infinite number of other universes, and presumably an infinite number of intelligent observers. Invoke the self-indication assumption, and there is an overwhelming statistical case for the multiverse theory! But no one accepts that, nor should they. Dieks himself accepted Bostrom’s argument that the assumption is flawed.
How I came to accept the doomsday math
Writing a book about other people’s conflicting beliefs is an invitation to reexamine your own. There is a simple way of evading the doomsday prediction, one I mentioned above. Should I (reasonably) believe I’m not at a random point in human existence, then the doomsday math doesn’t apply to me.
Technological optimists say we have a long, populous future ahead (and therefore we’re still early in that glorious destiny). It’s an attractive thought. I kept asking myself: Why should I believe we have a long future? The best I could come up with is that we’ve gotten out of all the scrapes we’ve been in in the past. Humanity has survived mammoths, malaria, and atom bombs. Nothing’s killed us off yet.
But that’s like the joke about the optimist who’s fallen out of a 100-story building. He’s passed 90 stories and says to himself, “So far, so good!” We would, of course, have to find that we’ve surmounted all extinction threats — right up to the moment of doomsday.
The doomsday argument pulls back the curtain on technocratic optimism. It forces us to contemplate the possibility that we, and the universe, are more random than we like to think. The fact that our species is capable of a long future does not mean this is probable. It may be something that has to be earned by being smarter, wiser, kinder, more careful — and luckier — than we’ve ever had to be before.
William Poundstone is the author of 16 books, including The Doomsday Calculation: How a Formula That Predicts the Future Is Transforming Everything We Know About Life and the Universe. He has written for the New York Times, Harper’s, and Harvard Business Review, among other publications. He lives in Los Angeles. You can read more about the doomsday debate on Quora.
165 Comments on "A math equation that predicts the end of humanity"
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 1:07 am
“Davy, yes, goats are subject to fleas, ticks and mosquitoes. All animals, including humans, are. I thought they only lived in 3rd world countries? OH, that’s right! The US is now a 3rd world country. All of the dark ages diseases are popping up all over the US these days.”
Come on makato, its called farming. You live in the malaria infested third world.
“In the past 10 years, outbreaks or new mechanisms of spread have been seen with diseases never seen before in the United States.”
More junk from the makato because you know he is triggered.
Are you bored makato? Is your life so narrow and unfulfilled and to think you are bumping up against 80 with no family to wipe your ass. I guess at some point one of your family will feel guilty and come over and get you and put you in a home. You definitely ae losing your faculties. Makato, if you forget what your keys are for you best call home and tell the kids you are experiencing dementia.
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 1:36 am
Davy, you never farmed anything but lies and bullshit. You love to use those US propaganda/brainwashing terms like “triggered” and “neutered” don’t you, Delirious Davy? Are your fictitious kids going to serve and die for your blood thirsty country when the big one starts? After all, it is going to come home this time and the blood will flow in American streets as US cities are destroyed, just like the US does in other countries. Blow back is a bitch. But, maybe Civil War Two will happen first and take it down before it can start the big one? Let’s hope so.
It IS a boring day here as tropical storm JENNY moves up the east coast of Luzon. A rainy day but good for the crops. My “facilities” are obviously better than yours as I see the real world, not the blinkered, rose colored one you see. You call the above facts “junk” because it does not fit your warped view of the world. Denial does not change it, Davy. The US and the West is over. Asia is rising.
BTW: Your putdowns are getting old, just like you, Davy. Don’t you realize that everyone on here thinks you are insane and a pile of goat shit? You prove it with every post. You obviously don’t have a life or you would not live on PO.
qutbthemuzziealamerikiakafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 1:47 am
Hater of baby it cold outside and now it’s gone. No longer played
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41514-017-0016-9.pdf#page=1
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 2:35 am
“Davy, you never farmed anything but lies and bullshit. You love to use those US propaganda/brainwashing terms like “triggered” and “neutered” don’t you, Delirious Davy?”
