by Pops » Thu 28 Jul 2011, 16:38:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'H')istory teaches us the opposite.
I'd be interested to read that history, have you a link?
Feudalism is really more economic than social isn't it? Not much feudalism around after the advent of mercantilism and capitalism, in what, the 1500s? I'm pretty sure we aren't going back to feudalism any time soon.
Anarchy, whether it's Right or Left Libertarian are as dependent on luck and the state as everyone else, I think they know it and it scares 'em but they won't admit it. There have never been any libertarian states I don't think,
they are the product of liberalism's defeat of aristocracy and enabled by today's wealth.
The US has always been authoritarian though, you are right about that. Strange mixture with our liberal beginnings but I guess the colonists wanted out from under the government/church thumb so they could be the one wielding the thumb.
Anyway, I'm thinking about liberalism sans welfare, not the Roman slave holding militaristic plutocratic version (although that sounds like something conservatives
would go for

) or the FDR, JFK welfare-state type, more the kind of Locke and the revolutionaries of the 17th and 18th century with their focus on civil and religious liberty, property rights...
from Wiki:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hrough all these strands and traditions, scholars have identified the following major common facets of liberal thought: believing in equality and individual liberty, supporting private property and individual rights, supporting the idea of limited constitutional government, and recognizing the importance of related values such as pluralism, toleration, autonomy, and consent.
...
The early waves of liberalism popularized economic individualism while expanding constitutional government and parliamentary authority.[123] One of the greatest liberal triumphs involved replacing the capricious nature of royalist and absolutist rule with a decision-making process encoded in written law.[123] Liberals sought and established a constitutional order that prized important individual freedoms, such as the freedom of speech and of association, an independent judiciary and public trial by jury, and the abolition of aristocratic privileges.[123]
These sweeping changes in political authority marked the modern transition from absolutism to constitutional rule.[123] The expansion and promotion of free markets was another major liberal achievement. Before they could establish markets, however, liberals had to destroy the old economic structures of the world. In that vein, liberals ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies, and various other restraints on economic activities.[123] They also sought to abolish internal barriers to trade—eliminating guilds, local tariffs, and prohibitions on the sale of land along the way.[123]