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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby ennui2 » Sun 11 Nov 2012, 13:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I guess love is accepting the other person... kinda, but always pushing them.


I think that's true, both in lovers and in friends. If you do not push them, then you are just sycophants (or worse, an enablers). If you've got a healthy concept of self, you're never going to think you're perfect. You're going to know where you need to grow or improve, and having people who love you provides a cheering section to go where you've already decided you want to go. But if people try to change you in ways you feel you can't or won't change, then they're wrong.

It's sometimes tough to tell the difference on both sides of this, because people have such a difficult time finding out who they are and where they want to go. They zig and then they zag, leaving collateral damage behind. You become someone's cheering section and they tell you they want to do X, Y, Z, and then over time you realize they never had any intention to do it. This then feels like a betrayal. So what I've learned is never to love someone conditionally based on who you think they can become, but based on who they are now. If their current flaws are unacceptable, then move on. No My Fair Lady fixer-uppers.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Narz » Sun 11 Nov 2012, 23:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'W')hereas Toecutter admitted to having issues with authority, I have issues with masculinity. (This is a big reason why the characters I write for are almost all women.) I view men who celebrate their masculinity by driving big trucks and following professional wrestling with disdain. This is because of my own baggage, having been the typical nerd who got beaten up in school while the captain of the football team was getting all the tail. As a beta-male (or gamma, heh) I have a grudge against the Alpha Male.

Where that rubs off on doomerism is me having a visceral revulsion towards people who teeter towards the weekend-warrior Militia types, and by extension, libertarian/anarchists who are still bitter about Ruby-Ridge and Waco and who think the jack-boot-thugs(TM) are gonna bust down their door. Too many men value their self-worth based on their competitive ability, whereas I am wired for cooperation.

I can relate to that, though maybe not to the same extent. I have a revulsion for "bros" & wannabe-mobster types more than rednecks (though this is probably because I've been lucky enough to avoid much contact with rednecks).

I have a lot of respect for very masculine dudes who aren't afraid to be kind & sensitive/humorous/open (instead of needing to be macho all the time). I aspire to be one actually & that is what I'd want for my son if I ever have one.

I do think competition is overrated. A little over a year ago I read a book called "No Contest - the case against competition" which was pretty compelling. I really need a hobby that serves humanity. I played in a chess tournament today & really felt for my 3rd round opponent who screwed up an endgame against me & lost. He was only 12 and was 0-2 in the previous games. I think cooperation is much more fulfilling to human beings in general than competitive endeavors are.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'T')he only saving grace here is that I have the humility to acknowledge my biases. Most people are unwilling to even admit they have them, and so when you point them out, it goes in one ear and out the other. If you want to identify the main role I served on this forum, it was me gate-crashing echo-chamber threads and trying to get people to stop and question whether they were just circle-jerking rather than actually getting towards some deeper truths. That's why you have the phrase "preaching to the converted".

There is a certain comfort in being within like-minded people, but it does get stale. There's also a certain "fun" in fighting the endless battle with rivals who will never change, just like battling endless waves of Space Invaders, knowing it will never end. But for me, the greatest sense of accomplishment is to feel like I actually DID get someone to think of something they wouldn't have otherwise thought, and it caused them to grow or make a different life-decision.

I can relate to that. Thing is, I think you mostly affect people who are already open to you. Which is fine because those are usually the ones who need the most support.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Keith_McClary » Sun 11 Nov 2012, 23:46:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', ' ')But it's really hard to know how you may have impacted the world unless you could wave a magic wand and erase yourself and see how different it would be. It requires a leap of faith to believe that you still matter in some subtle way, and to keep plugging at it, rather than feeling like just another worthless yeast cell in the petri dish.
According to Chaos Theory, any post you make may have major "butterfly effects" on the future, but unknowable and unpredictable. If that makes you feel any better.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'T')he reason why I get depressed with online interactions is that most often the person you're sparring with is not really listening to you, and they never learn anything from the interchange. That is the main source of frustration with Planty in particular, that feeling that he never opens his mind. It makes you feel that you really aren't communicating with a human being at all, but a chat-bot or something.
Not wanting to change the tone of this thread, but I have the the same problem with your MSM based beliefs on many topics.

