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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby vtsnowedin » Wed 11 Feb 2015, 16:53:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', ' ')The dumbest thing would be to try to heat a 4000sq ft mcmansion with a woodstove...but people will do it.

:lol: Well if you count the basement I have 3000 sq. ft. of this old shack! I also have plenty of woods to supply the cordwood from so instead of buying heating oil or propane it has never seemed that dumb to me.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Newfie » Wed 11 Feb 2015, 16:55:08

Yes, all is good, just build a new zero emmission, super insulated house, for 320 million folks.

No problem. I'll get right on that after lunch. :-D

Not meaning to be (too) sarcastic. It's just that most folks seem to zero in on some fact and forget to draw back and look at the overall picture.

WE (my Wife and I) can build that fancy bungalow on our 168 acre house lot.

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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby vtsnowedin » Wed 11 Feb 2015, 16:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')es, all is good, just build a new zero emmission, super insulated house, for 320 million folks.

No problem. I'll get right on that after lunch. :-D

Yes that can't be done over night but I expect that building small super insulated housing will become a growth industry shortly.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Newfie » Wed 11 Feb 2015, 17:48:20

Future Miami? Think Port Au Prince.

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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Lore » Wed 11 Feb 2015, 18:08:51

But, but; That beach property will be underwater!
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby frankthetank » Thu 12 Feb 2015, 01:50:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', ' ')The dumbest thing would be to try to heat a 4000sq ft mcmansion with a woodstove...but people will do it.

:lol: Well if you count the basement I have 3000 sq. ft. of this old shack! I also have plenty of woods to supply the cordwood from so instead of buying heating oil or propane it has never seemed that dumb to me.


Not everyone has access to a chunk of woods next to their homes...i'd say the vast majority of folks around here don't... although... The houses (mcmansions) actually have a lot of dry pine (spruce/hem fir/doug) ...maybe some ipe decking...throw in some OSB...some 3/4 ply..heck...for the kids burn a little green treated...just live in one room as you slowly sawzall the rest of it away to stay warm...maybe buy a family a little time.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby frankthetank » Thu 12 Feb 2015, 02:06:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')es, all is good, just build a new zero emmission, super insulated house, for 320 million folks.

No problem. I'll get right on that after lunch. :-D

Not meaning to be (too) sarcastic. It's just that most folks seem to zero in on some fact and forget to draw back and look at the overall picture.

WE (my Wife and I) can build that fancy bungalow on our 168 acre house lot.

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Well ..t.he question is somewhat silly because if you get to the point that you're running out of wood...who the *$$% is restocking the grocery store? IS the internet still working? Cellphone service? Can you imagine the situation that leads to wood running out?????! i can only guess its bad...really bad. ...so even if you have a big fancy solar powered setup...you are a sitting duck for the other 100,000 poor souls that are freezing, hungry, well armed.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby vtsnowedin » Thu 12 Feb 2015, 06:09:57

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Well ..t.he question is somewhat silly because if you get to the point that you're running out of wood...who the *$$% is restocking the grocery store? IS the internet still working? Cellphone service? Can you imagine the situation that leads to wood running out?????! i can only guess its bad...really bad. ...so even if you have a big fancy solar powered setup...you are a sitting duck for the other 100,000 poor souls that are freezing, hungry, well armed.

True the panic will start when there is nothing on the shelves at the Walmart. Where did you get the idea that I'm unarmed. :twisted:
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby frankthetank » Thu 12 Feb 2015, 11:55:21

Even today, before the wood runs out, it makes sense to insulate and do everything you can to reduce energy consumption in your home. Options such as adding exterior foams (say polyiso) or even rockwool. Adding as much insulation (if possible) to your attic (R100) ....adding interior wall insulation (add another stud wall...double stud). The biggest issue is watching when/where/if condensation is going to form (rot/mold). On the heating side of things you could add wood and stockpile (if you have the room). You could add a mini split heat pump (they work even in cold climates). Solar panels are cheap now. Lots of things people can do to prepare themselves should things really fall apart...

