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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 19:51:23

Pops,

Would it be possible to split out the Bundy discussion into a thread of its own. I think it deserves it. Then people can hash this and Rby Ridge and the like to their hearts content. It has little to do with the TPTB discussion.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Lore » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 20:06:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'P')ops,

Would it be possible to split out the Bundy discussion into a thread of its own. I think it deserves it. Then people can hash this and Rby Ridge and the like to their hearts content. It has little to do with the TPTB discussion.


Do these mooching clods from Texas really deserve a thread?

I would point out that TPTB let these yokels go without paying up and this is what they get for it. Old man Bundy still owes us a cool mil.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 20:21:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ')But there is another point....let's say, for sake of argument, that you can prove that he was lying and not confused or delusional. You have not established WHY he was lying. It could be for a number of reasons one of which is simply to pass a good story to make himself seem netter than he was. I'd say that if so he was pretty successful.


Some tinfoil conspirators have claimed he wasn't lying and he wasn't delusional--he just let the cat out of the bag. He did watch the first plane hit on TV in his limo on the way to the school. They knew the attack was coming and set up a live feed to this limo.

Preposterous? Sure, but not any more preposterous that he would claim what he did. Maybe today, in his senility he would say such nonsense, but less than two months after 911? Confused? Delusional? People don't make shit up out of whole cloth like that. Especially this line:

“I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower—the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident."

Even if he was confused about whether he had been watching plane one or plane two on TV, he knew it wasn't an accident, as Andrew Card told him we were under attack in the classroom on live TV, not before.

A head scratcher for sure.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 21:02:04

I wonder if he was confused by the footage of the plane going into the Pentagon ?
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 21:34:29

I still think the simplest explanation is he was just spinning a yarn to make himself look good.

But I can't prove that either. Just my personal bias.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 23:49:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') still think the simplest explanation is he was just spinning a yarn to make himself look good.


Less than two months later? He was taken to task about it by fact checkers at the time. Just hand waved them off. Then a year later doubled down? Didn't work the first time so try again? See pstarr's sig.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 23:50:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'I') wonder if he was confused by the footage of the plane going into the Pentagon ?


So he says: “I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower—the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident."

Sure. That crash happened 34 minutes later.

9:06: Andrew Card, White House Chief of Staff whispers to Bush that “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.”

9:40am: Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 23:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') still think the simplest explanation is he was just spinning a yarn to make himself look good.


Less than two months later? He was taken to task about it by fact checkers at the time. Just hand waved them off. Then a year later doubled down?

9:03am: Flight 175 crashes into the South Tower. Bush's Secret Service agents watched the second crash live on television in an adjacent room to the classroom.

“Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida ... and my Chief of Staff —well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane...”


Didn't work the first time so try again? See pstarr's sig.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 00:00:34

I need to employ a sarcasm emoticon ... ;s

I wonder if they ever will release the petrol station security footage from outside the pentagon.
So everyone who sees the official footage and think its a cruise missile and not a passenger plane can have their suspicions quelled or confirmed.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 09:06:40

Yeah Monte, he got re-elected didn't he? It seems it didn't destroy his credibility.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 09:26:33

Do you, anyone reading, believe in an "intercessional being"? A being, or power, that mucks with the affairs of humans, if not a supreme being at least with uncommon powers, supernatural.

For believers God is an intercessional being, he intercedes in the affairs of mankind. My Wife swears she is not an atheist but an agnostic. But I call her a "functional atheist" because she does not believe that God intercedes in human affairs. So, functionally, she acts and behaves as an atheist.

By the same logic the Devil is an intercessional being.

How is this different than ascribing actions to TPTB? Are we not just inventing a modern day dirty? A non-descript source of evil and mischief? Is this so far fetched? Haven't some among us elevated Jobs and Musk to near God like status? If a god why not a devil?
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 09:51:31

The supernatural exists in at least as much as it takes to 'breath life into dust', & in dimensional reality known to exist in reality but beyond or outside normal perception. Archetype development theory is very interesting in searching for the origins of supernatural theory & on a personal level experiencing different positions of being outside of the primarily ego identified self. The concept of super personalities is probably as old as humanity. Their power seems to come from 'plugging in' to certain archetypes & acting them out, almost scripted, but the genius are able to work outside & beyond the script while remaining true to the archetype. When this happens it is way beyond 'alpha male' monkey games & is right at the edge of human developmental experience, which is itself a grasp for divinity (good or bad).

Interventionist- not in the lowly matters of counting microbes like us, no. But important to the development of self & situational awareness- hell yes.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Pops » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 12:52:16

I think that is right Newf.

Doesn't change the fact that the in crowd wants to stay in, merely lets us off the hook for not doing anything about it.

Better to pretend 9/11 was an evil plot than take on our share of the blame for everything before and after.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 14:11:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'B')ut I believe in the cabal, I have seen it up close and personal.


I always say, if you aren't in the cabal - you better find one to join pronto !
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 19:24:22

Socipaths are going to sociopath
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jan 2016, 23:57:29

Clique and klak?

Didin't one of them pass on?
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 07 Jan 2016, 00:12:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t's kind of a clique. Very high-schoolish and way fun.

Especially the bit about threatening to kill whole families of your own members should they switch teams. Having to do it from time to time is beyond what I learned in high school. Getting rich peoples kids to do porno can be fun & profitable, some business models have stood the test of time. Sending mules to the gallows over & over again probably gets a bit depressing for non psychopaths. I guess we all have to work out our own strategies.
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