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Re: Whatever happened to...
by Ibon » Sun 18 Nov 2012, 11:34:02
John Michael Greer is currently on this theme over at his site. Maybe in this regard I am naive but I see the probability of a nuclear incident as very remote and this is way down on my list of concerns.
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Re: Whatever happened to...
by Tanada » Sun 18 Nov 2012, 16:58:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'J')ohn Michael Greer is currently on this theme over at his site. Maybe in this regard I am naive but I see the probability of a nuclear incident as very remote and this is way down on my list of concerns.
I hope you are right, I just fear you are overly optimistic.
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Whatever happened to...
by davep » Sun 18 Nov 2012, 17:49:46
Hmmm. Maybe it's time to resurrect my "root cellar" project.
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Re: Whatever happened to...
by Plantagenet » Sun 18 Nov 2012, 18:51:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', ' ')I see the probability of a nuclear incident as very remote and this is way down on my list of concerns.
I hope you are right, but when it comes to all kinds of complex human organizations and engineering and construction projects, I see a disturbing tendency for rare but catastrohpic "black swan" events to happen more often then might be thought.
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Re: Whatever happened to...
by Heineken » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 10:33:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') continue to see nuclear war as the biggest near-term threat. There are so many plausible scenarios. But few people here seem to incorporate it into their system of major fear-referents. Mysterious. I suppose we've become inured to living with a dagger suspended over our heads.
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The other half of that of course is the incontrovertible fact that the last time one was used against people was August 9, 1945...67 years ago. When it eventually happens you will see mass panic because the mass of people know nothing about what it means, how to protect themselves, and so on and so forth. I lived through the panic commentary for Chernobyl, where effects in the USA were below perceptibility, I lived through the panic commentary for Fukishima where again the effect on the USA was below perceptibility. If India and Pakistan go at it with everything they have and nobody else gets involved then you will see the same kind of reporting, it will will described in graphic end of the world terms but the direct effects on the USA will be meager. The economic impact will be a much bigger deal than any potential radiation, but the media loves wild radiation scenario's so that is what will be talked about.
Yes, but how likely is it that no one else would get involved if India and Pakistan "go at it," Tanada? Or any other pair of nuke-equipped countries you'd care to name? That's a facile assumption IMO. The world is more interrelated than ever.
Even if just that region of the world were decimated, think what that would mean. Let's not be too US-centric.
My feeling is that, since the weapons exist and are spreading to increasingly unstable, resource-strapped countries, the weapons will eventually be used, and in a big way. Maybe it won't extinguish humanity, but it'll put a serious hurting on us. Yes, 67 years have passed since the last use of nuclear weapons, which is actually a negative because we are becoming ever more complacent about them. People tend to repeat history, not learn from it.
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, for ages it was super slow, or didn't load at all, then there was the spamguard issue where half the time when I tried to post it wouldn't go thru. It's not surprising so many left but hopefully curiosity will drag some of them back, at least for a peak.