...even here in Wi...winter is usually a Dec-March thing...so its not like Hudson Bay.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Newfie » Thu 12 Feb 2015, 12:24:34

Frank,

Did you look at those pictures of NY City housing?

Yes, it may work for YOU. It will NOT work for the over 50% that life in cities.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Pops » Thu 12 Feb 2015, 12:35:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')ell ..t.he question is somewhat silly because if you get to the point that you're running out of wood...who the *$$% is restocking the grocery store?

Ever hear of running out of money?

PO is about the economy and personal circumstance, not some idealized EOTW. Once, back when, the neighbor kid came over, he asked to borrow some firewood. He said dad was in jail and mom had been on a run for a week (this is back when meth was called crank) and he and the little sister had been alone in the trailer burning furniture.

If you think the world has to end before you start burning the furniture you are way off.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby careinke » Sat 14 Feb 2015, 21:48:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'A') doomer porn video is not proof of a future event. I could show you videos explaining how technological nirvana is going to arrive in 5 years, which would counter your claim, but just like your video, it would just be a prediction. Neither of us could be proven right until we wait the 5 years. If you are certain the world economy is going to collapse in 5 years, you should have no problem betting a large sum of money on that prediction.

So, put your money where your mouth is.


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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Revi » Mon 16 Feb 2015, 18:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'F')rank,

Did you look at those pictures of NY City housing?

Yes, it may work for YOU. It will NOT work for the over 50% that life in cities.

No, it won't work for them. How can it? We are headed for some hard times, and it's hard to tell the best place to live, but I would say big cities are going to have trouble, and really out there places are too, because they are too hard to defend. I would say the place to be is in a small town or maybe even a small city if it has a harbor. A lot of places will become unliveable or indefensible. Hard to tell where those are going to be, but I think places that made it before oil came into common use are the places to be.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby vtsnowedin » Mon 16 Feb 2015, 21:22:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'H')ard to tell where those are going to be, but I think places that made it before oil came into common use are the places to be.

I like your logic there. If it worked before oil it should work after oil if some other essential resource has not been depleted in the mean time.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby Quinny » Tue 17 Feb 2015, 14:14:43

So would I.

Can you provide a link?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'A') doomer porn video is not proof of a future event. I could show you videos explaining how technological nirvana is going to arrive in 5 years, which would counter your claim, but just like your video, it would just be a prediction. Neither of us could be proven right until we wait the 5 years. If you are certain the world economy is going to collapse in 5 years, you should have no problem betting a large sum of money on that prediction.

So, put your money where your mouth is.


I'd like to see that video.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby DesuMaiden » Tue 17 Feb 2015, 23:28:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'S')o would I.

Can you provide a link?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'A') doomer porn video is not proof of a future event. I could show you videos explaining how technological nirvana is going to arrive in 5 years, which would counter your claim, but just like your video, it would just be a prediction. Neither of us could be proven right until we wait the 5 years. If you are certain the world economy is going to collapse in 5 years, you should have no problem betting a large sum of money on that prediction.

So, put your money where your mouth is.


I'd like to see that video.

Copious. Abundance must be a shill. Anyone believing in cornucopian nonsense is seriously lacking in critical thinking skills. Anyways, here's a link to the video I was referring to, which predicts a world-wide economic collapse in another 5 years around 2020.

Peak Oil strikes 2020: Oil price spike causes Worldwide Depression and Food shortages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4Tyy5nsQ8

Here's another video making similar predictions of economic collapse around 2020.

German Army Peak Oil Study - within 10 years oil shortages may collapse global economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUe7w1gDZo

Both of these videos are backed up by scientific sources, so they aren't just some random nonsense someone pulled out of their ass. I do believe around 2020, the world economy will collapse because of peak oil.
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Re: Will peak wood also doom the human race?

Postby careinke » Wed 18 Feb 2015, 00:51:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') think a half a cord per acre is the amount that a northern forest grows.


Wow, just my big leaf maples put out more than that.
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