Old man, this is the internet so you don’t know one way or another. The only people that say I don’t farm are those like you that hate me. Then there is your boy annoy and your lunatic buddy Juanpee. Hardly anything to be proud of. You don’t like terms like triggered because that is what you are. Why else would you attack me today? You started the shit and now you are taking it in the gut and you are pissed.
“Are your fictitious kids going to serve and die for your blood thirsty country when the big one starts? After all, it is going to come home this time and the blood will flow in American streets as US cities are destroyed, just like the US does in other countries. Blow back is a bitch. But, maybe Civil War Two will happen first and take it down before it can start the big one? Let’s hope so.”
You are the bloodthirsty one makato with your endless talk of war and bloodshed. What a disgusting old man so bent out of shape with hate and resentment. I hope you get what you deserve one day.
“It IS a boring day here as tropical storm JENNY moves up the east coast of Luzon. A rainy day but good for the crops. My “facilities” are obviously better than yours as I see the real world, not the blinkered, rose colored one you see. You call the above facts “junk” because it does not fit your warped view of the world. Denial does not change it, Davy. The US and the West is over. Asia is rising.”
Asia is falling apart makato, quit lying to yourself. You are a delusional old man in a small hut on the pacific coast of the P’s. You act like this is something so special that you should be honored by all who come on this forum. You have been this way from day one that is until I moderated your bullshit. Now you are just a bent out of shape old man bumping up against 80. You will be dead soon and nobody will give a shit. An unmark grave is in your future.
“BTW: Your putdowns are getting old, just like you, Davy. Don’t you realize that everyone on here thinks you are insane and a pile of goat shit? You prove it with every post. You obviously don’t have a life or you would not live on PO.”
Who started the shit today makato? Who is here as much or more than I am.? I just got done running 2 mi in the mountains. I will be going to get groceries soon then I will go down the mountain to see the wife. Visiting hours are at 2-4. I am not like you who is old and cripple. I actually get out and do things. If I am on here it is to see some news and exercise my mind. Today I had to deal with your shit. If you are going to attack me you are going to get it back and then some got it??
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 3:53 am
Davy, do you think I would read that rambling pile of goat shit? You really need help.
When you get home (IF you really are in Italy) you might want to visit one of these:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=psychiatric clinics in Missouri/
They will help you get well, if possible, although, I think you are too far gone.
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 4:00 am
“Davy, do you think I would read that rambling pile of goat shit? You really need help.”
Pretty obvious you don’t read much at all, makato. You cherry pick shit is all you do. You are intellectually worn out and of little use to this forum. Go play with your monkey or drink beer at the beach. I bet you are drunk by noon.
“When you get home (IF you really are in Italy) you might want to visit one of these:”
Makato, you might want to consider getting back to Philly and look around for some assisted living spots before it is too late and you forget how to get home. You may end up on the side of the road begging.
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 5:36 am
Good morning all PO.com dumbasses from sunny and bankrupt Italy. Sure wish you were here with me and my inflatable wife- NOT.
Just to keep everybody in the loop, excluding my ID Theft and Sock Puppetry, I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas. I will still be here it is just I will be spending more time putting out a blog. I don’t expect much of a following with my blog. This is more a personal effort to assemble what I have learned over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Green Deep Adaptation. Many of my ideas and lifestyles are not mine. I do not claim anything either. For the stalkers here I hope you find my blog and visit the comment forum. It will be only lightly moderated to prevent juanpee identity theft and excessive cloggo spamming. LOL. There will be a prize for juanpee and annoymouse if you can stalk my blog. Double LOL. Anyway fuck my enemies and many thanks to those who contributed to my metamorphous.
I guess I could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but I knew I’d get my ass permanently banned. I’ll try not to let the door smack me up the backside on the way out.
Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.
JuanP ID theft on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:01 am
“Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 5:36 am Good morning all PO.com dumbasses from sunny and bankrupt Italy. Sure wish you were here with me and my inflatable wife- NOT.”