Did anyone ever ask you why your previous incarnation (to use a "meat space" term, I can't think of an on-line equivalent) was a microchip?
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Evltre » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 01:14:33

Nice to see I'm not the only one still lurking around from time to time :oops: [smilie=adios.gif] Nice to see some names I remember - I never really talked a lot so probably no one remembers me :lol: But I'm still here...with a huge vege garden and a lot of fruit trees
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Heineken » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 09:35:55

I was or am the electron-entity known as Heineken, aka a mildly above-par beer.

Sheer chance that I decided to check out the home page for the first time in about a year, and noticed this thread.

I was reading an article in Bloomberg about how US oil production is going to outstrip Saudi Arabia's in the near future, at least for a five-year period. We're awash in oil, folks. Glub-glub. Anyway, that article made me think of you and brought me here.

As I've long maintained, POers are right about PO as to fact but not as to timing. It isn't the imminent threat to life that many of us (including myself, for a couple of years) believed right down to our groins. Ditto for peak NG (boy, were we wrong about that).

Whatever DID happen to me? Same thing that happens to everyone . . . I got old, in several ways. And PeakOil got old (for me, anyway).

When you're old you discover you have to conserve what was once but is no longer infinite energy. And I was spewing away entirely too much energy here, for a highly inconsistent positive return, not to mention occasional acute negative reinforcement brought on by friction with certain anal-retentive, blinkered, ego-inflated personalities.

What's more, I began to recognize that the central problem we all face is not PO but GW and, even more, the prospect of good ol'-fashioned nuclear war. I see the latter as increasingly likely, even though many POers pooh-pooh either that likelihood or the consequences thereof should it indeed transpire.

People embrace what is novel and sexy and young. Nuclear war seems like old hat.

Anyway, anyway, I certainly met some wonderful souls here and treasured my virtual friendships with them. POers tend to be highly informed and intelligent, and communing with them can be refreshing in this dumbed-down world.

I've been married for two years to a sweet lady, name of Sheila, who moved from Southern Cal all the way to backwoods Virginia to be with little me and be my only friend. Quite a culture shock for her, but she's adjusted and loves the state. We explore the back roads a lot on weekends. We both like antiques and collect a few (alas, you can't readily find good antiques in the real world anymore, you have to buy them online). During the week she works as a physician assistant and I stay home and clean, chop wood, fix things, plink away at printer-generated targets, and make fairly bad pottery. I'm still taking care of my mother (84) in her apartment over the barn, and once a month I make the drive to southside Richmond to visit my father (87) at the VA nursing home.

Earlier this year I was told I had prostate cancer. In August they cut the damned thing out (luckily I have VA healthcare myself). Recovery was really tough. An adventure in pain and humiliation. That's a very sensitive area of the male bod, let me tell you. Apparently I'm cured, though left with dubious erectile powers, at least for now.

My brother in Boston has had an annus horribilis of Job-like proportions. His wife's Alzheimer's disease was no longer controllable with medication, his son was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, and he was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Whenever you think you have problems, think of that family.

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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby vision-master » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 10:17:05

ppl fretting about 'survival' in this materialium need to look beyond their outer shells of illusion and focus on what's really important.......... (you figure it out) lsol
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby SeaGypsy » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 12:47:27

Preferably at 90mph with heated leather seats? (Lol)
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby ennui2 » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 13:10:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Earlier this year I was told I had prostate cancer.