Juanpee mental health issues on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:05 am
“qutbthemuzziealamerikiakafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 1:47 am”
Report to Douglas Gardens Mental health soon juanpablo former paltard fuck nut juanpee
Davy Sock Puppet on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 9:32 am
elqardashian-alamerikiakafmr
Davy Sock Puppet on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 9:34 am
qutbthemuzziealamerikiakafmr
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 9:41 am
“Visiting hours are at 2-4.”
More than one obligatory hour with the old lady is like being drawn and quartered. Her “illness” is a convenient excuse to enjoy fun and sun- enjoy it now before the bloated italian state goes belly-up.
Sure hope some charitable deplorable is caring for my imaginary goat herd on my supertard 10,000 acre estate.
I am SUPERTARD
Hear Me Roar
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 9:42 am
The doctor says it looks like my ‘wife’ has goat aids. I’m real glad humans can’t get that.
Davy identity theft on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 9:42 am
Juanpee mental health issues on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:05 am
The Truth Shall Set You Free on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 9:44 am
“The doctor says it looks like my ‘wife’ has goat aids. I’m real glad humans can’t get that.”
Funny, last you reported the goats had AIDS Related Complex (ARC).
qutbthemuzziealameriki-akafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 10:14 am
ok so now imam supertard fitzgerald pbuh is saying that muzzies are complicit in muzisism, unlike richard dawkins who “hate the cancer, not cancer victims” which is a poor analogy. Good, good.
and of course it’s never about muzzieism but racism and collonialism, which the good imam quickly and easily disproved.
we will see, imam supertard andrew harrod will fire back using disproportionalate firepower
juanpee mental illness on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 10:27 am
Juanpee, check into Douglas Gardens before your illness goes to the point of no return. You have not much time
qutbthemuzziealameriki-akafmr said ok so now imam supertard fitzgerald pbuh is saying…
The Truth Shall Set You Free said “The doctor says it looks like my ‘wife’ has…
Davy identity theft said Juanpee mental health issues on Tue, 27th Aug 2019…
Davy said The doctor says it looks like my ‘wife’ has goat a…
Davy said “Visiting hours are at 2-4.” More than…
Davy Sock Puppet said qutbthemuzziealamerikiakafmr
Davy Sock Puppet said elqardashian-alamerikiakafmr
Mentally Ill Davy Sock Puppet on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:23 am
juanpee mental illness on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 10:27 am
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:28 am
juanpee is one of my socks. I made him up all by myself.
juanpee mental illness on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:30 am
“Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:28 am juanpee is one of my socks. I made him up all by myself.”
davy mental illness on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 1:42 pm
juanpee mental illness on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:30 am
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 5:18 pm
Davy, your putdowns are pathetic. Laughable. You can only wish to be as healthy and secure as I am. It will never happen in the US or EU.
I live in the real world and you don’t YUGE difference!
I read current events for hours everyday and on multiple sites. You read US propaganda and suck it up by the barrel. I like to know what is happening in the real world and adjust my preps accordingly. I am glad to be sitting on the sidelines watching the game of collapse from a secure position, in a secure country that is NOT in the news.
You can pretend to know my situation, but you are not even close. Nor do you have a clue about what it is really like to live here. Just arrogant bullshit trying to cover your fear of losing it all when the SHTF.
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 5:57 pm
“Davy, your putdowns are pathetic. Laughable. You can only wish to be as healthy and secure as I am. It will never happen in the US or EU.”
WOW, makato wakes up triggered. Yea, we know how great it is having a few years to live with no health insurance or family to care for you. I think the reality is you are screwed
“I live in the real world and you don’t YUGE difference!”
Yea, an old man in a 3rd world country living on social security with no family around. That is a huge difference.
“I read current events for hours everyday and on multiple sites. You read US propaganda and suck it up by the barrel. I like to know what is happening in the real world and adjust my preps accordingly. I am glad to be sitting on the sidelines watching the game of collapse from a secure position, in a secure country that is NOT in the news.”
We are proud of you trooper!! LMFAO
“You can pretend to know my situation, but you are not even close. Nor do you have a clue about what it is really like to live here. Just arrogant bullshit trying to cover your fear of losing it all when the SHTF.”
Fuck off old man you are always spewing your interpretation of my situation as ad homs. Go jack off your monkey
Robert Inget on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:03 pm
What’s the difference between Bit Coin and sex?
With BC, no foreplay needed, you just get fucked.
qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:07 pm
now imam supertard big muzzie beard pbuh is reporting that PA muzzie is no longer a thing on state dept web site. Big Grab (the p) is awesome. i’m a libtard and i was no fan of big grab but he’s awesome. if he’s not grabbing the 2nd then he can ride on my shoulder anytime.
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:21 pm
Oh Oh! I triggered Davy! Blow-back is a bitch isn’t it Davy. What goes around, comes around as the US is finding out.
Not one piece or REAL US news that is positive today. Not one. America is swirling down the shitter faster every day. I hope all of you reading this are prepared. It will be a hell of a ride to the 3rd world.
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:21 pm
Oops, sorry for getting all triggered and losing my widdle temper again everyone.
I can’t help myself.
Davy Sock Puppet on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:26 pm
qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 6:07 pm
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 7:14 pm
BTW y’all, when I say ‘we’, what I really mean is me n all my sock puppets. I’m the board expert at sock puppeering, and neutering, and moderating.
I am the exceptionalturd.
Here me rore!
juanpee on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 7:20 pm
LOFAO@davyturd.
The board dumbass.
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 7:44 pm
BTW: Davy, if you have real friends, you do not need family. I have a very nice social life here after 11+ years. With my family scattered over the entire US East Coast, my local friends are more help than they could ever be. My future is secure. I’m sure yours isn’t. Not in Police State Amerika.
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 8:13 pm
Care to explain this Cloggie?
“Homelessness in the Netherlands has more than doubled since 2009”
“Shocking figures were published by Statistics Netherlands (CBS) this Friday, August 23. The total number of homeless people aged 18 to 65 in the Netherlands has increased from 17.800, the estimation in 2009, to 39.300 in 2018.”
https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/homelessness-netherlands-has-more-doubled-2009
I’m waiting…
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 8:23 pm
I predict that the next article posted on PO will be:
“Globalization Just Peaked”
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/08/globalization-just-peaked/
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 8:38 pm
Your just jealous makato cause my family has a Learjet and all you can afford is a Buick.
stupid
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:05 pm
Davy, all you have are lies.
BTW: I have no use for a car and haven’t owned one since I relocated here in 2008. If I want to travel off the bus routes, I can hire a car and driver for about $20 per day plus gas. Why would I want to own something I do not need? I gave up American habits long ago.
Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:07 pm
Notice to all PO.com dumbasses:
I have friends who come to my aid as required. Ever heard of Sum and qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr?
And Jesus loves me this I know for the bible tells me so.
So double haha.
These are my peeps.
qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:26 pm
above is not supertard obv.
now imam supertard glenn roberts pbuh reporting muzzie wanted to blow up imam fathertard francis pbuh
very soon imam supertard big muzzie beard pbuh will pick up this story and declare himself preemptively pope. previously he wrote theological treaties saying vatican 2 was wrong and that allah the pedifile isn’t the same as (((supremetard)))
“‘lo i’m a superior muzzie monkey allah has created the best of humanity and i’m part ape part human, i have “reverted” to muzzie”
mentally ill davy sock puppet on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:46 pm
qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:26 pm
qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 12:12 am
aswange, teh story of qutb the hater muzzie should serve as a lesson to you. the end of the road for this superior muzzie monkey was the gallow by nasser. your dead end is exhile from family, your sisters, mother, family. your hate is nothing compares to this muzzie’s.