Gosh. Sorry to hear that, but it does reinforce the theme that, barring an immediate fast-crash, the individual ordinary lives we lead with its various ups and downs are more pressing than that of the fate of the world as a whole. I'm glad you have a loving wife to help you through that.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Heineken » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 14:04:04

Thanks, ennui, and I agree with your comment about crashing. Doom happens one person at a time (i.e, to ourselves). That's the only scale that can have truly graspable meaning to us as individuals.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Keith_McClary » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 14:11:03

Good to see the ol' bottle cap again.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')hen you're old you discover you have to conserve what was once but is no longer infinite energy.

Also time. Many people in their youth have a crisis upon realizing they only have a finite amount. They generally "get over it" for a few decades.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Ibon » Mon 12 Nov 2012, 17:48:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'G')ood to see the ol' bottle cap again.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')hen you're old you discover you have to conserve what was once but is no longer infinite energy.

Also time. Many people in their youth have a crisis upon realizing they only have a finite amount. They generally "get over it" for a few decades.


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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby ennui2 » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 00:10:13

OK folks. The real reason I popped my head in here was to humiliate Planty by gloating over Obama's reelection. I was also glad to get caught up with a few of you and to throw my 2c into a few threads for old time's sake. I posted links to my Youtube clips so if any of you want to ping me, do so privately via youtube or Facebook. Peace out.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 00:37:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'O')K folks. The real reason I popped my head in here was ...gloating over Obama's reelection.


That was obvious. However, your non-political posts about your job history and your love life over the last couple of years were actually pretty interesting. It was also great to hear from other folks who aren't posting much these days.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', ' ') Peace out.


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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby SpringCreekFarm » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 00:50:08

It's always great to hear from Heineken even if he brings a bit of bad news. Sorry to hear about your cancer and I hope you stay well. Also glad to hear you still have your parents and that you are married. You did the right thing by getting away from here a while.

I'd like to know what ever happened to Aaron. Remember him? The Boss. Last I heard, he had a daughter and perhaps some problems regarding that. I hope you're doing well Aaron if you're lurking.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Narz » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 01:00:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')referably at 90mph with heated leather seats? (Lol)

Nice zinger Gypsy. :lol:

Heineken, sorry about the cancer but very happy for you everything is working out with your relationship! Sorry we never met up when I hit up VA last summer.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'I')'d like to know what ever happened to Aaron. Remember him? The Boss. Last I heard, he had a daughter and perhaps some problems regarding that. I hope you're doing well Aaron if you're lurking.

Yeah, he seemed to have dropped off the map, hope he's ok.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby vision-master » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 10:01:34

I learned much from 2012btu...... You don't remember her?
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby vision-master » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 10:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')referably at 90mph with heated leather seats? (Lol)



SG, I have many years on you - I'm gonna enjoy the materialium while I can...... lsol
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby SeaGypsy » Tue 13 Nov 2012, 12:45:26

I finished work at midnight and start again at 4.00am.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Heineken » Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:19:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'G')ood to see the ol' bottle cap again.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')hen you're old you discover you have to conserve what was once but is no longer infinite energy.

Also time. Many people in their youth have a crisis upon realizing they only have a finite amount. They generally "get over it" for a few decades.


Keith, you're so right. Time seems to have sped up as I've gotten older (I'm 58 now). The days positively whiz by. A very distinct phenomenon for me---how about others? No matter how hard I try, I never get done each day anywhere near what I wanted to. When I was a kid or a teen or even a 20-something, a day seemed a very ample period. Now it's just a blip. This has become a serious problem!

Toward the end you accept that you'll never get it all done. Ultimately, that it doesn't matter whether it's all done, or even whether any of it's done. In the words of Shakespeare, "life's . . . a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Re: Whatever happened to...

Postby Heineken » Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:23:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'I')t's always great to hear from Heineken even if he brings a bit of bad news. Sorry to hear about your cancer and I hope you stay well. Also glad to hear you still have your parents and that you are married. You did the right thing by getting away from here a while.



Thanks, old friend SCF. But you know, I think I'm going to be away from here for more than a while. More like forever. I've lost the habit . . . the addiction . . . and I can't seem to get it back.
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