when people were happy the muzzies said they were deceived. hey you know it works, when muzzies conducting jihad all over the world, superatar response with love. when muzzie shot 6 cops in philadelphia, cops responsed with love sixth fold. who is the arbiter of ultimate love? what is the outcome of this love, for the moment all positive.
cops are doing fine, supertard has a learjet parked on his driveway and you are in exhile in 3rd world.
here’s about qutb the hater muzzie. imam supertard glenn roberts (pbuh) linked imam suprtard ivah head pbuh
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/07/thoughts-on-sayyid-qutbs-jihad/
qutbthehatermuzzie-alameriki-akafmr on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 12:24 am
aswange:
The Koran as text cannot be bypassed by an individualistic, charismatic appeal to a personal encounter with God and neither can any teaching institution or body of rulers stand between the believer and the divine content. Qutb attempted to radically democratise or level the line of communication between the individual and Allah and did so by means of a self-evident openness to the Text as Word of God. Whether such a democracy before text is achievable is another matter.
In your own hatred, you never once assess your thoughts as reflective of reality in America. You’ve been gone for decades! The hater muzzie is saying whatever written by the pedi is and should be reflective for today’s practictioners of muzzism, this can’t be since we know most muzzies fake it. it’s all about the bravado, being on the offensive is only to mask the failures of being like the pedi
He strove to see Islam renewed by a vanguard of true believers and practitioners who instantiated ad fontes the pure realm of the Messenger as apt for today. All is subordinated to the primary acclamation focused on the One God and His Prophet and on the Koran understood as the book for true, committed disciples. The signature faith-statement also excludes or reshapes Christianity in that it explicitly disallows Trinitarian and Incarnational faith, which is said to tend towards polytheism (Tritheism) and idolatry
And here again, even in Egypt at the time, conditions were not 7th century arabia. in your own mind, America is only like what you described because your hate is keeping it there.
Cloggie on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 12:26 am
“Care to explain this Cloggie?”
Sure, most of them are illegals, gate crashers that were allowed to enter Europe by that Merkel bitch after 2015, in the wake of yet another empire/anglo instigated war in Syria. It is time that the world gets really tough with our anglos and after Brexit all the conditions for a good rape are in place, by China, Russia and Europe.
https://youtu.be/VFHdiw4D7tk
Note that in Holland “homeless” doesn’t mean “roofless”, “foodless” and “bedless:
https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/aantal-daklozen-in-tien-jaar-meer-dan-verdubbeld~b8df57f8/
makati1 on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 1:55 am
Cloggie, but they are there to stay, right? and, I bet most of them are legal citizens, not immigrants. Oops!
“Those who do not have a residence permit and are in the Netherlands illegally are not included in these homelessness figures.”
Want to read it again?
https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/homelessness-netherlands-has-more-doubled-2009
mindless juanpee trolling on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:10 am
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Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:15 am
“Not one piece or REAL US news that is positive today. Not one. America is swirling down the shitter faster every day. I hope all of you reading this are prepared. It will be a hell of a ride to the 3rd world.”
There isn’t any good news anywhere, dumbass. At least the US has a thriving free internet that cans still complain. This is something you can’t find elsewhere. Take your rose colored glasses off.
Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:18 am
“BTW: Davy, if you have real friends, you do not need family. I have a very nice social life here after 11+ years.”
Friends don’t replace family. That was a very shallow comment but typical of you and your cognitive dissonance.
Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:21 am
LOL, makato can’t tell the difference between Juanpee ID theft and a real comment. I am supprosed Juanpee toys with you like this makato. I thought he was your friend??
“Davy on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 8:38 pm
Your just jealous makato cause my family has a Learjet and all you can afford is a Buick. stupid
makati1 on Tue, 27th Aug 2019 11:05 pm
Davy, all you have are lies.BTW: I have no use for a car and haven’t owned one since I relocated here in 2008.”
Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:25 am
“Homelessness in the Netherlands has more than doubled since 2009”
more stupidity out of makato. A doubling of homelessness in the Netherlands is still low. The country is not a wreck like other places including some places in the US. The P’s has horrible homelessness. The Netherlands is a postage stamp county nestled in rich northern Europe. This is not a good makato.
Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:54 am
“After Trump Leaves France, Macron Warns World “Is Living The End Of Western Hegemony”
https://tinyurl.com/yyuhu76a zero hedge
“We are living the end of Western hegemony,” Macron told diplomats on Tuesday, pointing to the rise of Beijing and Moscow as signs of a shift on the world scene. “The world order is being shaken like never before…”“It’s being shaken because of errors made by the West in certain crises, but also by the choices made by the United States in the past few years – and not just by the current administration.” So a shot clearly aimed at Trump but we wonder if Macron realizes he is part of the “West” he describes as making errors? Macron then doubled down, warning that it would be a “strategic mistake” for Western nations not to change their attitude toward Moscow. As RT notes, Macron’s rhetoric towards Moscow has somewhat softened in recent months…”Pushing Russia away from Europe is a profound strategic mistake.” “We’re either pushing Russia into isolation, which increases tensions, or to ally itself with other major powers like China, which would not be in our interest,” Macron said, calling for the “rethinking” of relations with Moscow. Otherwise, Europe will be stuck with “frozen conflicts” and will remain “a theater for strategic struggle between the US and Russia,” he stressed. These “choices” are impacting “the conflicts in the Middle and elsewhere, making it necessary to rethink military and diplomatic strategies,” Macron noted. Ironically, Macron’s Putin-pandering comments came after US President Trump was bashed by most of western media for daring to suggest inviting Putin to attend the G7 event next year, (which Trump will be hosting). Which is odd because journalists claimed one key G7 dinner was “ruined” over Trump’s insistence that Russia would be vital to discussions”
Cloggie on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:57 am
“Cloggie, but they are there to stay, right? and, I bet most of them are legal citizens, not immigrants. Oops!”
You were correct, illegals are not counted. But still a large number of them are registered asylumseekers (mostly fighting age young males), who are in waiting to be legalized. Most won’t.
39k on 17 million is 1 on 500, that’s a very low number. These people are drug-adicts, peoplle for whom everything went wrong in their lives, as well as a large mumber of asylum applicants, for whom the handout doesn’t suffice to find a home in expensive Holland. I would bet that the number of ethnic Dutch dropouts hasn’t changed much over the past ten years. Perhaps one in thousand, which is inevitable and negligable at the same time and often temporary. But nobody has to sleep in the street, unless you are so f* up that you can’t bother to seek help anymore.
I have in my 60+ years never seen anybody sleeping in the park/street in Holland other than an occasional backpacker. (OK, Eindhoven is rich and only has 200k, maybe Amsterdam is different).
Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:58 am
I have been highlighting deglobalization and the end of the American empire for years now. The western order is no longer intact. It is by no means gone either. You do not tear up such an arrangement after so many years. On the human and economic level the ties are there and can’t be torn up unlike what is happening with China. It is time for the west to adapt just as it is time for the American order to adapt to a multipolar world with China allowed its sphere of influence. There is no way to deny China its space by the fact of its size geographically, population, and economics. China is now becoming a major military power too. This is a dangerous time of vacuums but it can also be a positive time of reorganization if wise leaders embrace this change.
Putin has hinted at this change. Putin has also been the one to nail shut the coffin of Western expansionism. Putin is now embracing the cold war too. Russia can tip the balance with China but this is also dangerous. What we need now is power balances and these come with cooperation. Now is the time to make deals and focus on problems instead of making new ones. This whole liberal Russian witch hunt has been a disaster for the US. Trumps trade war is good in my opinion and the reason is deglobalization. It is likely only through deglobalization that a new order can be struck both politically and economically. The question is if this process can be survived both economically and without war.